[quote]blazindave wrote:
Did he survive (maybe)?[/quote]
Uh no…your aorta is a part of your heart muscle…I was just trying to be a little clever…
The aorta technically is not a part of the heart muscle.
It’s an artery, and there are many cases, when immediate reaction has saved people with perforated aorta. Nevertheless, if you get a hole in your chest, through the aorta, it will be like a goddamn’ garden hose…
Sorry for the guy 
By the way, one of the times when someone tried to start shit with me, which still brings smile to my face, was when some 8-9 years ago on my way to HS, a guy tried to mug me. I reacted like the guys on the TV. And to be more specific, I mean Tyson Gay or Usain Bolt - the second I realized what was happening, I turned “Run, Forrest, run” mode.
After 100-150 m, I look back and see the guy, half the distance back, with “WTF was that?” on his face. Later it turned out I was pretty good in sprinting (away).
[quote]mldj wrote:
The aorta technically is not a part of the heart muscle.
It’s an artery, and there are many cases, when immediate reaction has saved people with perforated aorta. Nevertheless, if you get a hole in your chest, through the aorta, it will be like a goddamn’ garden hose…
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I don’t know about many cases. A punctured aorta has like a 96% mortality rate.
I am currently a high school student and in a few towns over there were two students argueing and one of them corners the other at the bathroom. They start to duke it out and one of them pulls out a knife (from his home kitchen) and stabs the other one.
This was not a random act of violence, the two had been throwing words and stupid shit back and forth forever. What happens next was random.
Some kid was in the bathroom stall when the entire ordeal happened, when the attacker noticed this he busted open the stall door and attacked the random innocent bystander with his knife before being subdued by someone else who entered.
THAT is random violence. He was just taking a dump probably and those two guys went in there and tangled and he got hit as colateral. There is no way he could have seen it coming.
AND just to contradict the whole point of my post, most of the violence I see is provoked. This is the only time I have ever heard of an un-provoked act of violence. Someone got his face cut up at my school and everyone thought it was a random act untill they found out he tried to rob two drug dealers and lost. At this point in my life, violence is not a random swirl of events that people make it out to be. It is as simple as pushing a car downhill.
Easy to start, impossible to stop
[quote]mldj wrote:
The aorta technically is not a part of the heart muscle.
It’s an artery, and there are many cases, when immediate reaction has saved people with perforated aorta. Nevertheless, if you get a hole in your chest, through the aorta, it will be like a goddamn’ garden hose…
Sorry for the guy
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I don’t think it was acutlly in the aorta, but I do know he was stabbed in the heart somewhere…
[quote]musicma1n1 wrote:
At this point in my life, violence is not a random swirl of events that people make it out to be. It is as simple as pushing a car downhill.
Easy to start, impossible to stop[/quote]
Good that you’ve figured this out at a young age.
[quote]der FrostBack77 wrote:
blazindave wrote:
Did he survive (maybe)?
Uh no…your aorta is a part of your heart muscle…I was just trying to be a little clever…
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I read that as jugular for some reason.
Whoops.
[quote]fightnews10 wrote:
NederPolska wrote:
Being held up at an ATM machine at gun point , tought me one thing about myself. I actually did not “freeze up” like most/average people do in such a situation. But eventhough i can fight well, there was not one millisecond I thought about engaging.
Suprisingly most of my friends explained what “tough” thing they would have done do that guy. Hopefully they will never face such situation. Sadly enough my country Holland has become very violent in the last 10-15 years, and i’m seeing no change for the better.
The only toughthing your freinds would have done is take a bullet in the face. I,m sure there’s tons of guys on this board that think they would have done some kind of BJJ slash Mr. Miyagi kick but they’re delusional.[/quote]
Yeah, no kicks or slashes in BJJ there junior.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:And besides that, my point in the initial post was that violence happens 1) in place where you wouldn’t expect it (such as the wrong fast food place or outside your gym) and 2) to people that are NOT looking for it.
If you can avoid stopping at the wrong fast food place, get me in on that crystal ball so I can get some too.
It is rarely truly random. Guys don’t just come in and shoot people. There are usually hard looks exchange, some shit talk, etc. That is not random.
If you talk shit to the wrong guy, he WILL pull his shit out on you. This is basic causality. That means the process is not random.
If a cop or other gang member cut in front of me in line at McDonald’s, I’d bit my lip and deal with it. Because I know that things will get elevated quickly if I say anything.
I once pulled into a gas station in a town called Shamrock, Texas. I saw the sheriff, who looked inbred. The guy worked the pump looked inbred. Both were obese.
I thought, “This is some The Hills Have Eyes shit,” and got the fuck out of there. I literally pulled in, took a look at them, and pulled right out and got on the freeway.
Had I stayed and wound up on a meat hook or gotten raped by obese retards, you’d say that was “random.” I’d say, “Fuck no. That’s what happens when you allow yourself to be near inbreds.”
Same thing with everything. If things look fishy, I’ll get my Big Mac elsewhere.[/quote]
I couldn’t agree more. I used to be big time into martial arts so naturally people would ask me which art they thought was best for self-defense. I’d always point out that awareness plays a bigger part on the street than any technique.
For example if you’re about to get on a subway cart at the tail end of the night and it’s full of gang members - maybe wait for the next train?
I’m not saying live your life in fear, and honestly you should not have to modify your behavior that much. How many carts full of gang members are in your area? If they answer is “every cart is filled with tons of gang members” my “self defense” advice would be "move to a better neighborhood.
No one wants to hear that. They want to drill techniques for hours and think they’ll take down a group of armed terrorists like Jason Bourne.
Again, I love the arts, but there are very real limitations to them. Some don’t want to acknowledge this.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Rob-jitsu wrote:
Good post man.
This one really gets me: “A 15-year-old youth… charged in death of a 25-year-old member of the New Jersey Army National Guard. Jaime Bermudez Jr…shot in the chest and stabbed in the back.”
According to the paper, the dude trained a lot, played football, and ate at buffets all the time so I’m guessing he was fairly jacked. That “people don’t mess with big guys” stuff is true - they don’t “mess,” they just get scared and pull the weapon because there’s no other way they can win.
I agree. I thought that one might hit close to home because the guy was certainly no pussy.[/quote]
Yep, seeing it coming and giving yourself time is the way to go. I’m no fighter, but I usually have a gun and knife or two guns on me, and being aware and prepared in chance you have to prevail, or just plain not be there.
[quote]Mzungu wrote:
Ok, Here are my little bits of experience on this subject.
Many years ago, when I was a uni student, I used to work nightclub doors to make a bit of extra money.
There are a couple of observations I would make about violence in the real world, and please bear in mind that these were the days before MMA got popular, and there were few issues with people carrying knives.
1: On the subject of people not going after the big guys. I’m sorry but that never worked. If some belligerent idiot is looking for trouble, he generally does’nt care what you look like. The interesting thing about where I worked was that we had a lot of big blokes. There was a guy called Rob who last year came 4th in UK’s Strongest man.
People would pick on him all the time. The funny thing is that there was another guy who was 5’6", and probably did’nt even weigh 140lbs. every idiot on earth would go after him. Problem was he was an Army boxing champion who used to moonlight with us. They never knew what hit them.
2: I don’t want to upset people here, but based on my experience, the best street fighters were guys who fought on the streets. They did’nt do Karate or Kickbox or any of that stuff. Most of them had boxed however, at some point in their lives.
And just to go off topic a bit. A word of advice from my experience to all you MMA types. For christs sake, if you ever get in a street fight, do not take the guy to the ground, and go there with him. All his mates will kick the crap out of you.
3: I agree with whoever said earlier that you just have to overwhelm your opponent. My philosophy was always to be nice and talk my way out wherever possible. If that fails however, the mantra became: Hit him, Hit him, hit him till he stops moving, and then hit him again just to be sure. If in doubt at any time. Hit Him. I’m still here to tell the tale, some of my friends are’nt.
4: Other than boxers, who can fight, and are seriously good at it. The best advice I ever had was from our head doorman who was an ex Parachute regiment unarmed combat instructor. His favourite words of wisdom were: ‘I’ve been fighting for 26 years son. The first 15 (The martial arts) were a waste of time. If in doubt, think Nose, Eyes, Throat and Groin. Use what ever you’ve got, including your teeth. Put the bastard down, and get the f**k out of there.’
Not really an anti violence message I know, but this all kept me healthy and unhurt for the 3 years I did that type of work.[/quote]
Sounds good to me.
So I’m fucking around on youtube and came across some interesting videos that I thought pertain to this thread.
This one features Zab Judah gettin into a hood rat brawl in Miami. Pretty entertaining, except for the cat that gets completely stomped at the end.
Here’s another one with some nancies in Southbeach. Guy even uses an improvised weapon, although I can’t tell what the fuck it is.
My man does work in this one- one of my favorites where some Turkish guy shows why I like boxing so much. Check out the stiff jab and the straight right that KO’s two guys.
Another one.
The best part is at the end of the first video, I think one of the girls says, “I don’t even know what happened”.
haha nice vid with zab judah! thanks for postin that.
I’ve seen all the other ones, but still good stuff…definaetly like the turkish one though!
here’s a random act of violence lol
haha omg i came across this video…never seen it but this is some funnyass shit!
not bad for a little kid! lol
haha alright this is my last post…ive seen this before but just watched it agin and watned to share it with everyone who hasn’t seen it yet lol
I’d get an 8 year old crack dealer to take him out.
where do you guys live, in the ghetto? i never have anything happen to me or people confront me in my neighborhood or places i go to
I can smash some serious face, but I will NOT fight unless I have absolutely no other choice
I am very comfortable with getting hit in the face, even getting cut here and there. We all know (those of us who train and fight) that the adrenaline takes care of all the fear and pain that you worry about initially. I just won’t go there.
Oh and -guns- and -assaulting countries- do not make you a -warrior-
There is so much more to it.
[quote]HangerBaby wrote:
I can smash some serious face, but I will NOT fight unless I have absolutely no other choice
I am very comfortable with getting hit in the face, even getting cut here and there. We all know (those of us who train and fight) that the adrenaline takes care of all the fear and pain that you worry about initially. I just won’t go there.
Oh and -guns- and -assaulting countries- do not make you a -warrior-
There is so much more to it.[/quote]
Uh isn’t the very definition of warrior tied up in combat itself? A guy who partakes in MMA (or boxing or kickboxing or muay thai or TMAs) participates in sport, a guy who fights in war is a warior.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
HangerBaby wrote:
I can smash some serious face, but I will NOT fight unless I have absolutely no other choice
I am very comfortable with getting hit in the face, even getting cut here and there. We all know (those of us who train and fight) that the adrenaline takes care of all the fear and pain that you worry about initially. I just won’t go there.
Oh and -guns- and -assaulting countries- do not make you a -warrior-
There is so much more to it.
Uh isn’t the very definition of warrior tied up in combat itself? A guy who partakes in MMA (or boxing or kickboxing or muay thai or TMAs) participates in sport, a guy who fights in war is a warior.[/quote]
I think you need to hang out at a recruiting station for a day to see what I mean. A lot of my friends are in the marine corps and I have nothing but respect for the guys that do not commit heinous acts. However, I guess they do fit the literal definition of ‘warrior’, but they aren’t any tougher than your average Joe. There are heroes in the forces that are exceptions to this… but otherwise we have a lot of sketchy people ‘defending’ the united states right now.