How Real Violence Happens

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:And besides that, my point in the initial post was that violence happens 1) in place where you wouldn’t expect it (such as the wrong fast food place or outside your gym) and 2) to people that are NOT looking for it.

If you can avoid stopping at the wrong fast food place, get me in on that crystal ball so I can get some too.

It is rarely truly random. Guys don’t just come in and shoot people. There are usually hard looks exchange, some shit talk, etc. That is not random.

If you talk shit to the wrong guy, he WILL pull his shit out on you. This is basic causality. That means the process is not random.

If a cop or other gang member cut in front of me in line at McDonald’s, I’d bit my lip and deal with it. Because I know that things will get elevated quickly if I say anything.

I once pulled into a gas station in a town called Shamrock, Texas. I saw the sheriff, who looked inbred. The guy worked the pump looked inbred. Both were obese.

I thought, “This is some The Hills Have Eyes shit,” and got the fuck out of there. I literally pulled in, took a look at them, and pulled right out and got on the freeway.

Had I stayed and wound up on a meat hook or gotten raped by obese retards, you’d say that was “random.” I’d say, “Fuck no. That’s what happens when you allow yourself to be near inbreds.”

Same thing with everything. If things look fishy, I’ll get my Big Mac elsewhere.[/quote]

I am not saying that you’re wrong, and I’m not going to even go into how badly you are contradicting many, many previous posts of yours.

But the point, and intent of the original post, is to show that violence is not always avoidable, and many times happens completely unexpectedly. Thinking otherwise is either willfully ignorant or unbelievably naive.

What rarely happens is the old school toe-to-toe brawls that some people around here think actually go on.

I’m not going to explain this again- if you don’t get it by now, maybe it’s time for some comprehension courses for you.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote: But the point, and intent of the original post, is to show that violence is not always avoidable, and many times happens completely unexpectedly. Thinking otherwise is either willfully ignorant or unbelievably naive.
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I comprehend your points. They are wrong.

Even the examples you cite that someone prove your point show causality.

  1. Man has knife to throat. Whey did he let 2 guys get up on him?

  2. Man gets cut breaking up fight. If you a guy beating his girlfriend, why wouldn’t you expect him to attack you for breaking it up? If you’re going to get in between that shit, you’re done. A person trained in these matters would even tell you that the woman getting beaten is more likely to fuck you up. Ask some cops about that. Nothing random at all about getting fucked up when getting between a woman beater and his woman .

  3. Some teen gets messed up. The article noted that the people had had beef before. So… You’re surprised that someone you had drama with cut you? Why?

  4. The attempted rape. The guy was a druggie. Why associate with druggies and drunks? Druggies and drunks rape and fuck shit up. This is fact.

Yes, shit can go down anywhere. Yet that’s not what happens most of the time. If you’re alert, “random” shit don’t happen often.

I was with my wife once, walking down a dark alley. I saw a guy standing around with no purpose. I knew some “random” act of violence was about to occur. So I made eye contact with him, and gave him a nice stare down.

His cohort was hiding by the stair well. I made sure he knew that I saw him. THEY got all nervous and got the fuck out.

I have no doubt about what would have happened if I had been some idiot loser who doesn’t pay attention.

Another time I was walking my dog when I saw a hot Asian walking by. She was oblivious and talking on her cell phone. I saw two shady looking guys give each other a nod, and start quickly walking behind her. That dumb bitch was about to get raped.

So me and my dog picked up the pace, knowing full well what was about to go down. The idiot losers saw me and my dog and knocked their shit off. Now I know those guys might have pulled something on me. But if shit was going to get elevated, I’d have immediately knocked one out. My dog would have been on the other one long enough for me to head kick him with my iron fucking shins.

Again, you seem randomness. I saw AVOIDABLE situations. If you’re a hot chick why are you talking on the phone late at night on an empty street? Bitch should have paid attention.

These things are not random to me because I have specific training in threat assessment. It’s like taking a statistics class. You might see random data points. A person trained in data analysis would see a nice distribution of data - a pattern.

I also have the skills to do something in dangerous situations. That’s where specific training comes in. Come at me and you’ll get Judo thrown into the pavement, or have your femur broken with my shin. That’s physical training.

But, yes, I can tell you that if you keep hanging out in dive bars, you’ll probably get knifed or some shit. I’ll tell you something else: It won’t be random.

If you hang out with muts, then you’ll get fleas. There ain’t nothing random about that.

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Whatever dude. You are all over the place, and as I said before, it seems like every day you’re contradict whatever the fuck you said the day before.

You go from killing people indiscriminately in streetfights to not saying anything when people cut you in line to - running away from two guys outside the gym?

I’m thinking that you might have some sort of personality disorder, because you seem to say different things in every thread- half the time you laugh at people avoiding fights, the other half you’re murdering motherfuckers with your “shins of steel” and then there’s the little part of the time where you’re Superman saving innocents. And it’s not that I doubt what you said could happen, I’m just beginning to doubt that you do half of the stuff you do.

Whatever man. You seem like you’re coming off as more insecure and a little more unhinged every day.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
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And, by some miracle you’re telling the truth on this shit, then it proves all along what I’m saying- that awareness, not your specific art, is THE most important thing.

So you’re proving me right anyway.

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hahaha too funny
asides from that. I am the most alert person I know and there has been one time where this act of violence/hate etc. was VERY random and uncalled for. It was my first introduction to how people can be so cruel and try to take advantage of others.

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Iron shins?
What does CaliforniaLaw practice?

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The whole thing about getting in the midle of a dude beating up his chick…it happened here recently in Hawaii where a guy was beating his chick to death with a shotgun on a street - some guy (older dude, 60s I believe) intervened and got killed as well. There was a crowd of about twenty that watched this go down.

I know it sounds all macho and shit to say, but I hope that if I was faced with a similar situation I would be able to grab my sack and step up. Personally, I’d rather die than witness something like that happen without doing anything at all. Easy to say I know, but hopefully I would be able to live up to that ideal.

Well actually, hopefully I never have to face that kind of decision.

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This stuff really makes you think. It is hard sometimes to keep your humility I think, especially if you don’t live anywhere threatening. I know I have more confidence because I train BJJ and stay in shape, but some times this definitely turns into over confidence or cockiness. It’s good to see a sensible thread like this with some sobering reminders on it.

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[quote]slimjim wrote:
The whole thing about getting in the midle of a dude beating up his chick…it happened here recently in Hawaii where a guy was beating his chick to death with a shotgun on a street - some guy (older dude, 60s I believe) intervened and got killed as well. There was a crowd of about twenty that watched this go down.

I know it sounds all macho and shit to say, but I hope that if I was faced with a similar situation I would be able to grab my sack and step up. Personally, I’d rather die than witness something like that happen without doing anything at all. Easy to say I know, but hopefully I would be able to live up to that ideal.

Well actually, hopefully I never have to face that kind of decision.[/quote]

I agree. I have also heard of instance where guys intervene, and then by the time the cops come you’re getting blamed for whatever went on because the broad turned on you.

That situation is a crap shoot… could work well, might not. Could get you killed, could make you feel spineless for the rest of your life…

Like you said, I hope I never have to face that decision.

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[quote]slimjim wrote:
The whole thing about getting in the midle of a dude beating up his chick…it happened here recently in Hawaii where a guy was beating his chick to death with a shotgun on a street - some guy (older dude, 60s I believe) intervened and got killed as well. There was a crowd of about twenty that watched this go down.

I know it sounds all macho and shit to say, but I hope that if I was faced with a similar situation I would be able to grab my sack and step up. Personally, I’d rather die than witness something like that happen without doing anything at all. Easy to say I know, but hopefully I would be able to live up to that ideal.

Well actually, hopefully I never have to face that kind of decision.[/quote]

I’ve been in a situation like this and it’s really difficult to respond sometimes.
Me, some friends and 3 random dudes are playing soccer in the middle of a field.
Some guy crashes through the bushes, followed by 2 guys. Guy falls, one guy grabs him and other guy proceeds to soccer kick him in the head several times. 6 More people show up.

Not much you can do sometimes. My friends were non fighters (one was completely pacifist) and i wasn’t as into fighting as i am now (read = i wasn’t a good fighter). My friends sisters were with us (one 8, the other 9) since this parc was next to my friend’s house.
This guy took such a beating. He was taking soccer kicks and punches to the face. They were holding him up cause he was unconscious. This was in broad daylight by the way.

I was the only one who had the balls to call the cops (even then i hesitated for a minute) but by the time the cops came they were all gone.
If they were 3 or even 4 dudes i would have done something…maybe, but no way can i take on 8 guys by myself.

Was a very humbling experience. We all couldn’t sleep that night. I still felt like a fucking pussy for not doing anything more direct.

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Hahaha. Nah homey, if it’s all guys fighting I don’t give a fuck. That’s not my problem. I will never step in for a man that I don’t know unless it’s a real old guy.

I was more talking about getting in the middle of arguments between a guy and his girl that get violent. That’s a trap.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Practice vomiting on yourself at will. Who wants to punch, grab, or roll around with some dude covered in vomit? Now that’s street smarts!

I’m sure I have actually read that in a self defence manual somewhere. How freaked out would the mugger when your reaction to them pulling a gun was to start shoving your fingers down your own throat.[/quote]

It’s highly effective. Let me just tell you, yessiree. Though perhaps not on the ranged weapon toting highwayman.

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If I see a chick getting whaled on I quickly jump in and try to grab a boob!

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I’m sure you do fightnews lol
lol im with irish on i don’t care if a guy is gettin his shit kicked in. Maybe he deserved it? If I see 2 guys RANDOMLY attack an innocent man. Then I’ll step up. But if I dunno what the fuck is goin, then no.

Example like this one time there was this guy who stole a bunch of shit from this italian kid…well this italin kid had a big fuckin family full of big cousins and brothers. so they saw him on the street, I was with the italian kid. They rolled up in the car, grabbed him, held him, and did the business. Someone watching might see them as the bad person, but in reality the man got what he deserved…don’t step in unless you know FOR SURE lol.

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Being held up at an ATM machine at gun point , tought me one thing about myself. I actually did not “freeze up” like most/average people do in such a situation. But eventhough i can fight well, there was not one millisecond I thought about engaging.

Suprisingly most of my friends explained what “tough” thing they would have done do that guy. Hopefully they will never face such situation. Sadly enough my country Holland has become very violent in the last 10-15 years, and i’m seeing no change for the better.

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[quote]NederPolska wrote:
Being held up at an ATM machine at gun point , tought me one thing about myself. I actually did not “freeze up” like most/average people do in such a situation. But eventhough i can fight well, there was not one millisecond I thought about engaging.

Suprisingly most of my friends explained what “tough” thing they would have done do that guy. Hopefully they will never face such situation. Sadly enough my country Holland has become very violent in the last 10-15 years, and i’m seeing no change for the better. [/quote]

The only toughthing your freinds would have done is take a bullet in the face. I,m sure there’s tons of guys on this board that think they would have done some kind of BJJ slash Mr. Miyagi kick but they’re delusional.

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[quote]fightnews10 wrote:
NederPolska wrote:
Being held up at an ATM machine at gun point , tought me one thing about myself. I actually did not “freeze up” like most/average people do in such a situation. But eventhough i can fight well, there was not one millisecond I thought about engaging.

Suprisingly most of my friends explained what “tough” thing they would have done do that guy. Hopefully they will never face such situation. Sadly enough my country Holland has become very violent in the last 10-15 years, and i’m seeing no change for the better.

The only toughthing your freinds would have done is take a bullet in the face. I,m sure there’s tons of guys on this board that think they would have done some kind of BJJ slash Mr. Miyagi kick but they’re delusional.[/quote]

You start your post off by stating exactly what was implicit in NederPolska’s post (thank you captain obvious,) then transition into a statement that bashes this forum even though the evidence (this very fucking thread) runs directly counter to your thoughts. Nicely done.

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I’ve lived a fairly sheltered suburban life, but one story that does sticks out for me…10 years ago a guy in my school faculty decided to break up a fight between two people at a bar near campus…and was rewarded with a 10’ blade in his aorta…

the more I think about it now I think WTF was he thinking about getting into a fight that was none of his business?!?..worse part was that the fight was actually an argument between to drug dealers…

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Did he survive (maybe)?

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yeah man fuck that…if two guys are goin at it, i wouldn’t break it up. I hate when people break it up cause 1) i want to see the shit go down
2) do you really care what happens to either of them?
3) i wouldnt stand inbetween 2 drug dealers EVER! most serious drug dealers will pop you or stab ya lol