This one is for some of the more experienced users here. I am always hearing people doing well over a gram of anabolics and am curious as to what some of the people on here are doing. I personally have been able to grow very easily on the cycles I have done and don’t see my self ever going over a gram. My last cycle was 700 mg of anabolics not including the orals in the beginning of the cycle. And I was just able to put on muscle so easily that I don’t see myself going over a gram ever. I’ll probably play around with which AAS I use but still never go over that amount.
On a person to person basis, the more muscle you carry the more AAS you need to keep getting significantly bigger. THere is no direct proportion or anything like that though.
So essentially it could be an indicator of how big you are growing?
Although many people might whinge at me for posting this, il say it in the hopes of raising some discussion:
I have read on several other boards (and at times from actual IFBB Pros who are not just shit-talking) that (for non-beginners obviously) “more is more” when it comes to gear, even though people like to argue that “less is more”
ie. that if you are an advanced trainer and can tolerate the sides, 2g/week test will produce more gains than 1g/week test and so on, and 3g/week more than 2/g and so on
More is more. But the law of diminiishing returns absolutely applies. You may get twice the gains going from 1g per week to 2g. But you probably wont double your gains going from 2g/wk to 4g
There is a point for most of us where more is just more. Where that point is varies from individual to individual. For some 1000mg is better than 500 and 1500mg is better than 1000mg. However, 2000mg didnt really do anything better for me than 1500mg. Equally true you cannot just throw a blanket over all AAS and say 1500mg is better than 1000mg. Because I will say unequivocally I did better on 200mg of test 600mg of tren and 600mg mast a week than I did on 1G of test and 400mg of tren. Same 1400mg but it is somewhat compound selection based as well.
To address the OP, speaking as someone who has run 1500-2000mg a week a lot Im just hitting 500mg test and 400mg mast right now. In part by choice and in part due to supply.
Ive never gone over 2g a week.
Highest Ive ran was 1750mg/week total.
Then again I’m sitting at 230 or so, so I cant really say much about higher doses = more growth on the high end of the spectrum like the 270-280 guys can.
I will be experimenting with much higher doses of tren soon, currently I haven’t gone over 500mg/week.
Should be interesting.
Saps Have you noticed significant differences when running mast with the tren, seems tren would be a similar but more effective drug in most respects. I know we have seen some guys run up to 1200mg of tren and 300mg of test and love it.
Have any comparisons on 600 tren and 600 mast with test verses just a shitload of tren with test ?
1 gram a week is alot of gear. I’m at 6"4 and 260 right now, have never gone over 1 gram per week until now. I’m running an amp of sust EOD and that is still right on the edge of 1g/week.
Use the lowest does you need to get the maximum amount of results.
I would venture that almost all of us could probably get better results during our cycles if we did everything else better (IE more/better food, more sleep, better training, etc)
If you got great results on 700mg last time, try it again. You can always go up if you feel like you’ve stalled.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
Ive never gone over 2g a week.
Highest Ive ran was 1750mg/week total.
Then again I’m sitting at 230 or so, so I cant really say much about higher doses = more growth on the high end of the spectrum like the 270-280 guys can.
I will be experimenting with much higher doses of tren soon, currently I haven’t gone over 500mg/week.
Should be interesting.
Saps Have you noticed significant differences when running mast with the tren, seems tren would be a similar but more effective drug in most respects. I know we have seen some guys run up to 1200mg of tren and 300mg of test and love it.
Have any comparisons on 600 tren and 600 mast with test verses just a shitload of tren with test ?
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I’ve never ran more than the 600mg/wk of tren I did so I cannot compare that with 600mg of mast to just a straight 1200mg of tren. What I have done is run test and tren without mast and mast and test without tren. When running all three together I notice strength is greatest and ability to stay lean is the greatest. Since coming off tren but staying on mast I have lost strength and I am a tad less vascular. Tren is so damn potent I would not hesitate to say tren-test is better, more effective than test-mast. However, equally true all three together is my favorite. Mast really helps me out in terms of libido and sex drive and tren does not. So while tren is great it must be cared for adequately with ancillaries.
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
1 gram a week is alot of gear. I’m at 6"4 and 260 right now, have never gone over 1 gram per week until now. I’m running an amp of sust EOD and that is still right on the edge of 1g/week.
Use the lowest does you need to get the maximum amount of results.
I would venture that almost all of us could probably get better results during our cycles if we did everything else better (IE more/better food, more sleep, better training, etc)
If you got great results on 700mg last time, try it again. You can always go up if you feel like you’ve stalled.
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Solid advice there and I concur. I’m also using less than a gram of injectables a week right now and seeing as good or better results [minus absolute strength] than when I ran 1500+ a week. Most of this is due to just being smarter. 1G is not just 1G. For example, I’d much rather run 750mg/wk tren and 250mg/wk test than 1G of test. Tailor your compounds for the results you desire.
I’ve used over 2g’s/week and the sides were unacceptable compared to the added benefit. I have found that my “sweet spot” lies in the 1200-1600 mg/week range, meaning, the best quality gains in relation to minimal sides. I’ve also noticed that stacking a couple different AAS at moderate doses to get my total mg is a much better approach than just banging a bunch of test or something similar in simplistic nature. That all being said, everyone is different and has different tolerances, but I definitely prefer moderate doses of a few compounds stacked up in the previously mentioned range at this point in my AAS use.
[quote]juice20jd wrote:
I’ve used over 2g’s/week and the sides were unacceptable compared to the added benefit. I have found that my “sweet spot” lies in the 1200-1600 mg/week range, meaning, the best quality gains in relation to minimal sides. I’ve also noticed that stacking a couple different AAS at moderate doses to get my total mg is a much better approach than just banging a bunch of test or something similar in simplistic nature. That all being said, everyone is different and has different tolerances, but I definitely prefer moderate doses of a few compounds stacked up in the previously mentioned range at this point in my AAS use.[/quote]
Thats a virtual ditto not just for me but for so many of us “vets” of 5+ cycles. While I whole-heartedly concur about the range and variance like a Bell curve the sweet spot as you called it definitely seems to be about where you place it once you’ve been around the block enough. Also a big 10-4 on selecting multiple compounds at moderate dose over mega dosing any one thing