Extra virgin means nothing in relation coconut oil, it’s just a means of taking more money from your wallet. I would suggest organic.[/quote]
Can I ask how you know this? I saw two jars of the stuff, one ‘extra virgin’ and the other simply ‘organic’ and they had different recommended cooking temperatures.
I believe the extra virgin was unrefined whereas the other stuff was, the refined stuff being recommended for higher temperature cooking.
There was only $1 difference in favor of the extra virgin, I believe.
Well i should have mentioned it was organic EV coconut oil that i bought. I read up a lot on the topic of coconut oil as a way of stimulating metabolism and all the sources i came across said to use organic extra virgin
coconut oil. NOT the oil from second or third pressings(i.e. Virgin coconut oil and so on).
But for me its quite expensive to be taking the relatively large doses that are suggested to elicit a good result.
[quote]Shire wrote:
Well i should have mentioned it was organic EV coconut oil that i bought. I read up a lot on the topic of coconut oil as a way of stimulating metabolism and all the sources i came across said to use organic extra virgin
coconut oil. NOT the oil from second or third pressings(i.e. Virgin coconut oil and so on).
But for me its quite expensive to be taking the relatively large doses that are suggested to elicit a good result.
PonceDeLeon i guess its cheaper in California? [/quote]
I bought 14 oz of extra virgin, unrefined stuff for $7. How much is it for you?
FYI: You can find it much cheaper online…much, much cheaper, but it is not extra virgin. I’m being told the requirement of ‘extra virgin’ is nothing more than to take your money…if so, find one that is not extra virgin, and find it online.
Ok, this is the stuff that I use. It is food grade and it cost $15/gallon! Ray Peat recommends 76 degree Coconut oil: http://tinyurl.com/56gkhf
If you search on the same website, you can also find Extra Virgin and Organic stuff that costs cheaper than what you are paying for those small jars of coconut oil.
Don’t be put off that the seller sells this stuff for soap making. It is food grade coconut oil.
Anyway, I’ve been using this stuff and can honestly say coconut oil is one of the few “supplements” that I have taken where I feel/see the difference. Experiment with it and see what you think. I don’t have the background to argue theory about this stuff. I just notice whether stuff works or not for me. Coconut oil is a keeper in my book.
Non virgin coconut oil is basically produced from copra. Copra is dried coconut meat. It can achieved through a variety of ways. Some ways to extract coconut oil from copra includes smoke, sun, or kiln drying. Some manufacturers even use derivatives. The coconut oil produced in this way is not hygienic and not suitable for consumption. What they do then is to refine, bleach and deodorize it. High heat not only speeds up the process as mentioned above, but it also deodorizes the oil.
So, it seems like the deodorization process is specific to non-virgin coconut oil production, and hence the one listed here:
Says ‘deodorized.’ I will email Ray Peat asking him if that indicates that this oil is “non-virgin” and therefore derived from ‘copra,’ as the article above states.
If it is an issue, I guess the Extra-Virgin Coconut Oil (even though ‘extra virgin’ is supposedly a scam, I believe it is at least ‘virgin’ and therefore cold-pressed and not bleached or deodorized) sold on the same site you have posted sells for $32 per GALLON - much better deal than what I have found in stores.
I’m glad this has turned into a coconut oil thread.
I’m not going to “go chemical” its just reading that and doing a bit more research got me wondering that because I DO have shitty sleep habits, hell I was voted “most stressed” in my high school year book (no joke), I mean I sort of have a history that would certainly lead to fucked up cortisol, and yes I don’t have a full blood profile to confirm it but I guess my point was to see if there were ways for me to correct it without having to say “well kid you’re freaking out over nothing.” I think glycine, vitamin c and some deep breathing/yoga/whatever is a good start. If at the end all I am is healthier, than that’s good enough for me.
PonceDeLeon i got a 150ml tub for $30(equivalent converted from British Pounds). It was the EV organic stuff. I think i got scammed lol.
Entheogens like Ponce said is this stuff the common form found in grocery stores? If so i can buy that stuff dirt cheap over here.
Get back to me then i can try it too!
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS I only use Flax seed and EVOO right now and a little butter. But yea your right good fats are a great energy source(they really elevate my mood-when i’ve worked all day).
Extra virgin means nothing in relation coconut oil, it’s just a means of taking more money from your wallet. I would suggest organic.
Can I ask how you know this? I saw two jars of the stuff, one ‘extra virgin’ and the other simply ‘organic’ and they had different recommended cooking temperatures.
I believe the extra virgin was unrefined whereas the other stuff was, the refined stuff being recommended for higher temperature cooking.
There was only $1 difference in favor of the extra virgin, I believe.[/quote]
Extra virgin means it must be the 1st COLD pressing for olive oil.
In contrast to olive oil, coconut oil has no world or governing body to set a standard definition or set of guidelines to classify the oil as “virgin”.
Essentially different suppliers can both call their oil extra virgin and their oils could be sourced differently.
Your money so your choice.
For me it must be cold pressed and ideally organic.
[quote]Shire wrote:
PonceDeLeon i got a 150ml tub for $30(equivalent converted from British Pounds). It was the EV organic stuff. I think i got scammed lol.
Entheogens like Ponce said is this stuff the common form found in grocery stores? If so i can buy that stuff dirt cheap over here.
Get back to me then i can try it too!
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS I only use Flax seed and EVOO right now and a little butter. But yea your right good fats are a great energy source(they really elevate my mood-when i’ve worked all day).[/quote]
Yes, it is the common form. Are you referring to the solid form of oil that you bought?
And plateau:
I think even virgin coconut oils must be cold pressed and at least NOT from the dried ‘copra’ meat that the article I posted mentions, hence why I would prefer it. Plus, it must be cold processed which is what you would want.
As for how much more gentle processing takes place after the above, I’m not sure, but I don’t think it matters.
Looks like you should just buy what your budget allows for.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Shire wrote:
PonceDeLeon i got a 150ml tub for $30(equivalent converted from British Pounds). It was the EV organic stuff. I think i got scammed lol.
Entheogens like Ponce said is this stuff the common form found in grocery stores? If so i can buy that stuff dirt cheap over here.
Get back to me then i can try it too!
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS I only use Flax seed and EVOO right now and a little butter. But yea your right good fats are a great energy source(they really elevate my mood-when i’ve worked all day).
Yes, it is the common form. Are you referring to the solid form of oil that you bought?
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Yea that’s the form i’m referring to. Its solid at typical room temperature like 22C (but say if your in a hot climate e.g. 30C it will be semi-solid if not liquid).
Ok so to clarify: the typical grocery brand coconut oil is the stuff we’re talking about?(i’m paranoid-my mum always said that this stuff is really fattening lol).
Yea that’s the form i’m referring to. Its solid at typical room temperature like 22C (but say if your in a hot climate e.g. 30C it will be semi-solid if not liquid).
Ok so to clarify: the typical grocery brand coconut oil is the stuff we’re talking about?(i’m paranoid-my mum always said that this stuff is really fattening lol).[/quote]
Yes. However, if you notice from the links posted, the site that sells 1 gallon of coconut oil does so for use in candle/soap making, but lists it as ‘food grade’ making it fine for consumption.
So, it seems like as a matter of labeling, the price of the stuff can vary drastically. This is akin to Propecia costing more than prostate medications that use the same active ingredient; once is considered a ‘vanity drug’ (Propecia) and hence is priced much, much higher.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Interesting Coconut Oil Info. I think I’ll try some. I like Sat Fats anyways in general.
V[/quote]
Haha that’s you, me and PonceDeLeon trying this stuff(well soon). I’m going to have to ask you guys 3-4 weeks from now if you have noticed anything(seriously).
Yea that’s the form i’m referring to. Its solid at typical room temperature like 22C (but say if your in a hot climate e.g. 30C it will be semi-solid if not liquid).
Ok so to clarify: the typical grocery brand coconut oil is the stuff we’re talking about?(i’m paranoid-my mum always said that this stuff is really fattening lol).
Yes. However, if you notice from the links posted, the site that sells 1 gallon of coconut oil does so for use in candle/soap making, but lists it as ‘food grade’ making it fine for consumption.
So, it seems like as a matter of labeling, the price of the stuff can vary drastically. This is akin to Propecia costing more than prostate medications that use the same active ingredient; once is considered a ‘vanity drug’ (Propecia) and hence is priced much, much higher.[/quote]
Thanks.
I’m not that familiar with prostate drugs though lol.
Ponce, no, the Coconut oil is hard, as is all Coconut oil at room temperature.
Yeah, man you gotta be careful about labeling and marketing.
For example, I am finding that a lot of cheese that is labeled “Raw Cheese” is not really raw. In order for a cheese to be raw and keep all of its beneficial enzymes, it should not be heated above 104 degrees Fahrenheit. Unfortunately, much of the “raw” cheese you find in places like Whole Food is being heated above 105 degrees, usually 130 degrees Fahrenheit.
To get raw cheese check with local farmers…ask what they are heating it to. You can definitely get real Raw Cheese from this company, Organic Pastures, but make sure that you order a LOT (the also have raw milk, raw cream, raw colostrum, raw kefir, raw butter) because the shipping is rather expensive.
Provided you order a lot to offset shipping, you can actually save money, because their online prices are cheaper than what you get in the store. Also order fresh, instead of frozen. Raw dairy actually holds up better than pasteurized products, contrary to popular belief. Here’s their link:
I had friends from France visit who told use the reason why a lot of cheese overseas tastes better is because it is sold raw and unpasteurized.
A wine merchant here told us that all cheeses if they are meant to be around for at least 60 days (I think this was the condition) are to be pasteurized by law.
I forget the exact rule.
I have been many places abroad and raw dairy always tastes better.
