wow, terrible news man.
I think this video pertains to this thread.
Its a tad bit long but it is well worth it.
It goes to show you cant just fuck with anyone at any given time (just because you feel like being a badass) even if they are a yuppie.
"You got a gun you don’t have to work out.
I ain’t workin’ out. I ain’t joggin’.
You got pecs, I got Techs"
- Chris Rock
yeah i don’t know how real that is lol…but that situation could definately happen. That’s one reason you never fuck with ANYONE lol. Unless someone is comin at you like those rednecks did, then you can take action. other than that, better to leave everyone alone lol.
the 2nd quote by chris rock is awesome btw lol
Amen lol
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
it’s not like there isn’t crime in nicer neighborhoods… if anything, I’ve seen a good portion of criminals will intentionally go to nicer neighborhoods because there’s more shit to grab. So if you think by living in a suburb, you’re impervious to robbery (of your house or your person), I think you’re deluding yourself.
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What movie did you see that in?
I can’t lurk here any more. This has been a good thread and there is a lot of good advice (not the ridiculous posturing you sometimes get with the internet). Being observant and even a little on the jumpy side has served me better than the many years of martial arts classes and club fighting.
As for staying off the ground, I think that is great advice. The only really bad beating I ever suffered was when some redneck punk caught me unawares and I ended up on the ground due to slick-soled dress shoes.
As for luck, I know that has played a dominant role as I have have had several attempted muggings over the last twenty years. I am fairly large and fit but I think being clean-cut and well dressed will draw criminals to you. I think I am fortunate and don’t freeze up like some people do and my instinct is usually to become aggressive.
Its good to remember that anyone who attacks you does so assuming he will win.
Just my two cents…
When you are attacked, the other party has already committed to some level of violence. It will take you some time, as the “victim” to escalate to his level. Whether this takes a second or a minute has much to do with training, previous experience, and probably some instinct.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Just picked up two books that everyone who is interested in this subject should read.
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Meditations on Violence by Sgt. Rory Miller. I’m getting through it now- very easy read, but he makes a whole of points that illustrate some of the things I believe far, far better than I could.
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The Little Black Book of Violence by Lawrence Kane and others.
They go through many personal experiences in both books to show their points of how things really work, and how much different it is from what you see in the movies or in the ring.
This is truly becoming one of those subjects where the more you think you know, the more you begin to realize that you’re just hitting the tip of the ice berg. Your MMA class, boxing experience, dojo classes, etc. are but a fraction of the knowledge.
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Ooh, I’ve been meaning to read Meditations on Violence for ages. Another good one is On Combat by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. And The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Just picked up two books that everyone who is interested in this subject should read.
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Meditations on Violence by Sgt. Rory Miller. I’m getting through it now- very easy read, but he makes a whole of points that illustrate some of the things I believe far, far better than I could.
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The Little Black Book of Violence by Lawrence Kane and others.
They go through many personal experiences in both books to show their points of how things really work, and how much different it is from what you see in the movies or in the ring.
This is truly becoming one of those subjects where the more you think you know, the more you begin to realize that you’re just hitting the tip of the ice berg. Your MMA class, boxing experience, dojo classes, etc. are but a fraction of the knowledge.
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Another good book is Reality Based Personal Protection by Jim Wagner.
[quote]rasturai wrote:
I agree with FightinIrish in what he said. Most of the time it is better to leave whatever the situation is.
It really is a tragedy to what happens to some folk that get caught up in these things that NEVER expected it or anything.
Does anyone here think some people just don’t have that animalistic mindset…or as they grow older they lose it?
Self-awarness is a key to getting out of these types of situations I think. Also expecting the worst. as in if he pulls out a blade, I will get cut. etc.
I was at a bar once, actually the first bar I ever went to…and a guy called me out. Now I was only 18 years old, and never drank…didn’t go to drink…just went there to be a DD like always.
He called me out, and really I’m not scared to fight, I will fight this shit out. But it is the fear of the unknown…why did he call me out? Are his intentions more than just to fight? What weapons does he have on him? Because I’m 205 at 5’9 and low BF I have a solid build.
I also had a completely shaved head…say what you want, but there is intimidation factor with those type of haircuts…aside from that So what gave him the confidence to just call me out like that? he must have a weapon. I was with my girlfriend and he was looking at her kind of funny also.
I didn’t say anything to him, and I told him I don’t want any problems man, and I could see the anger in his face, clenching of his fights…etc.
In these situations…I do not wait, I do not hesitate…if I know he wants some he will probably try and get some. So I caught him off guard by calling someone over, as he looked away…pop. The end.
If he had started to come closer, and wanted some…I wouldn’t hesitate to pull a blade out.
For all I know, that’s his intentions. I mean good for everybody, but when there is no reasoning for their attack other than to just attack, well you should have no mercy really…
aside from that I also have a pretty good paranoia problem so that doesn’t help a situation…lol[/quote]
Nice story. I reckon some people may think that was a cheap shot but like you already said, you didn’t want trouble and that made him even more angry, so it could only have been a matter of time before he lashed out or did something stupid. I think you did the right thing. You tried to defuse the situation so it’s not like you didn’t think it over. I bet the dude you KO’d learned something from that; always nice knowing you made someone all the wiser 
At 18 aswell, that took some guts! I’m glad you were composed, especially infront of your girl. There is always a kind of pressure to react in times like that I feel, but again you did the right thing by keeping your cool. I hope his friends were a little smarter but judging from the result they did shit to calm him down, so there was nothing stopping them from jumping in and gang beating you, well, maybe your friends but still 
I’ve seen that happen, some guy calls someone out, gets his ass kicked then the guy who wins, gets his ass kicked from a gang of his friends.
Not everyone is so lucky like the OP points out, about having no chance of seeing such and such coming, it can happen to anyone and it’s a damn shame. But desperate times calls for desperate measures; to some, the only way they can get by is crime. Of course, it’s not all that, people just like to start shit cause of their own insecurities - that dude probably called you out because he thought you looked a bit of a bad ass and probably wanted to see how tough you really were to test himself… tis madness I tells ye.
Wish people would wisen up a bit and have a little respect for each other. I tell you the worst of it all, i bet some people are too afraid to go out and enjoy themselves at night because of it ;(
edit; woops, i didn’t realise this thread was 7 pages long… sorry if my waffling on has been said before, got a long read ahead of me.
I feel that this thread hasn’t dealt with the consequences of violence, so I’m going to chime in.
I live in Morocco where handguns are illegal : even though there is some contraband you’re not likely to encounter any. But people do have knives.
Let’s say somebody attacks you and you take him down. It’s not over. If you leave the attacker any leeway he will take his knife and slash his arm, throw the knife away and claim that you did it.
Corruption is rampant so he can probably get witnesses that will say that you did it AND the police will not look into it.
And you will be found guilty…
If you watch “Never Back Down” a few times with a pen and notebook, paying special attention to the scene where the protagonist beats on those three huge men from the hummer in the middle of the street, I promise you will learn all you need to know of street self defense. That’s some real shit.
k.elkouhen
Where in Morocco? I spent a short time there in the 80s found it a rough place. I am blond which is just like saying “mug me” in some parts. I came around a corner in a medina and caught a hard blow to the back of the head. It made me have that black and blue flash in my eyes like when you are getting knocked out. I was very lucky to stumble forward but keep my feet. I really had no idea what happened and don’t really recall the next few seconds. Anyway I spun around to face a small teenager holding a golf wood. He wound up, I shot in for him but missed. He was a block away before any of it really registered in my head. Maybe seven seconds total. Had I gone down, it might have been the last time. Big lump on my head for quite some time.
I hung out in some poor spots and probably just got lucky but I had attempted muggings in Tangier, Fes, and Ceuta. The other two were with a knife and straight razor.
Beautiful place, sketchy for blondes.
A few days there made me as jumpy as I have ever been. The old, poor, and backwater areas are very cool, Roman ruins, old mosques, buildings about a thousand years old and no running water. I really liked it but wished I had an Arabic guide. I got sucker punched in the face while sitting on an old bus crossing over to Fes because I wouldn’t give him money. I got a good smack from a walking stick from an imam while a local guy was showing me his mosque.
Overall, it was great though. I was told that “blonde” is a real insult there. I’m really more red but still just wrong. I hung out with black guys from central Africa (I think Camaroon) and they were probably hated more than me. I hung with a Pakistani for a while and he was more freaked out than I was. My only point was that violence happens in a second. No warning, no squaring off.
Bar fights in Britain seem to go down the same way. Little or no warning and then all hell breaks loose.
You’d do fine. Spaniards, Italians, and Greeks I met did fine as long as they didn’t dress flashy.
I did better in northern Europe as long as I kept my mouth shut. The only genetics that worked for me in North Africa were long reach and a thick skull.
Almost all fights in real life I’ve seen are never remotely fair, it always seems to be 2 v 1 or way worse. The bar fights are always so alcohol fueled and pointless it just creeps me out. I hate it when I’m at the bar with a couple people, and the most pointless violence erupts when I’m trying to watch sports. And you know none of the douchebags fighting and pissing everybody off have the slightest clue what they are fighting about, people just get psychotically defensive when drunk and take things the wrong way.
The funniest bar fights are when the people are so drunk and angry and swinging wildly at eachother, and NO ONE even hits the other guy because they are like hardcore music style thrashing around like a moshpit. Then the bouncers step in and kick both of their asses and its another victory for the people who mind their own business and can enjoy alcohol without the need to kill eachother.
What really is the paradox for me about the street/bar fight scenario is you just never know how insane or on what drugs the guy your about to fight is on. Because if you know the insane guy is hell bent on REALLY killing you, and isnt going to just “prove a point” and walk away. Because if you know someone is going to try to kill you, you’d handle the situation completely differently.
About a month ago me and my buddy went to a Hess gas station late at night, I get out of the car and start walking towards the door to buy some beers. Out of nowhere this guy is walking up to me from across the parking lot, I think he’s going to ask for a dollar, or to bum a cig, or whatever. And he’s like “Yo, I see you lookin at my bitches!” Because he’s parked on the other side of the parking lot with some creepy skanks in his car. I think the guy is joking or something because its so ridiculous that I just fake laugh and say “whats up man”. Then he sucker punches me in the face, my friend charged him, and we held his ass down and made the gas station people call the cops on this nut job, and they found a knife on the guy.
A little bit of a rant, but moral of the story is people are fucking crazy.
It’s amazing what being aware of the situation and having the right sort of confidence will do in sketchy situations. I don’t mean strutting around like you can and want to kick everyone’s ass, but just acting in a self assured and respectful manner. It’s amazing what a little bit of being nice will do (even in robberies from what I have heard).
On a related note, I’ve never seen a bar fight that didn’t have plenty of warning (at least if you know what you’re looking for).
Maybe the actual fight started with one guy bottling another one from behind (although even that is rare there’s usually plenty of posturing) but 9 times out of 10, or more, in any fight the two guys had previous history (whether it’s that night or more generally).
For the record - I’ve never been in a bar fight and I think it’s because I’m not looking to be in one. I’ve had guys try to pick fights with me, and I tend to ignore them, apologising if necessary, and walking away when that doesn’t work. Maybe that makes me a pussy, if so, I don’t care. I have better things to do with my life than risk serious injury or a criminal record over some stupid drunken incident.
All I do is knock people out every weekend.
[quote]paleotool wrote:
k.elkouhen
Where in Morocco? I spent a short time there in the 80s found it a rough place. I am blond which is just like saying “mug me” in some parts. I came around a corner in a medina and caught a hard blow to the back of the head. It made me have that black and blue flash in my eyes like when you are getting knocked out. I was very lucky to stumble forward but keep my feet. I really had no idea what happened and don’t really recall the next few seconds. Anyway I spun around to face a small teenager holding a golf wood. He wound up, I shot in for him but missed. He was a block away before any of it really registered in my head. Maybe seven seconds total. Had I gone down, it might have been the last time. Big lump on my head for quite some time.
I hung out in some poor spots and probably just got lucky but I had attempted muggings in Tangier, Fes, and Ceuta. The other two were with a knife and straight razor.
Beautiful place, sketchy for blondes.[/quote]
I’m moroccan so I do not have your handicap, but I’ve lived in Fès, Meknès and Rabat and as a rule you must pay really attention when you are in poorest parts of town, whatever the color of your hair
Violence starts easily but rarely escalates.
If you do get into a fight you can count on the people around you to stop it if they can. This means that the murder rate is one of the lowest in the world 0.47 per year per 100,000 inhabitants : List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia