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I’m not surprised YOU did.
[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:
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[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:
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[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Ironfreak wrote:
Most people dont want to do this. [/quote]
Not just that, “most people” have real jobs where eating every 3 hours or whatever is not always an option even if you prepare ahead of time. That happens to me all of the time. It doesn’t matter how great the diet I prepared was if I don’t get to eat all day because I am in the clinic.
The person avoiding getting the cals in to make sure they eat “perfect” at all times may not grow as much.[/quote]
What do you mean by this? If you couldn’t eat a lot all day, couldn’t you just eat all that’s required to grow later? And still be eating ‘perfect’, it fitting your macros and such?
What does eating every 3 hours have to do with it? No sarcasm, genuinely asking.
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You’ve reached the heart of the meal frequency debate.
Today, many say it doesn’t matter, as long as your daily macros meets your needs.
However, old school guys bring up things like nitrogen retention and the need for a steady stream of amino acids to prevent catabolism.
I’ve read all the arguments and tried both ways, and in my opinion – and this is N=1, as they say – if trying to add mass you will get better results by eating more frequently.
Furthermore, if trying to lose fat, I would still sip on something like MAG-10 if during fasting periods.
Ducks for cover[/quote]
Well, I get that. But do you really feel eating every 3 hours vs 2-3 bigger meals vs 1 giant meal, of at the end of the day is all the same macros/cals, is going to be THAT drastic when it comes to the results they produce?
I mean I personally feel protein digests better spacing it out a bit, timing carbs can help a bit with body comp, but that it’s more ‘icing on the cake’ (yum). But I mean, if schedule only allows one over the other, then it’s not a big deal.
Plus I think any benefit of fasting has more so to do with absence of carbs vs absence of food (just my opinion lol).
Regardless, I think meal frequency is probably one of the LEAST important aspects of bulking/gaining muscle probably. And idk how anyone who in one way claims something is nothing but ‘bro-science’ can then spout ‘eating every 3 hours’ as if it’s not the Holy Grail of bro-science lol
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For bulking, yes, I do believe frequent meals are better than 1 big meal, mainly due to more insulin secretion throughout the day.
Better than 2-3 meals? If they’re spaced relatively evenly apart, probably not much difference. [/quote]
Yeah, and I know personally it depends on the person. I know I eat 4-5 meals a day, but only put carbs in some because I personally feel having insulin elevated all day isn’t the best thing.
But I know people that have gotten results with all the strategies above, and the benefits/negatives of one in comparison to another I feel kind of make them all ‘even’, and you have to find what works for you.
Btw, appreciate you commenting on this thread as a contributor, and doing so in a civil way. [/quote]
Also, don’t forget that all food – even fats – raise insulin (to a degree). Some proteins are as insulinogenic as carbs!
(I save all my snark for the football forums.)
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That’s true. But I know the rise in insulin in fats (I believe) is pretty negligible, and with protein it’s I guess ‘better’? Don’t know the word, but a quote from an article on the subject. (I’m in no way versed in this stuff, so if I’m misunderstanding things let me know)
“Some people with a little learning may be quick to point out that protein drives insulin up as well. This is true, but with a catch. Protein drives both insulin and glucagon up, so you don?t have the pure insulin effect. Only carbs will give you that. With carbs, insulin goes up while glucagon goes down. With meat and other proteins, the effects of the elevated insulin are muted by the concomitant rise in glucagon. (Glucagon isn?t called insulin?s counter-regulatory hormone for nothing.)”
You can put the quote in Google to find the article, but don’t know if it’s allowed to be posted here.
I have done much better with 3-4 meals than 5-6 meals, gaining or losing.
I would guess it’s an insulin issue with me. I just feel better if I eat a little more in fewer meals than trying to get food in that I don’t want in 3 hours. That’s when I really feel like I’m force feeding. That’s just me, though. However, if I go too much more than 4 hours, I start to feel nasty, but that’s what mixed nuts and peanut butter is for.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
It was easy for me. I have a hot wife who loves to ride the Steely D, beautiful children, make great money, and have no need to impress women. [/quote]
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HAAA! That’s hilarious.
Seriously, though- would you believe that there are actually people who are content with their blessings, comfortable in their skin, and have some kind of confidence in themselves? Crazy shit, man. Crazy shit.
Truly, I appreciate everything in life. Some things have fallen in my lap, most I have worked hard for.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Up a few pounds and noticing more definition. I’m actually getting separation between my upper and lower chest. Pretty cool. Am I doin it right?[/quote]
Just saw this,looking good DD.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Ironfreak wrote:
Most people dont want to do this. [/quote]
Not just that, “most people” have real jobs where eating every 3 hours or whatever is not always an option even if you prepare ahead of time. That happens to me all of the time. It doesn’t matter how great the diet I prepared was if I don’t get to eat all day because I am in the clinic.
The person avoiding getting the cals in to make sure they eat “perfect” at all times may not grow as much.[/quote]
What the fuck are you even talking about? No one is saying to “eat perfect” they’re saying stay within your calorie allotment and macro ranges (doesn’t have to be exact numbers) and eat when your day permits. So what if you only get to eat 3 times? Hit your macros and cals with those meals. Just because you’re not eating chicken and rice every 3 hours doesn’t meant the other alternative is indiscrimitely stuffing your face[/quote]
Once again, the person who is working all day may have a much harder time trying to get all of that down in one or two meals if they eat the same types of foods.
No one wrote anything anywhere about “stuffing your face”.
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you act as the alternative to eating very often is just eating tons of junk without counting. My point was if someone bulkign is lacking on cals, nothing bad comes from eating a pizza or burger or whatever to meet your macro requirements
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
you act as the alternative to eating very often is just eating tons of junk without counting.[/quote]
I wasn’t aware I acted like that at all…because that isn’t what I have written or what I believe.
[quote] My point was if someone bulkign is lacking on cals, nothing bad comes from eating a pizza or burger or whatever to meet your macro requirements
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If I had written this, you would have written, “you act as the alternative to eating very often is just eating tons of junk without counting.”
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Up a few pounds and noticing more definition. I’m actually getting separation between my upper and lower chest. Pretty cool. Am I doin it right?[/quote]
Yes. Looking great.
What did you do? I didn’t see a training log on here.[/quote]
I’ve kept a couple of logs in the past. Not recently though. I started doing bodybuilding, lol.
I’m worried I’m not cut out for this.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Ironfreak wrote:
Most people dont want to do this. [/quote]
Not just that, “most people” have real jobs where eating every 3 hours or whatever is not always an option even if you prepare ahead of time. That happens to me all of the time. It doesn’t matter how great the diet I prepared was if I don’t get to eat all day because I am in the clinic.
The person avoiding getting the cals in to make sure they eat “perfect” at all times may not grow as much.[/quote]
What the fuck are you even talking about? No one is saying to “eat perfect” they’re saying stay within your calorie allotment and macro ranges (doesn’t have to be exact numbers) and eat when your day permits. So what if you only get to eat 3 times? Hit your macros and cals with those meals. Just because you’re not eating chicken and rice every 3 hours doesn’t meant the other alternative is indiscrimitely stuffing your face[/quote]
Once again, the person who is working all day may have a much harder time trying to get all of that down in one or two meals if they eat the same types of foods.
No one wrote anything anywhere about “stuffing your face”.
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I work 10 hour days at a busy job with an hour of commuting each way and nothing in the way of convenient food nearby my job site but somehow still manage to get down 4 or so meals that fit my calories and macros.
Professor X has time to make 10 posts/day at work, but not enough time to eat sensibly.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Ironfreak wrote:
Most people dont want to do this. [/quote]
Not just that, “most people” have real jobs where eating every 3 hours or whatever is not always an option even if you prepare ahead of time. That happens to me all of the time. It doesn’t matter how great the diet I prepared was if I don’t get to eat all day because I am in the clinic.
The person avoiding getting the cals in to make sure they eat “perfect” at all times may not grow as much.[/quote]
What the fuck are you even talking about? No one is saying to “eat perfect” they’re saying stay within your calorie allotment and macro ranges (doesn’t have to be exact numbers) and eat when your day permits. So what if you only get to eat 3 times? Hit your macros and cals with those meals. Just because you’re not eating chicken and rice every 3 hours doesn’t meant the other alternative is indiscrimitely stuffing your face[/quote]
Once again, the person who is working all day may have a much harder time trying to get all of that down in one or two meals if they eat the same types of foods.
No one wrote anything anywhere about “stuffing your face”.
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I work 10 hour days at a busy job with an hour of commuting each way and nothing in the way of convenient food nearby my job site but somehow still manage to get down 4 or so meals that fit my calories and macros.
Professor X has time to make 10 posts/day at work, but not enough time to eat sensibly.[/quote]
10 posts/day? I loled.
But seriously if done intelligently it can be easy to eat well and hit your macros even with a very busy life as stronghold points out
Even easier to hit just your total protein, caloric, and EFA amount.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Ironfreak wrote:
Most people dont want to do this. [/quote]
Not just that, “most people” have real jobs where eating every 3 hours or whatever is not always an option even if you prepare ahead of time. That happens to me all of the time. It doesn’t matter how great the diet I prepared was if I don’t get to eat all day because I am in the clinic.
The person avoiding getting the cals in to make sure they eat “perfect” at all times may not grow as much.[/quote]
What the fuck are you even talking about? No one is saying to “eat perfect” they’re saying stay within your calorie allotment and macro ranges (doesn’t have to be exact numbers) and eat when your day permits. So what if you only get to eat 3 times? Hit your macros and cals with those meals. Just because you’re not eating chicken and rice every 3 hours doesn’t meant the other alternative is indiscrimitely stuffing your face[/quote]
Once again, the person who is working all day may have a much harder time trying to get all of that down in one or two meals if they eat the same types of foods.
No one wrote anything anywhere about “stuffing your face”.
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I work 10 hour days at a busy job with an hour of commuting each way and nothing in the way of convenient food nearby my job site but somehow still manage to get down 4 or so meals that fit my calories and macros.
Professor X has time to make 10 posts/day at work, but not enough time to eat sensibly.[/quote]
10 posts/day? I loled.
But seriously if done intelligently it can be easy to eat well and hit your macros even with a very busy life as stronghold points out [/quote]
agreed
I don’t see why everything has to be compared at extremes always. You don’t need to eat 100% clean foods every 3 hours, but conversely, you won’t do well eating junk food + whey once a day. For me, macro counting goes along with the 80-20 rule
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Even easier to hit just your total protein, caloric, and EFA amount. [/quote]
This is exactly what I do. I love it. It’s especially awesome when my last meal of the day gets to be like 1000-1200 cals of whatever the fuck I want (besides a protein source of course)
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Ironfreak wrote:
Most people dont want to do this. [/quote]
Not just that, “most people” have real jobs where eating every 3 hours or whatever is not always an option even if you prepare ahead of time. That happens to me all of the time. It doesn’t matter how great the diet I prepared was if I don’t get to eat all day because I am in the clinic.
The person avoiding getting the cals in to make sure they eat “perfect” at all times may not grow as much.[/quote]
What the fuck are you even talking about? No one is saying to “eat perfect” they’re saying stay within your calorie allotment and macro ranges (doesn’t have to be exact numbers) and eat when your day permits. So what if you only get to eat 3 times? Hit your macros and cals with those meals. Just because you’re not eating chicken and rice every 3 hours doesn’t meant the other alternative is indiscrimitely stuffing your face[/quote]
Once again, the person who is working all day may have a much harder time trying to get all of that down in one or two meals if they eat the same types of foods.
No one wrote anything anywhere about “stuffing your face”.
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I work 10 hour days at a busy job with an hour of commuting each way and nothing in the way of convenient food nearby my job site but somehow still manage to get down 4 or so meals that fit my calories and macros.
Professor X has time to make 10 posts/day at work, but not enough time to eat sensibly.[/quote]
10 posts/day? I loled.
But seriously if done intelligently it can be easy to eat well and hit your macros even with a very busy life as stronghold points out [/quote]
agreed
I don’t see why everything has to be compared at extremes always. You don’t need to eat 100% clean foods every 3 hours, but conversely, you won’t do well eating junk food + whey once a day. For me, macro counting goes along with the 80-20 rule[/quote]
Also agree with this. Some people go full retard and eat a pizza and protein shakes and that’s it. I could never do that lol. I’m close to 80/20 also
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
I work 10 hour days at a busy job with an hour of commuting each way and nothing in the way of convenient food nearby my job site but somehow still manage to get down 4 or so meals that fit my calories and macros.
Professor X has time to make 10 posts/day at work, but not enough time to eat sensibly.[/quote]
Uh, good for you. Want a cookie?
I am betting some people would be a tad upset if during getting a tooth extracted their doc left them with their mouth open to grab a sammich.
I also doubt it took me more than 30 seconds to write this post while doing other things so maybe it takes you way longer than me to write 10 posts in a day.
I managed to cook most of my food and bring it with me for most of my career. I am also not so inwardly focused to avoid ackonwledging those legitimate times when getting a meal down was extremely difficult for several hours.
No one here mentioned extremes…except the peoople trying really hard to pick things to fuss about in my posts.
If I had told anyone to eat a hamburger or a pizza like “Mtagg” did, I am sure it would have been twisted into, “Prof x is telling everyone to stuff their face with junk”.
This shit is old. Find more important things to find fault with. You aren’t speaking to someone with less muscle or experience than you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
I work 10 hour days at a busy job with an hour of commuting each way and nothing in the way of convenient food nearby my job site but somehow still manage to get down 4 or so meals that fit my calories and macros.
Professor X has time to make 10 posts/day at work, but not enough time to eat sensibly.[/quote]
Uh, good for you. Want a cookie?
I am betting some people would be a tad upset if during getting a tooth extracted their doc left them with their mouth open to grab a sammich.
I also doubt it took me more than 30 seconds to write this post while doing other things so maybe it takes you way longer than me to write 10 posts in a day.
I managed to cook most of my food and bring it with me for most of my career. I am also not so inwardly focused to avoid ackonwledging those legitimate times when getting a meal down was extremely difficult for several hours.
No one here mentioned extremes…except the peoople trying really hard to pick things to fuss about in my posts.
If I had told anyone to eat a hamburger or a pizza like “Mtagg” did, I am sure it would have been twisted into, “Prof x is telling everyone to stuff their face with junk”.
This shit is old. Find more important things to find fault with. You aren’t speaking to someone with less muscle or experience than you.[/quote]
190 words in less than 30 seconds?
You can now add “worlds fastest typer” to your resume of doctor/dentist/geneticist/trainer/nutritionist/most muscular natural ever
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
190 words in less than 30 seconds?
You can now add “worlds fastest typer” to your resume of doctor/dentist/geneticist/trainer/nutritionist/most muscular natural ever [/quote]
I type abnormally fast. I have said that for years. It takes YOU a long time to type…not me.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
190 words in less than 30 seconds?
You can now add “worlds fastest typer” to your resume of doctor/dentist/geneticist/trainer/nutritionist/most muscular natural ever [/quote]
I type abnormally fast. I have said that for years. It takes YOU a long time to type…not me.[/quote]
Did you study that at a much higher level than college too?
I’m still confused why anyone is talking about meal frequency really. Like not being able to eat for even 12 hours a day, while making a bit more difficult, doesn’t change what that person needs to eat to be in a surplus or deficit. Like it shouldn’t effect the ‘leanness’ of the gains of one’s bulk, and is really irrelevant to the conversation I feel lol.
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
I’m still confused why anyone is talking about meal frequency really. Like not being able to eat for even 12 hours a day, while making a bit more difficult, doesn’t change what that person needs to eat to be in a surplus or deficit. Like it shouldn’t effect the ‘leanness’ of the gains of one’s bulk, and is really irrelevant to the conversation I feel lol.[/quote]
It may be irrelevant to you that someone would have to change up the foods they eat to meet the same caloric requirements.
I am not sure how that is “irrelevant” to everyone else.