[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
paleotool wrote:
A few days there made me as jumpy as I have ever been. The old, poor, and backwater areas are very cool, Roman ruins, old mosques, buildings about a thousand years old and no running water. I really liked it but wished I had an Arabic guide. I got sucker punched in the face while sitting on an old bus crossing over to Fes because I wouldn’t give him money. I got a good smack from a walking stick from an imam while a local guy was showing me his mosque.
Overall, it was great though. I was told that “blonde” is a real insult there. I’m really more red but still just wrong. I hung out with black guys from central Africa (I think Camaroon) and they were probably hated more than me. I hung with a Pakistani for a while and he was more freaked out than I was. My only point was that violence happens in a second. No warning, no squaring off.
Bar fights in Britain seem to go down the same way. Little or no warning and then all hell breaks loose.
I hear that.
My only blessing is that I’m short and very dark. The odds are high that they wouldn’t be able to tell me apart from them.[/quote]
Moroccans are very observant and will be able to tell that you’re not a local.
I can’t believe how some people don’t realize combat SPORTS =/= street fighting.
Give me a bottle or the chance to eye-gouge, fish hook or groin kick in the street. You don’t get awards for nobility in a street fight. If the guy has a knife, I’d run.
[quote]Droogan Leader wrote:
I can’t believe how some people don’t realize combat SPORTS =/= street fighting.
Give me a bottle or the chance to eye-gouge, fish hook or groin kick in the street. You don’t get awards for nobility in a street fight. If the guy has a knife, I’d run. [/quote]
If you do get into a fight you can count on the people around you to stop it if they can. This means that the murder rate is one of the lowest in the world 0.47 per year per 100,000 inhabitants : List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia
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The knife guy was in a semi-deserted train station. I think he just was feeling out the easy American. I had a pack on so it wasn’t easy to run.
It ended with a couple of locals grabbing him, a couple of soldiers knocking him around for a few minutes (just for my benefit) and they asked ME if that was enough. I said yes and they let us all go. I don’t even think they took his knife. Nothing heroic on my part, I just couldn’t give up the money and passport.
[quote]fightnews10 wrote:
Droogan Leader wrote:
I can’t believe how some people don’t realize combat SPORTS =/= street fighting.
Give me a bottle or the chance to eye-gouge, fish hook or groin kick in the street. You don’t get awards for nobility in a street fight. If the guy has a knife, I’d run.
haha to the story about the guy saying yo you lookin at my bitches.
You guys can call me crazy but…if a guy comes up to me and said what he said I would hit him right away no questions asked.
If I’m being confronted out of nowhere for no reason…just like what happened to an above poster. I will never laugh or fake smile…this in my experience just adds fuel…i think perhaps because they think your looking at them like “what a joke” or you know “somethin funny? huh?” kinda thing.
So I just have a normal face on, stern, I’m very direct and polite. If I see in their BODY LANGUAGE…never mind that talkin shit. BODY LANGUAGE…clenched fists, any leaning fowards…I’m hitting them right away…9 times out of 10…they are gettin hit first, not me.
If they pull a knife on me…and I can’t get away for some reason (which in most cases I would leave immediately) I ALWAYS have a knife on me. then we play the game let’s see what happens.
Stop being stupid guys! “Real Violence” NEVER HAPPENS! It is a government conspiracy that promotes fear, and is only seen on television, and all you bastards who make up these stories work for the very government that is instilling fear and hatred into the minds of our young children. BASTARDS!
[quote]rasturai wrote:
haha to the story about the guy saying yo you lookin at my bitches.
You guys can call me crazy but…if a guy comes up to me and said what he said I would hit him right away no questions asked.
If I’m being confronted out of nowhere for no reason…just like what happened to an above poster. I will never laugh or fake smile…this in my experience just adds fuel…i think perhaps because they think your looking at them like “what a joke” or you know “somethin funny? huh?” kinda thing.
So I just have a normal face on, stern, I’m very direct and polite. If I see in their BODY LANGUAGE…never mind that talkin shit. BODY LANGUAGE…clenched fists, any leaning fowards…I’m hitting them right away…9 times out of 10…they are gettin hit first, not me.
If they pull a knife on me…and I can’t get away for some reason (which in most cases I would leave immediately) I ALWAYS have a knife on me. then we play the game let’s see what happens.[/quote]
How many times have you actually really punched a guy in the face for saying anything?
this thread is asinine. Crime happens. Anyone is capable of anything at anytime;from fighters, to cops, to soldiers, to librarians. The key to survival in any situation is awareness and knowing when to fight and when to run. Combat sports are just that, sports. Violence in the streets is just that, violence in the streets. This is nothing new. There is no need for a public service announcement. At least a fighter, ammy, pro, or even someone that just trains like a fighter, is in good enough shape to run or fight and is more likely to be successful with either choice than people that sit back reading newspapers, cleaning their guns, and stocking up on mace waiting for the opportunity to prove that “I’m not a victim”.
Several months ago while working the door at a night club 2 freshly 18, still in highschool, kids were ejected from the club and denied entry by myself because they were too intoxicated to remain inside. Apparently 1 am isn’t late enough to call it a night and they decided to hang out 5 feet away from my post at the front door.
After harassing other patrons entering and leaving the bar for half an hour I told them to get off the property. They decided to move 10 feet away but stand directly infront of the doors and then beak at me. Normally this behavior doesn’t get to me because being a bouncer requires rather thick skin to avoid problems with LE and gangs/highrollers. It was fine until they started harassing some female patrons who were obviously uncomfortable with their advances. I then told them to vacate the parking lot which they were standing in. They told me to fuck off.
At this point I started guiding the more beligerent teenager to the end of the parking lot not really paying attention because he wasn’t even on my threat radar so I didn’t even radio for help (It was a slow night and everybody was cut except for 1 other guy and he was inside). After pushing him for a good 20 feet I noticed something metallic in his hand. He had been holding a 3 inch knife for a good solid 10 of the feet I had pushed him. I would have never seen it coming if he decided to stick it in my neck or elsewhere. I told him that he needed a bigger knife and to fuck off. Thankfully him being inexperienced and pulling it out due to fear ie. his first time in night club and me being 240 at 5’10 and him being 160 at 5’8 he decided to follow my advice.
Second incident, same club, at an all ages party no less! This means the age range inside the club was 14 to 18 and there was no booze being sold. All kids needed high school id’s to get in. Around midnight there was a large group of Africans, I’m thinking Nigerian, who were caught smoking inside and promptly kicked out. After trying to burn the bouncer who ejected them with the ciggarette some harsh words were exchanged and a small scuffle ensued.
Fast forward to 1230ish, there were 2 off duty officers working the crowd with us since there were 900+ kids and they decided to call in another 2 officers with a paddy wagon when a kid got caught with 100 pills of E. So now there are 4 LE officers standing 5 feet away from the front door where I am with 2 other bouncers. Fast forward to 2 am closing time when 900+ kids stand in the parking lot making it a clusterfuck when it comes to scanning the crowd and trying to identify trouble makers/problems. With the 4 police officers standing not 5 feet away from us the Africans come back, around 8 or so strong, rushing the door from about 10 feet away with switchblades trying to stab the bouncer who kicked them out.
Thankfully the crowd was thick so 10 feet away was far enough away to allow us to get the rest of the doorstaff outside and alert the LE officers to what was happening. They quickly turned tail as more doorstaff came outside and the LE officers backed us up with extendable batons. These kids were 14 to 18 years old.
Just little snipets of violence. Granted when going to a night club or bar where alcohol is, I think violence is a little more likely, but this can happen anywhere. Oddly enough a month later my girlfriend told me that the manager of BP’s had chased those same Africans a 2 blocks after they dined and dashed right before said incident. I told her he is lucky they didn’t stab him. I bought a stab vest after the first incident and was wearing it for the second. My co worker was literally using me as a shield while running after the Africans. I didn’t think much about it until writing this. I’m going to have a word with him.
This is a stupid world. Why do some people have the need to use violence on others (I like controled violence = the ring) I do not know…
I’m 19, I’ve been going out for 3 years now and no problems except one - the dude attacked me and my female friend at 4:30 in the morning on a Thursday night. I tried to do EVERYTHING to defuse the situation (he was aggresive without reason and probably on drugs, drunk), but when I realised it’s pointless I threw the first punch. Thank good, I managed to fight him off (never been in a fight, I have a good nose breaking right hook yey). It was another city, 20 miles away.
Since then, I stopped drinking much, going out much (only Saturdays), not staying out stupidly late (Nothing good happens after 2AM)… I’m just nervous, and scared a bit. I dunno. Last Saturday I was going home alone (2+ mile walk home) around 4AM when I heard voices ahead and behind me. I was pretty wasted, and got crazy scared. I just didn’t want to risk anything, but thinking now probably nothing would have happened. I called my folks to pick me up and they did.
I lost major confidence (not the stupid one - but healthy confidence).
[quote]admbaum wrote:
this thread is asinine. Crime happens. Anyone is capable of anything at anytime;from fighters, to cops, to soldiers, to librarians. The key to survival in any situation is awareness and knowing when to fight and when to run. Combat sports are just that, sports. Violence in the streets is just that, violence in the streets. This is nothing new. There is no need for a public service announcement. At least a fighter, ammy, pro, or even someone that just trains like a fighter, is in good enough shape to run or fight and is more likely to be successful with either choice than people that sit back reading newspapers, cleaning their guns, and stocking up on mace waiting for the opportunity to prove that “I’m not a victim”. [/quote]
Thanks for the asinine,unwarranted “public service announcement”…genius. All you did was state the obvious in your attempt to bash this thread for “stating the obvious.” You should at least read and understand the premise of a thread before bashing it as if you know something we don’t.
if you ever find yourself in a violent situatin…just tell the attacker that you got your red belt from jesus christ! that should scare him away…i hope. lol.
As for all the guns and knives…do what you can to survive the situation, if all else fails and you do get done…i guess your time was up -
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
admbaum wrote:
this thread is asinine. Crime happens. Anyone is capable of anything at anytime;from fighters, to cops, to soldiers, to librarians. The key to survival in any situation is awareness and knowing when to fight and when to run. Combat sports are just that, sports. Violence in the streets is just that, violence in the streets. This is nothing new. There is no need for a public service announcement. At least a fighter, ammy, pro, or even someone that just trains like a fighter, is in good enough shape to run or fight and is more likely to be successful with either choice than people that sit back reading newspapers, cleaning their guns, and stocking up on mace waiting for the opportunity to prove that “I’m not a victim”.
Thanks for the asinine,unwarranted “public service announcement”…genius. All you did was state the obvious in your attempt to bash this thread for “stating the obvious.” You should at least read and understand the premise of a thread before bashing it as if you know something we don’t.[/quote]
The premise is reposting news clips in the forums? I had a roommate that would do that and act like he was helping the world by regurgitating things you can find on your own. As far as my post being warranted, are any of anyone’s?..including yours?
Hi Fighting irish ,
I agree that unfortunatly these things take place in a remarkably fast timeline.
The whole “training makes you invincible” idea is untrue and may lead to misplaced confidence however, size is a very definite deterrent,as is the ability to talk and de escalate a situation.
did you ever find though that there was a long build up to some of these events , the posturing the talking etc ? i thought that there was and that any interception at that time would end issues before they even began
maybe the best idea is to “look like you train” and be able to calm a guy down and leave things alone
The premise is reposting news clips in the forums? I had a roommate that would do that and act like he was helping the world by regurgitating things you can find on your own. As far as my post being warranted, are any of anyone’s?..including yours?[/quote]
No. The premise is a reminder that just because we train it doesn’t make us invincible. No doubt you actually are invincible, and therefore this thread does not apply to you.
The news clips are meant to serve as examples of real life violence, where the rules of combat sport do not apply. Many people who train believe their system will address all possible threats. It doesn’t hurt to be reminded that it will not. Not even my system, which is totally badass, awesome, and makes me immortal.
Please don’t be a dick, admbaum. It’s not warranted.
The premise is reposting news clips in the forums? I had a roommate that would do that and act like he was helping the world by regurgitating things you can find on your own. As far as my post being warranted, are any of anyone’s?..including yours?
No. The premise is a reminder that just because we train it doesn’t make us invincible. No doubt you actually are invincible, and therefore this thread does not apply to you.
The news clips are meant to serve as examples of real life violence, where the rules of combat sport do not apply. Many people who train believe their system will address all possible threats. It doesn’t hurt to be reminded that it will not. Not even my system, which is totally badass, awesome, and makes me immortal.
Please don’t be a dick, admbaum. It’s not warranted.[/quote]
I think the original post is a good reminder - there are a million examples available on places like nothingtoxic.com. A knife makes the gaurd and mount totally irrelevant. I have known a few highly trained fighters who bought it when a guy pulled out a knife.
Guns change the dynamics even more - the first Indiana Jones movie makes comedic history when Indiana shoots the guy doing fancy martial arts moves with a sword.
For me, I chuckle at the guys with NO FEAR painted on their trucks - to me what that means is that they have just never been in a really serious situation. Pretty much everyone gets scared when the bullets start flying.
The bravest guys I know get afraid when someone opens fire, its just that they can keep pressing forward even when someone is shooting - I have never met anyone who never got afraid when something like a shooter opens fire.
[quote]Zack Nelson wrote:
I think the original post is a good reminder - there are a million examples available on places like nothingtoxic.com. A knife makes the gaurd and mount totally irrelevant. I have known a few highly trained fighters who bought it when a guy pulled out a knife.
Guns change the dynamics even more - the first Indiana Jones movie makes comedic history when Indiana shoots the guy doing fancy martial arts moves with a sword.
For me, I chuckle at the guys with NO FEAR painted on their trucks - to me what that means is that they have just never been in a really serious situation. Pretty much everyone gets scared when the bullets start flying.
The bravest guys I know get afraid when someone opens fire, its just that they can keep pressing forward even when someone is shooting - I have never met anyone who never got afraid when something like a shooter opens fire.[/quote]
Ugh, I can’t stand that NO FEAR nonsense,either. When seeing that decal, I certainly have never thought, “Wow, I bet that guy must be really brave!” No woman I’ve known would find that attractive - I’m just sayin’, guys.
Today I witnesed ultimate stupidity. Two friends started fighting in front of a bar (bunch of people were outside). I was sitting 10 feet away. One had a bottle of beer and threw it at the other who was standing among bunch of people. Luckily, no one was hurt…
