[quote]bwilliamsr89 wrote:
Scale not moving on bulk, buffet time. Scale not moving on lean bulk, add 300 calories daily.
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Wow.
Who wrote that?[/quote]
Gross generalization about “bulking”.[/quote]
But you seem to hate “gross generalizations” about what you are doing.
Bulking isn’t and has never been about eating whatever whenever. Your statement implies that this isn’t the case.
Let’s refrain from the misstatements.
What is a “permabulker” and why do you use this term? I drop weight when necessary…so who is fitting this bill as a “permanent bulker who never diets”?
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
If I’m following a strict “macro based diet” that my coach prescribed (based on the best available methods/calculations for my body size and composition) because I want to grow quickly, and I’m not hungry enough everyday to eat the meals, do I just not eat them?[/quote]
Why wouldn’t you? I find it hard to believe that all the people that got big were hungry all the time. Personally I’m never hungry (then again i’m still a skinny bitch so probably not a good example, lol).[/quote]
This was written:
[quote]bwilliamsr89 wrote:
Maybe in your pursuit to be the biggest guy in the room at all costs, you are simply talking of it as a concept? Always be in a surplus, and when your body is ready to grow, it will be able to? Seeing as the body doesn’t grow linearly, its safe to say you will always be laying down fat to some extent, and not always muscle.
And I think this is the main argument from the lean(er) bulk crowd. Keep a closer watch on your calories because it is easier to build fat than muscle. Force feeding is likely to result in more fat, not necessarily more muscle. But obviously what you did worked for you. [/quote]
I wouldn’t want to eat (ie. force feed myself) if I’m not hungry else I am likely to just gain fat.
Do I understand this line of reasoning correctly?
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I’m tempted to suggest starting a thread on this but you know what would happen, lol. I think we’re all different. If i eat only when hungry, I’d be 130lbs, been there done that. Being big is not something your body wants or needs as its simply not efficient (if it was, gaining muscle would be easy)…so to me it seems natural that to get to this point, force feeding to some degree is a necessity (if you built your body in your avatar without force feeding, consider yourself lucky you had an appetite that supports what you’re trying to accomplish, this to me is good genetics). Not sure if I addressed your concern or not, lol.
For instance, I don’t understand the seeming contradiction between:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]TheDon12 wrote:
so you go light on most days and focus on a pump, no failure? i hate training like that makes me feel like im hardly doing anything. [/quote]
Fuck the pump.
I go for form and really feeling that muscle work. I also often do a hold at the peak contraction on those days.[/quote]
and
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Yeah, but what hints do you get that it is ready?[/quote]
better pumps[/quote]
In the first quote, it seems like you don’t value the pump as being useful for, well, anything.
In the second quote, it seems like you value the pump as a clear signal that the body is growing.
[quote]cueball wrote:
I would be nice to know how he can claim such things without real evidence that they mean what he thinks they mean, but refuses to accept any anecdotal evidence he disagrees with from others without medical studies.
No studies to prove BW set point theory, yet speaks about it as truth.[/quote]
Once again, you would do better if you quoted what I actually wrote.
You fail when you misinterpret.
Real evidence of my body being ready to grow…is me growing muscle.
You wouldn’t need a study for that.[/quote]
Geez, your posts might as well be from a template.
What was actually written, since you say that’s what I should do-
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Yeah, but what hints do you get that it is ready?[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
better pumps[/quote]
Please provide real evidence that better pumps mean you are growing or are ready to grow.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Do you really want me to search for quotes? I’ve seen several one line responses from you (and others) to people who stalled, that boil down to nothing more than “you’ve gotta eat more”.
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…and without the CONTEXT those statements were made in, you can misrepresent what anyone says.
Once again, if your strength stops, it isn’t always your food intake that needs attention.
I just told you this…so why keep acting like I am saying otherwise?
[quote]LoRez wrote:
In the first quote, it seems like you don’t value the pump as being useful for, well, anything.[/quote]
I am not a newb. To me personally, a pump means I worked the muscle…because I get a pump no matter what. I have never worked out and NOT gotten a pump…so IN THE CONTEXT OF THAT POST if I am training biceps everyday, a pump is not what I focus on.
THAT IS WHY CONTEXT IS IMPORTANT AND WHY YOU TAKING ONE STATEMENT OUT OF CONTEXT WILL MISLEAD YOU.
Get it now?
In the context of growing…I can tell when I have MORE of a pump like when reloading carbs after a deficit.
In the first quote, it seems like you don’t value the pump as being useful for, well, anything.[/quote]
I am not a newb. To me personally, a pump means I worked the muscle…because I get a pump no matter what. I have never worked out and NOT gotten a pump…so IN THE CONTEXT OF THAT POST if I am training biceps everyday, a pump is not what I focus on.
THAT IS WHY CONTEXT IS IMPORTANT AND WHY YOU TAKING ONE STATEMENT OUT OF CONTEXT WILL MISLEAD YOU.
Get it now?
In the context of growing…I can tell when I have MORE of a pump like when reloading carbs after a deficit.
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If you were more verbose and maintained existing contextual continuity with your writing, you might be misinterpreted less.
“Fuck the pump” provides no context. I’m reading what you wrote, not what you mean. If you actually wrote what you mean, it might be better understood.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
If you were more verbose and maintained contextual continuity with your writing, you might be misinterpreted less.[/quote]
No, if I wasn’t personally being fought with by 5-10 people at one time you would be able to follow my posts better.
Simply out, you took one post referring to training biceps everyday…and flipped that to apply to bulking up…which makes no sense…and is why context is more important than trying to throw words back at me.
The CONVERSATION ABOUT TRAINING BICEPS EVERYDAY PROVIDES CONTEXT.
I did…you obviously can’t follow a discussion about training biceps everyday…because that is why I said “fuck the pump”.
After writing that three times…why would you still be arguing?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
After writing that three times…why would you still be arguing?[/quote]
… what are you talking about? I’m not arguing about anything.
EDIT: what are you arguing about?[/quote]
Uh…you are the one writing that I am saying “fuck the pump” in general…when I have written several times now that the context of that post needs to be considered.
I don’t want to jump into the middle of fighting dogs, but I read those posts as:
“Fuck the pump” meaning that PX doesn’t train for the pump per se (ie. do everything to get a pump for the sake of getting the pump). So, that was more in the context of training for a specific goal of a pump
(Paraphrasing) “Pump as an indicator of growth or ready to grow” meaning that while training, he noticed that he got a pump and somehow through his experience (or conjecture) associates noticing those pumps with growth periods.
I don’t know. My own experience never associated growth with pumps, but I wouldn’t dismiss it that out of 38578035703957 people who train, some may associate pumps with growth.
Personally, I don’t do “pump training” as a goal, but some days I get faaaaabulous pumps, and some days I don’t.
I’m more of the group of people who associates voracious hunger with oncoming growth spurts. That doesn’t mean feed your face with Chinese, but maybe get some extra steak in there rather than corn chips. On some days, like today, I cooked 14 oz of steak for lunch. I had a bit left and really felt full. I still ate them. For the record, I am not “bulking” at this time.
That’s just me. I’m not presenting any of this post as “science”.
I don’t want to jump into the middle of fighting dogs, but I read those posts as:
“Fuck the pump” meaning that PX doesn’t train for the pump per se (ie. do everything to get a pump for the sake of getting the pump). So, that was more in the context of training for a specific goal of a pump
(Paraphrasing) “Pump as an indicator of growth or ready to grow” meaning that while training, he noticed that he got a pump and somehow through his experience (or conjecture) associates noticing those pumps with growth periods.
I don’t know. My own experience never associated growth with pumps, but I wouldn’t dismiss it that out of 38578035703957 people who train, some may associate pumps with growth.
Personally, I don’t do “pump training” as a goal, but some days I get faaaaabulous pumps, and some days I don’t.
I’m more of the group of people who associates voracious hunger with oncoming growth spurts. That doesn’t mean feed your face with Chinese, but maybe get some extra steak in there rather than corn chips. On some days, like today, I cooked 14 oz of steak for lunch. I had a bit left and really felt full. I still ate them. For the record, I am not “bulking” at this time.
That’s just me. I’m not presenting any of this post as “science”.[/quote]
…and that is all about trial and error with your own individual body.
That is also why ignoring the genetics of the individual to write up a common template for all people may also hold some back.
For me, better growth periods involved a noticeable greater pump, strength increases and a general feeling of well being.
That is for me. No one has written that all people notice the exact same signals of a growth response…but they are likely similarities.
[quote]cueball wrote:
Wow, a smart person wouldn’t even include better pumps in a list of things indicating they are growing or are ready to grow.
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Gee, that makes no sense considering with steroid use the greater pumps are always noted as a side effect.