[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I’m more of the group of people who associates voracious hunger with oncoming growth spurts. That doesn’t mean feed your face with Chinese, but maybe get some extra steak in there rather than corn chips. On some days, like today, I cooked 14 oz of steak for lunch. I had a bit left and really felt full. I still ate them. For the record, I am not “bulking” at this time.
That’s just me. I’m not presenting any of this post as “science”.[/quote]
That’s basically my approach too.
It’s “eat at a surplus relative to what I used to be eating”. And if I’m hungry, “eat even more”.
And then if the scale and mirror photos are going in the wrong direction… adjust that threshold a bit.
If there was a more exact way to do it, that would be awesome though.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I’m more of the group of people who associates voracious hunger with oncoming growth spurts. That doesn’t mean feed your face with Chinese, but maybe get some extra steak in there rather than corn chips. On some days, like today, I cooked 14 oz of steak for lunch. I had a bit left and really felt full. I still ate them. For the record, I am not “bulking” at this time.
That’s just me. I’m not presenting any of this post as “science”.[/quote]
That’s basically my approach too.
It’s “eat at a surplus relative to what I used to be eating”. And if I’m hungry, “eat even more”.
And then if the scale and mirror photos are going in the wrong direction… adjust that threshold a bit.
If there was a more exact way to do it, that would be awesome though.[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
…and that is all about trial and error with your own individual body.
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So why discredit someone saying they gain muscle faster in a lean state? Every time it’s written, you call for evidence. But your better pumps quote gets a pass.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
And then if the scale and mirror photos are going in the wrong direction… adjust that threshold a bit.
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Well, I scrolled up this page and I see my current avatar above bwilliams’ “Arnold” avatar in a similar pose and all I can think is how much more work needs to be done… FML
[quote]cueball wrote:
So why discredit someone saying they gain muscle faster in a lean state? Every time it’s written, you call for evidence. But your better pumps quote gets a pass.[/quote]
Actually, what was written is who here has gotten as big as the guys who have bulked up.
[quote]cueball wrote:
Wow, a smart person wouldn’t even include better pumps in a list of things indicating they are growing or are ready to grow.
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Gee, that makes no sense considering with steroid use the greater pumps are always noted as a side effect.
Now they mean nothing?
According to you or everyone else?[/quote]
X, you just went off the deep end with that one. The worst attempt to divert I’ve seen yet.
This is just sort of a general question, because I don’t really understand.
X, you’ve spent many pages arguing in the past about how your additional education in medicine gives you better insight into lifting than most.
At the same time, whenever I’ve asked for details, you’ve been very vague. For instance, you talk about this “growth signal” as a general term, but I know you have the education to discuss the specific biochemical signaling that occurs, and to speculate about what else might be going on too.
Why haven’t you delved into any details?
A lot of the questions I’ve asked you were specifically because I respected your education, and because I was looking for more than just a bro-science styled answer. If that’s what I wanted, I could have asked anyone else who’s moderately big.
So why discredit someone saying they gain muscle faster in a lean state? Every time it’s written, you call for evidence. But your better pumps quote gets a pass.
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Actually, what was written is who here has gotten as big as the guys who have bulked up.
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This has absolutely nothing to do with what you quoted. Again, a weak attempt to divert the topic to something totally different.
[quote]Myosin wrote:
LoRez, I like you style. The subject has still not realized what is happening. I tip my hat to you.[/quote]
I personally think he asks too many q’s (no offence). Just get in the gym and train your ass off, and eat however you think is best to reach your goals. Stop trying to over analyze everything…
So why discredit someone saying they gain muscle faster in a lean state? Every time it’s written, you call for evidence. But your better pumps quote gets a pass.
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Actually, what was written is who here has gotten as big as the guys who have bulked up.
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This has absolutely nothing to do with what you quoted. Again, a weak attempt to divert the topic to something totally different.
You’re not too good at this are you?[/quote]
You will never get a straight answer. Don’t hold your breath
So why discredit someone saying they gain muscle faster in a lean state? Every time it’s written, you call for evidence. But your better pumps quote gets a pass.
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Actually, what was written is who here has gotten as big as the guys who have bulked up.
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This has absolutely nothing to do with what you quoted. Again, a weak attempt to divert the topic to something totally different.
You’re not too good at this are you?[/quote]
You will never get a straight answer. Don’t hold your breath [/quote]
I’m fully aware. You can always tell when he doesn’t have a valid explanation for some crap he wrote when he resorts to these types of responses.
LoRez, what exactly are you expecting to get out of this thread from X? You’re clearly not going to get the answers you are looking for from him, why not give it a rest?
What I find hard to get my head round is the fact that as a natural, most people who get serious start looking into how to “optimise their hormonal environment” for muscle growth, and spend a literal fortune on supplements that may or may not have physiological effects.
Lets take a hypothetical.
A natural trainee finds a natural supplement which is anti catabolic in muscle tissue. He has an unlimited supply and can take it every day. He takes it religiously. There are some side effects.
Will he gain more muscle than another natural trainee who doesn’t take the supplement? Lets say they are identical twins, eat the same number of calories and protein and train exactly the same.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
What I find hard to get my head round is the fact that as a natural, most people who get serious start looking into how to “optimise their hormonal environment” for muscle growth, and spend a literal fortune on supplements that may or may not have physiological effects.
Lets take a hypothetical.
A natural trainee finds a natural supplement which is anti catabolic in muscle tissue. He has an unlimited supply and can take it every day. He takes it religiously. There are some side effects.
Will he gain more muscle than another natural trainee who doesn’t take the supplement? Lets say they are identical twins, eat the same number of calories and protein and train exactly the same.
Brick I’d like your answer to this particularly.[/quote]
Get it guys? Food is anti-catabolic, thus, as a natural the answer is clearly just eat more food, and bam your hormonal environment is improved. Insulin resistance, total and free test, estrogen, cholesterol(aka, the side effects) are all controllable, so just eat more food.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
What I find hard to get my head round is the fact that as a natural, most people who get serious start looking into how to “optimise their hormonal environment” for muscle growth, and spend a literal fortune on supplements that may or may not have physiological effects.
Lets take a hypothetical.
A natural trainee finds a natural supplement which is anti catabolic in muscle tissue. He has an unlimited supply and can take it every day. He takes it religiously. There are some side effects.
Will he gain more muscle than another natural trainee who doesn’t take the supplement? Lets say they are identical twins, eat the same number of calories and protein and train exactly the same.
Brick I’d like your answer to this particularly.[/quote]
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Lets take a hypothetical.
A natural trainee finds a natural supplement which is anti catabolic in muscle tissue. He has an unlimited supply and can take it every day. He takes it religiously. There are some side effects.
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Let’s not beat around the bush here.
You’re referring to dessicated unicorn testicles, aren’t you?