How to Keep Weight After Dbol Cycle?

You could try snowmobiling in Wyoming. Some of Wyoming is considered the best snowmobiling country around. You could also go to Yellowstone National Park and take a snow coach into the park or a guided snowmobile trip.

Yes. I’m in awe of how often I read statements that seem to not grasp this concept.

Practical programming for strength training is a really nice book about the phenomenon and it’s implications.

I had a discussion on here a few weeks ago where i argued this point but it didn’t seem to get through.

Are you familiar with the concept of muscle migration?

It basically says there’s x amount of muscle a certain body or human can hold. This amount does is constant. If you are at this amount (genetic potential), the only thing you can do is distribute muscle differently. For example I have tree trunk legs but a small back. If I were at my genetic potential I could detrain legs and focus on my back. End the end I’ll be the same weight and BF but with a more aesthetic look.

I think AAS could accelerate that process. So I don’t think that AAS cycles are completely invaluable for a near genetic potential individual. But I agree that if you are at your genetic potential and your looks are aesthetically pleasing there’s no reason to cycle anymore except for competitions.

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Yeah, I think CT is a proponent of the idea. I think it is somewhat true. I don’t think one could transfer 2" off of their 28" quads to their biceps (which would end up being 4" on the arms) for example.

I’ve read a good amount of that book. There is good info in it. I think Rip is a bit too dogmatic for my liking (also has some bigoted ideas IMO, perhaps he is joking around, but it is a bit cringeworthy). I also think his variations of programs are a bit to similar. I would find working with his templates too boring.

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I read one of his articles awhile back that discussed this exact theory.

Damn. I would gladly do so. I also have tree trunk legs and smallish arms.

That’s not what the concept says. It’s more like you lose 2ā€ off your quads and gain it in your shoulders, chest, arms. Or neck, back, arms. It’s a subtle change in looks with only low amounts of mass changing place.

He is dogmatic but I think he is the counterpart to all the bullshit that goes around in the industry. He’s not nuanced but he doesn’t overcomplicate. I think he’s wrong on some things but in the grand scheme of things he’s such a win for the training world that I don’t think it matters that much.

I figured so much. I only believe it somewhat still though. I think for example the total lean mass a person holds goes up when they train lower body hard. I think for me, I weigh 5-10 lbs more training legs than if I neglected them. I wouldn’t just have the mass in the back, traps, shoulders and arms (even if I spent the extra time training those parts). Maybe I am wrong though?

From what I read and also if we compare animals and people etc… , myostatin is likely culprint behind maximal skeletal muscle and how body downregulates not to be too big. Certainly AAS can shift the ration and creatine somewhat inhibits bits of myostatin but if someone has a mutation of genes regulates myostatin and function is screwed then muscle freaks happen… , but basically with specific training we can probably shift some of the natural ratio in certain bodyparts to a degree… , still genes determine most of this and how body utilizes resources and adapts. Like whole body is 100 and arms could be(5-15) etc etc… diminishing returns if we are closer to a peak. So probalby how body regulates(I am mostly guessing) but this seems to be the case. This is also one of the reasons creatine is one of the supplements that actually work and why it helps build muscle besides more energy body can store produce and slight water retention.

Loads of opinions here, sone of the loudest have very little knowledge about drugs,

Im fairly new to steroids so gather a lot of advice here. However on most other drugs I’m fairly well educated.

Some of whats being sprouted here about psychedelics has zero basis in fact, it’s regurgitated government propaganda from the 60s

The gold standard is the drug harm scale by professor david nutt.

Which comments are you referring to?

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Hey @T3hPwnisher

So my state has gone into lockdown (again…), Gyms will probably be shut down for 2-3 weeks or so.

I’m wondering as to how I can maintain strength on the big lifts without being able to lift heavy (heavy is relative)

I have access to a barbell (standard, not Olympic), dumbells etc with adjustable plates. To squat without a rack I have to resort to cleaning the barbell, pushing it over my head and resting it on my shoulders.

I can’t fix enough weight to the barbell to deadlift or squat properly (can’t get 100kg over my head lol). For bench I can affix around 100kg to the bar, so I should be fine with that.

Can one maintain strength on the big lifts via high rep lifting with lighter weights? Or by using deadlift variations (Romanian deadlift, snatch grip deadlift etc high reps with as much weight as I can fix to the bar)?

This sounds like Montana/Wyoming/Idaho. If you’re in any of those three then you hit the lottery, because that’s about the most beautiful region of the US as best I can tell. I don’t think I’ve ever been more taken by the vastness of nature than I was in Wyoming. If I didn’t have family where I am now I would 100% move there, work remotely, and just hike every damn day.

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2-3 weeks? We are at the 3 month mark again!

Don’t worry you won’t lose anything in 3 weeks besides your CNS efficiency. Will all come back in a month.

In April of last year I bought 2 A-formed trestles for around 45 bucks. I squatted with them for months. They were a tad bit too small for me but you are not as tall as me, so it may work even better for you.

Let’s not talk about height. I’m constantly reminded with the fact my TWIN brother is almost six foot…

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We had twelve cases over the past… week I think? As Australia has largely managed to eliminate community based transmission we have been taking extensive precautions to avoid a third wave. Our approach is by/large unsustainable and small businesses have taken a massive hit. If I recall correctly around 50% of gyms closed during our last half year long lockdown.

Current short lockdown is stage 4. No leaving home, curfew in place, no travel beyond 5km, only allowed to exercise outside for 2hrs/day max etc. Police/drones etc enforce this, MASSIVE fines for those caught breaching even the most mundane of restrictions; though as I’m somewhat rural we don’t see many police/drones about.

Thankfully I have a job, no matter how long this goes on for at least I’ll have my work to keep me busy. The same can’t be said for many who are now either stuck at home and/or have to work from home

Actually HPPD, acute psychosis are well documented consequences following the ingestion of psychedelics. VERY occasional near fatal reactions (i.e serotonin syndrome) have been documented from individuals ingesting serotonergic psychedelics (psilocybin/LSD/mescaline etc). 5ht2b mediated valvular toxicity is an unknown variable following chronic use of psychedelics, though use tends to be highly acute as opposed to frequent use; though the new ā€œmicrodosingā€ schtick concerns me for this very reason.

Acute psychosis can be reliably brought on by taking psychedelics. Take practically any dose of LSD high enough to induce a classical ā€œtripā€ as a novice and walk around a public place… Done… Without divulging details I have a friend who took LSD a few months ago and had a psychotic break, took him months to back to normal.

I’ve seen David Nutt’s drug harm scale. There are quite a few models regarding harm mediated from various intoxicants. I believe this is David Nutt’s scale (and I tend to more/less agree with this with a few caveats)

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That being said, anabolic steroids are deceptively low on this list. ā€œdrug harm assessmentsā€ factor in societal harm, harm to the individual and penchant for inducing dependence. Anabolic steroids factor in low down on the list regarding societal harm/dependence, but can be tremendously harmful to the individual abusing (depending on compound/dose). Harm associated can be akin to or potentially greater than the abuse of many hard drugs

This particular scale isn’t backed by any particular resource that I could find (the lancet source covers a different scale) Though this relates. to what I was talking about, look at the ā€œchronic harmā€ entailed via AAS vs other colloquially ā€œmore dangerousā€ substances.

I’d argue the case to be similar for psychedelics. The novice user, particular one who likes to be grounded within reality or have significant control over his/her demeanour and surroundings will be taken for a serious spin if they decide to take LSD/whatever. Most have no idea what taking such a powerful mind altering substance truly entails. The harm to the individual (in this case mental health) incurred via taking psychedelics has the potential to be very significant. That being said I can’t see a cause to justify keeping them illegal. Therapeutic value is present for PTSD/psychotherapy related applications and long term complications associated with use are very rare.

What’s more, as a byproduct of an illicit market being present (for anything, including AAS) uncertainty is abound, it’s difficult to REALLY know what you’re getting. Something relatively harmless might turn out to be almost lethal (LSD vs NBOME, Primo vs Tren, MDMA vs PMMA etc)

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Hey man, appreciate you reaching out to me, but you shouldn’t lose strength from 2-3 weeks off. Most you will lose is proficiency. Any sort of resistance training will do the trick.

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Dude what a rip! My lil bro has 4ā€ on me and it pisses me off every family photo.

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I have around 30lbs on him though. People generally don’t believe we are twins.

He’s pale, I’m olive (Fitzpatrick IV), he’s tall, I’m short, he’s thin, I’m stocky etc.

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Once we were adults people always thought he was the older brother until started TRT. He’s bigger and husky built were I am more athletic built. I was always baby faced and estrogen prone looking until TRT which was like a second puberty for me. People are amazed how different I look now.

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