I think that No Fear is geared towards extreme sports enthusiasts more.
[quote]drewh wrote:
I think that No Fear is geared towards extreme sports enthusiasts more.[/quote]
I think so too. Just cause someone says “no fear” does not mean they think they are bad asses.
The saying sounds cool and it could be for something else (skydiving, rock climbing, etc).
Let’s not get snobby, people. 
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
drewh wrote:
I think that No Fear is geared towards extreme sports enthusiasts more.
I think so too. Just cause someone says “no fear” does not mean they think they are bad asses.
The saying sounds cool and it could be for something else (skydiving, rock climbing, etc).
Let’s not get snobby, people. :|[/quote]
I don’t think its snobby to dislike the NO FEAR thing. I have done a fair amount of rock climbing, much of it without any protection - and have been pretty afraid a few times.
I was up pretty high without a top rope in 2002, on a reverse grade and got so afraid that I have never never climbed without rope/protection ever since. I don’t know , just my preference, but I see the NO FEAR and think “there is a guy who has never really pushed the envelope”.
But getting back to the original post in this thread - martial arts often confuse young newbies. They think martial arts make them tough on the street. I am not talking about someone who grew up on the street and knows better, or someone who has been in some serious situation. I am talking the young wannabe’s who think martial arts are fighting.
And I am using the term martial arts loosely here. To be a bit more specific we could devide martial activities into 3 subcategories : 1) martial techniques - not good in sport events due to the high risk of injury.
Commonly called “jutsu” in Japanese arts - Jujutsu, Aikijutsu, kenjutsu etc. 2) Martial ways - philosophical methods designed to give insight to the “way” of life (“Tao” in Chinese or “Do” in Japanese). Emphasis is not given to real nitty gritty techniques. Kodokan Judo (pre-Olympic style competition Judo), Aikido, Kendo etc. 3) Martial sports - as the name says, its competitive.
Definately the riskier techniques have been removed (neck throws, joint strikes, pile driving the top of someones head into the floor), and often contestants are devided into weight classes and skill levels (real fights do not recognize being outsized, outskilled or even outnumbered). Pre-Olympic Judo (circa 1880) looked very different than the current Kodokan Olympic competitive style of Judo (post 1920).
So when I say martial arts I should be specific to martial sport - BJJ etc. Many newbies may think learning to roll on the mat will work when some guys with knives are stabbing them and kicking the crap out of them on the glass covered asphalt.
[quote]Zack Nelson wrote:
legendaryblaze wrote:
drewh wrote:
I think that No Fear is geared towards extreme sports enthusiasts more.
I think so too. Just cause someone says “no fear” does not mean they think they are bad asses.
The saying sounds cool and it could be for something else (skydiving, rock climbing, etc).
Let’s not get snobby, people.
I was up pretty high without a top rope in 2002, on a reverse grade and got so afraid that I have never never climbed without rope/protection ever since. I don’t know , just my preference, but I see the NO FEAR and think “there is a guy who has never really pushed the envelope”.
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This is what i mean by snobby.
It’s just a fucking slogan. Are you really going to judge and belittle someone you’ve never met just because (s)he has a shirt or truck that has the slogan “no fear”?
OH MAN THAT GUY HAS A NO FEAR TSHIRT, THAT GUY IS PROBABLY A PUSSY AND DOESNT KNOW TRUE FEAR. I KNOW TRUE FEAR AND I CAN PROVE IT BY NOT WEARING A SHIRT AND BEING TOTALLY SELF CONSCIOUS.
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
This is what i mean by snobby.
It’s just a fucking slogan. Are you really going to judge and belittle someone you’ve never met just because (s)he has a shirt or truck that has the slogan “no fear”?
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Yeah, I kinda am. It just looks silly and ‘brotardy’ to me.
Not that the no fear guys should care what I think. If they like it, they should wear it. Ultimately, it’s a small matter.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
This is for all y’all motherfuckers that believe that these combat sports make us invincible.
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Was this warranted? The assumption that we that combat train are invincible? I’m not invincible Ms.Parker. I’ve had my share of losses in the street and in the ring. But thats besides the point. The point is, anyone that spends any time on the net sees their share of violence and overall unpleasantry. Do we need to be reminded of it here? Better yet, why are we, people that combat train, presumed to be unaware of these things? I come here for info on getting stronger, leaner, and more athletic overall. If I really wanted to hear/read about crime, I think there are better places to find it than this. Irish may just want to feel special and think he’s the be-all-end-all source on all things combat. And thats fine. More power to him. But I can say just about anything I want to say in a public forum just as much as he can re-post news snippets. Contrary to your belief Irish, my post count or the date I joined tnation has nothing to do with my knowledge or experience in the world.
[quote]admbaum wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
This is for all y’all motherfuckers that believe that these combat sports make us invincible.
Was this warranted? The assumption that we that combat train are invincible? I’m not invincible Ms.Parker. I’ve had my share of losses in the street and in the ring. But thats besides the point. The point is, anyone that spends any time on the net sees their share of violence and overall unpleasantry. Do we need to be reminded of it here? Better yet, why are we, people that combat train, presumed to be unaware of these things? I come here for info on getting stronger, leaner, and more athletic overall. If I really wanted to hear/read about crime, I think there are better places to find it than this. Irish may just want to feel special and think he’s the be-all-end-all source on all things combat. And thats fine. More power to him. But I can say just about anything I want to say in a public forum just as much as he can re-post news snippets. Contrary to your belief Irish, my post count or the date I joined tnation has nothing to do with my knowledge or experience in the world. [/quote]
Well, I didn’t really believe you thought you were invincible, admbaum. I was just being a smarty-pants. I will drop the attitude.
To be honest, it just seems that you’re offended both by the theme of this thread & the way Irish delivered it. Because I personally like Irish & see things pretty much as he does, I found the vehemence of your delivery a bit grating, that’s all. I didn’t (and don’t) understand why you were so offended, and why you pursued it when you could have simply ignored the thread.
He stated that the thread was specifically directed at those who do believe that training makes us invincible. As you have stated, that does not describe you, nor does it describe many others on this forum.
However, there are many people who train who do seem to believe this about themselves. A few weeks ago I had a female student tell me that now she knew for sure she could defend herself against a real attack. This scared me a bit, because I consider her to be one of the least capable students in the class. She’d only been training for a couple of months at that point, too.
Have you not found this to be a common misconception among people who either have been training for a very short period, who do not know how it feels to be repeatedly hit hard, or who haven’t yet trained with someone far better than they? I certainly have. I’m sorry to say I once had that attitude myself, until I had it beaten out of me during sparring.
Too bad you arent a moderator and can remove said posts huh? Its also too bad that you think I would comply with anything you “ordered” me to do. I mean really, man. You actually believe that someone would do something just because you said so? You give yourself too much credit man. I see where you are coming from but I dont understand why things like that cause you so much grief.
Just dont contribute to those threads, and after a few days, poof…they’re gone. I know you dont need me telling you this since you have so much experience with posting online. The MA vs MA debate is long running, that’s why we have MMA. But MMA has been watered down over the years to conform to more “humane” standards so its usefulness in settling the debate is as moot and the debate itself. So why let all that aggravation into your world? Don’t contribute to threads that exasperate you. Its that simple.
EDIT: same logic can be applied for myself however, I made a statement, someone didnt like it and decided to lash out at me, and I defended what I thought.
Very Nice Ms P.
admhum why get so excited, why so quick to get hasty
Particularly when you have not made the most endearing comments.
Once you start to teach or coach you will find allot of kids wanting to learn shit to fuck people up.
Teach me the real shit.
Oh not so long ago most people started some kind of training either in the weight room, at HS or at the mcdojo
to protect themselves or lift cause they where small.
This thread is a natural discussion in the right forum- about how what we do - or like to watch and read about- how real violence can happen and how it correlates or doesn’t relate to what we do.
To further go on about MS.P post If your offended, you don’t have to read or post in threads you don’t like.
I tend not too.
To go on Irishe’s post about most new people on this board or any board tend to sound out before they listen.
Its a great way to make long impressions about yourself. It seems you get very excited to denounce
any ideas that you think invalid, pretty strongly.
Its tiring to read.
Maybe you dont intend to do so- but that is how is comes across.
I was new, both here, else where and in training- Its hard to read what people write who have been training
for two years. and seem to post nothing that is not argumentative.
the more I read on this section, I realize Jay-Z was right
A wise man said don’t argue with Fools
From a distance people cant tell who is who.
[quote]admbaum wrote:
Too bad you arent a moderator and can remove said posts huh? Its also too bad that you think I would comply with anything you “ordered” me to do. I mean really, man. You actually believe that someone would do something just because you said so? You give yourself too much credit man. I see where you are coming from but I dont understand why things like that cause you so much grief.
Just dont contribute to those threads, and after a few days, poof…they’re gone. I know you dont need me telling you this since you have so much experience with posting online. The MA vs MA debate is long running, that’s why we have MMA. But MMA has been watered down over the years to conform to more “humane” standards so its usefulness in settling the debate is as moot and the debate itself. So why let all that aggravation into your world? Don’t contribute to threads that exasperate you. Its that simple.
EDIT: same logic can be applied for myself however, I made a statement, someone didnt like it and decided to lash out at me, and I defended what I thought.[/quote]
Are you an adult? You keep contradicting yourself to no end. No one decided to lash out at you…you unnecessarily lashed out at this thread and its contributors. If you had followed the hypocritical post above…there would have been no need to lash out at you.
You should have checked your attitude(and your knowledge) before you decided to go out of your way to label this thread as “asinine.” Stop being so self-righteous and ASSUME that EVERYONE that trains MA/MMA knows what you know about violence. Those emphasized words are why this thread was started. Good grief,you are dense. Almost to the point that it’s hard to believe that you SERIOUSLY train. A person that seriously trains can’t really be this naive and arrogant.
is someones opinion more tiring to read than a wall 'o text on stuff we get bombarded with in everyday life? I do train people in fact (as if I need to qualify myself here). I hear the same UFC black belt bad asses you guys are referring to, but I dont train them. I chose my my students and battles.
Defending what I think is a battle I hardly ever back down from regardless of how trivial and stupid I believe the subject is. And just so you know, the 2 years of training I mention refers to the 2 years I’ve been lifting and trying to improve my strength. This is a body building site, remember? I’ve been kickboxing and learning MA’s off and on throughout my life. My dad’s military and so was g-dad on both sides. Combat runs in the family.
[quote]admbaum wrote:
is someones opinion more tiring to read than a wall 'o text on stuff we get bombarded with in everyday life? I do train people in fact (as if I need to qualify myself here). I hear the same UFC black belt bad asses you guys are referring to, but I dont train them. I chose my my students and battles.
Defending what I think is a battle I hardly ever back down from regardless of how trivial and stupid I believe the subject is. And just so you know, the 2 years of training I mention refers to the 2 years I’ve been lifting and trying to improve my strength. This is a body building site, remember? I’ve been kickboxing and learning MA’s off and on throughout my life. My dad’s military and so was g-dad on both sides. Combat runs in the family. [/quote]
If you have only been lifing for two years, then I don’t think any of your trainers did you any services.
If your an adult and your training your own students, then this kind of drivel from you
is even sillier, but keep going,
keep posting,
your just painting a clearer picture of what an ass, you are.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
admbaum wrote:
My dad’s military and so was g-dad on both sides. Combat runs in the family.
For the record, this doesn’t mean shit. No one cares that grandpa was in a war. Doesn’t give you any credibility whatsoever.[/quote]
And your credibility comes from your post count and join date? hahahahahahahahaha
If you took the time to read the first post I made in your stupid little public service announcement, you would have drawn the conclusion, a skill most people get in school, that I was agreeing with you in that MA’s aren’t the answer to street violence. And I was also pointing out that this wasn’t a new occurrence and most people hear about this kind of stuff everyday.
The first thing that should come out of the mouths of any instructor that has any sense, is to tell people that they should escape before attempting anything that they taught. I’ve said this same thing in many different threads that you keep re-hashing.
I made mention of my family because someone mentioned the 2 years of training I put on my profile. 1 line above the only thing you absorbed, I put in the qualifyer of the why and the how of my training. I know…you dont care, but clearly you do, why else would you have commented on it? Anyone that thinks their black belt in whatever art they study is gonna keep them safe in the streets is foolish. But its better to be prepared to do something than unprepared to do nothing.
Boss…I know, shame on me for not accepting that not everyone knows to escape dangerous situations. Fight or flight is ingrained into the psyche of every human on the planet. Most pick flight over fight but apparently there are a few that have now been enlighten by Irish, that fighting is not the answer. Thank you Irish. I hope you sleep better at night now.
/my contribution GFY