So what would happen if for their first cycle, someone took Test Prop or Test Susp (or any short-estered T) at a gram/wk? What problems would they run into? Would they be able to do it for a few weeks? Who here has run a g/wk and how did it feel?
*By no means do I plan on doing this. I just hear some newbs thinking they can do it and it really made me curious
I’ve heard of people running 800 mg tren and 800 mg test per week. 1000mg test isn’t going to hurt unless they are not prepared with an AI, PCT, or if they simply cant handle that dose for whatever unique reason.
Test is one of those steroids, if used with an AI, is very easily tolerated.
No sides, you don’t feel like your on something, you just feel good, and strong, and happy.
Your body is made to produce and run on test, it tolerates even extreme levels of it with ease.
Where people run into problems with it is if they dont control estrogen.
My friend did 600mg prop, 600mg primo and 200mg masteron a week for 12 weeks for his first cycle (plus nolvadex and clomid for pct ) and he made some great gains. He was 29 when he did this cycle and had about 15 years natural training behind him (boxing, ski-ing and weight training) on top of that he’s a mesomorph,so is genetically gifted, but he put the work in and got the results.
He suffered no ill effects at all from this cycle, but got some quite bad back spots (not acne) when he was using (on a different cycle) 100mg prop every other day and 10iu of HGH every other day (he actually gained more from this cycle than the one outlined above, even though he lost most of his gains after pct, probably because he had reached his genetic limit, and it seems he’s very sensitive to gear,plus maybe muscle memory played a part in the second cycle?
just a theory) he admitted that he hadn’t been using his adex (which I specifically instructed him to use) during this second cycle, though he didn’t experience any gyno, I remember Bonez and BBB (plus many other vet’s here) telling us that unregulated E levels can cause these skin problems.
In answer to your question above, I have used a gram of test a week, and it felt great, personally, my biggest fear would be a severe acne breakout, not gyno as I would be using adex and wouldn’t dream of doing it if i didn’t have any.
The 2 on 4 off cycle if i remember correctly) uses 1 gram a week of prop for 2 weeks then 4 off, plus use of AI, I see no reason why a newbie could not use this, though I have never heard of it used as a first cycle or heard of any of the vets suggest it as a first cycle. I have procrastinated over using it many times but cant face injecting 20cc of prop in 2 weeks, though typing this has just prompted me to go back and re read it as it is some thing I have intended to give a try for a long time.
I myself used 1g of Test Enanthate/week for my first cycle. Adex is very important!! It’s still going to cause some bloat and water weight, but to control acne, and even hair loss it is vastly important.
I kept my cycle at 6 weeks. Gained around 22lbs 9 of which stuck around as quality gains after PCT with Nolvadex.
[quote]Randizo wrote:
I myself used 1g of Test Enanthate/week for my first cycle. Adex is very important!! It’s still going to cause some bloat and water weight, but to control acne, and even hair loss it is vastly important.
I kept my cycle at 6 weeks. Gained around 22lbs 9 of which stuck around as quality gains after PCT with Nolvadex.[/quote]
Ouch, that’s alot of water weight, bet that wasn’t fun to watch in the PCT on the scale, although 9 solid pounds in 6 weeks is certainly nothing to sneer at.
Running the adex higher will prevent the water weight, so that at the end of the cycle you only lose 3-4 pounds.
Its not really better, its just less of a mind fuck.
Wow, I’m really surprised at these responses.I’ve read many recommendations for newbies to AAS to stay around the 500mg/wk mark, at the most. What’s the reasoning behind this then? Why wouldn’t it be encouraged for someone who will potentially make the best cycle gains of their life to just jump up to the 1g/wk mark?
Have any of you felt like you were taking too much to handle at any point and had to lower the dose? What would it feel like to have too much? I know with some, like Tren, you get night sweats. Baldness is another potential side I can think of… What else would put someone off of just cranking the doses? (aside from money)
[quote]Westclock wrote:
[quote]Randizo wrote:
I myself used 1g of Test Enanthate/week for my first cycle. Adex is very important!! It’s still going to cause some bloat and water weight, but to control acne, and even hair loss it is vastly important.
I kept my cycle at 6 weeks. Gained around 22lbs 9 of which stuck around as quality gains after PCT with Nolvadex.[/quote]
Ouch, that’s alot of water weight, bet that wasn’t fun to watch in the PCT on the scale, although 9 solid pounds in 6 weeks is certainly nothing to sneer at.
Running the adex higher will prevent the water weight, so that at the end of the cycle you only lose 3-4 pounds.
Its not really better, its just less of a mind fuck.[/quote]
Yes indeed my friend, I was like the Pillsbury Doughboy!!
Strength was great, clothes no longer fit, and I ate like a horse…
Still not sure I like what happened to myself on that cycle.
its ok to take a gram/wk, but i dont think a newbie should do it, because this will lead him to steriod ABUSE not proper steroid use. if he’s a newbie and he starts with 1 gram/wk. how much will he need on his 3rd or 4th cycle then. its always better not to raise one’s tolerance in everything.
man some ex pro bodybuilder cycle a gram of test and around 600mgs of deca per week (of season)and they r good to go. more is not the answer. its the cycle(good steroid combos)and the diet.
just an opinion
[quote]Nidal AK wrote:
its ok to take a gram/wk, but i dont think a newbie should do it, because this will lead him to steriod ABUSE not proper steroid use. if he’s a newbie and he starts with 1 gram/wk. how much will he need on his 3rd or 4th cycle then. its always better not to raise one’s tolerance in everything.
man some ex pro bodybuilder cycle a gram of test and around 600mgs of deca per week (of season)and they r good to go. more is not the answer. its the cycle(good steroid combos)and the diet.
just an opinion[/quote]
It may be your opinion but some of the info is plain wrong. People don’t develop tolerances to steroids. The reason people use greater amounts of AAS in later cycles is because the person has likely gotten bigger. It takes more hormonal assistance to support the current muscle and build new muscle. That’s a lot difference than developing a tolerance. If someone runs 1g per week and gains 5lbs then comes off and loses all 5 he will easily be able to run a 500mg/wk cycle and gain a ton of weight with proper diet, training and PCT.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Nidal AK wrote:
its ok to take a gram/wk, but i dont think a newbie should do it, because this will lead him to steriod ABUSE not proper steroid use. if he’s a newbie and he starts with 1 gram/wk. how much will he need on his 3rd or 4th cycle then. its always better not to raise one’s tolerance in everything.
man some ex pro bodybuilder cycle a gram of test and around 600mgs of deca per week (of season)and they r good to go. more is not the answer. its the cycle(good steroid combos)and the diet.
just an opinion[/quote]
It may be your opinion but some of the info is plain wrong. People don’t develop tolerances to steroids. The reason people use greater amounts of AAS in later cycles is because the person has likely gotten bigger. It takes more hormonal assistance to support the current muscle and build new muscle. That’s a lot difference than developing a tolerance. If someone runs 1g per week and gains 5lbs then comes off and loses all 5 he will easily be able to run a 500mg/wk cycle and gain a ton of weight with proper diet, training and PCT. [/quote]
thank god only SOME of the info is wrong not all of it. but come on BONEZ, do u think the amount of muscle that’s on a newbie’s body would need a gram/wk or there will be an over flow? what will happen if u have extra amounts of steroid that ur body doesn’t use (over supply), assuming u r using an AI? (i dunno the answer and that’s y im asking)
[quote]Randizo wrote:
[quote]Westclock wrote:
[quote]Randizo wrote:
I myself used 1g of Test Enanthate/week for my first cycle. Adex is very important!! It’s still going to cause some bloat and water weight, but to control acne, and even hair loss it is vastly important.
I kept my cycle at 6 weeks. Gained around 22lbs 9 of which stuck around as quality gains after PCT with Nolvadex.[/quote]
Ouch, that’s alot of water weight, bet that wasn’t fun to watch in the PCT on the scale, although 9 solid pounds in 6 weeks is certainly nothing to sneer at.
Running the adex higher will prevent the water weight, so that at the end of the cycle you only lose 3-4 pounds.
Its not really better, its just less of a mind fuck.[/quote]
Yes indeed my friend, I was like the Pillsbury Doughboy!!
Strength was great, clothes no longer fit, and I ate like a horse…
Still not sure I like what happened to myself on that cycle.[/quote]
Shit man, what a letdown that must’ve been. But like Westclock said, at least you still got good gains!
What do you think was the cause of that? Just not enough adex dosing?
[quote]Nidal AK wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Nidal AK wrote:
its ok to take a gram/wk, but i dont think a newbie should do it, because this will lead him to steriod ABUSE not proper steroid use. if he’s a newbie and he starts with 1 gram/wk. how much will he need on his 3rd or 4th cycle then. its always better not to raise one’s tolerance in everything.
man some ex pro bodybuilder cycle a gram of test and around 600mgs of deca per week (of season)and they r good to go. more is not the answer. its the cycle(good steroid combos)and the diet.
just an opinion[/quote]
It may be your opinion but some of the info is plain wrong. People don’t develop tolerances to steroids. The reason people use greater amounts of AAS in later cycles is because the person has likely gotten bigger. It takes more hormonal assistance to support the current muscle and build new muscle. That’s a lot difference than developing a tolerance. If someone runs 1g per week and gains 5lbs then comes off and loses all 5 he will easily be able to run a 500mg/wk cycle and gain a ton of weight with proper diet, training and PCT. [/quote]
thank god only SOME of the info is wrong not all of it. but come on BONEZ, do u think the amount of muscle that’s on a newbie’s body would need a gram/wk or there will be an over flow? what will happen if u have extra amounts of steroid that ur body doesn’t use (over supply), assuming u r using an AI? (i dunno the answer and that’s y im asking)[/quote]
I never said anything about what a noob NEEDS. Why are you insinuating that I did? There are so many different variables involved with how much AAS someone should use it’s pretty much an impossible discussion to have unless on a case to case basis. Re-read my post. I did not attack you, I just pointed out that your opinion about building a tolerance is wrong.
Overflow?? What are you talking about? I dont even know how to answer that question, it doesn;t make sense.
I also think you are confused about how these drugs work. The body doesn’t “use” exogenous testosterone any differently than naturally produced T. All of the T injected into the body will have an effect. It’s not as if there is a reservoir of T that gets filled up at a certain point and then anything after that gets excreted. It doesn’t work like that at all.
And please speak English, this isn’t a text message.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Nidal AK wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Nidal AK wrote:
its ok to take a gram/wk, but i dont think a newbie should do it, because this will lead him to steriod ABUSE not proper steroid use. if he’s a newbie and he starts with 1 gram/wk. how much will he need on his 3rd or 4th cycle then. its always better not to raise one’s tolerance in everything.
man some ex pro bodybuilder cycle a gram of test and around 600mgs of deca per week (of season)and they r good to go. more is not the answer. its the cycle(good steroid combos)and the diet.
just an opinion[/quote]
It may be your opinion but some of the info is plain wrong. People don’t develop tolerances to steroids. The reason people use greater amounts of AAS in later cycles is because the person has likely gotten bigger. It takes more hormonal assistance to support the current muscle and build new muscle. That’s a lot difference than developing a tolerance. If someone runs 1g per week and gains 5lbs then comes off and loses all 5 he will easily be able to run a 500mg/wk cycle and gain a ton of weight with proper diet, training and PCT. [/quote]
thank god only SOME of the info is wrong not all of it. but come on BONEZ, do u think the amount of muscle that’s on a newbie’s body would need a gram/wk or there will be an over flow? what will happen if u have extra amounts of steroid that ur body doesn’t use (over supply), assuming u r using an AI? (i dunno the answer and that’s y im asking)[/quote]
I never said anything about what a noob NEEDS. Why are you insinuating that I did? There are so many different variables involved with how much AAS someone should use it’s pretty much an impossible discussion to have unless on a case to case basis. Re-read my post. I did not attack you, I just pointed out that your opinion about building a tolerance is wrong.
Overflow?? What are you talking about? I dont even know how to answer that question, it doesn;t make sense.
I also think you are confused about how these drugs work. The body doesn’t “use” exogenous testosterone any differently than naturally produced T. All of the T injected into the body will have an effect. It’s not as if there is a reservoir of T that gets filled up at a certain point and then anything after that gets excreted. It doesn’t work like that at all.
And please speak English, this isn’t a text message. [/quote]
PLEASE dont take it personal BONEZ. I am just try to learn from you and from other vets as much as i can.
I am not trying to argue. I am just trying to understand.
Thank you for all the info you are posting.
[quote]Nidal AK wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Nidal AK wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Nidal AK wrote:
its ok to take a gram/wk, but i dont think a newbie should do it, because this will lead him to steriod ABUSE not proper steroid use. if he’s a newbie and he starts with 1 gram/wk. how much will he need on his 3rd or 4th cycle then. its always better not to raise one’s tolerance in everything.
man some ex pro bodybuilder cycle a gram of test and around 600mgs of deca per week (of season)and they r good to go. more is not the answer. its the cycle(good steroid combos)and the diet.
just an opinion[/quote]
It may be your opinion but some of the info is plain wrong. People don’t develop tolerances to steroids. The reason people use greater amounts of AAS in later cycles is because the person has likely gotten bigger. It takes more hormonal assistance to support the current muscle and build new muscle. That’s a lot difference than developing a tolerance. If someone runs 1g per week and gains 5lbs then comes off and loses all 5 he will easily be able to run a 500mg/wk cycle and gain a ton of weight with proper diet, training and PCT. [/quote]
thank god only SOME of the info is wrong not all of it. but come on BONEZ, do u think the amount of muscle that’s on a newbie’s body would need a gram/wk or there will be an over flow? what will happen if u have extra amounts of steroid that ur body doesn’t use (over supply), assuming u r using an AI? (i dunno the answer and that’s y im asking)[/quote]
I never said anything about what a noob NEEDS. Why are you insinuating that I did? There are so many different variables involved with how much AAS someone should use it’s pretty much an impossible discussion to have unless on a case to case basis. Re-read my post. I did not attack you, I just pointed out that your opinion about building a tolerance is wrong.
Overflow?? What are you talking about? I dont even know how to answer that question, it doesn;t make sense.
I also think you are confused about how these drugs work. The body doesn’t “use” exogenous testosterone any differently than naturally produced T. All of the T injected into the body will have an effect. It’s not as if there is a reservoir of T that gets filled up at a certain point and then anything after that gets excreted. It doesn’t work like that at all.
And please speak English, this isn’t a text message. [/quote]
PLEASE dont take it personal BONEZ. I am just try to learn from you and from other vets as much as i can.
I am not trying to argue. I am just trying to understand.
Thank you for all the info you are posting.[/quote]
I didn’t take it as an arugment. I was just being straight with you.
I have used 700mg just test /week and over 2 grams total AAS/week having much less sides on the heavier cycle.
But if i did the heavy cycle straight up…it would have been a disaster.
Generally I think newb’s should start 5-700mg Test with frontload just to get a feel for aas…
different pinning - eod, 2x week.
Sides - moodswings, BP, insomnia, etc
And when they know how to manipulate sides and ancilliaries and what they can tolerate and how they gain go from there.
U get sides, research them, u figure out how to lower them (some of us) etc…
JMHO
Everyone has a different response to AAS…test or other compounds.
I can use 500mg of test and unless I use an AI I blow up fast with water weight and get gyno issues…some guys can run 1g/w and it is perfectly fine, no sides at all. I do not tolerate 1g/w of test even with high doses of AIs.
The flip side is that I get very good gains on fairly low doses of gear where some guys need to be up over a gram of total AAS to get good gains…I think my body is just more sensitive to hormones in general.
You don’t know which category you fit into until you jab a pin full of test in your ass and see what happens. This is the reason I usually advise people to start at 500mg/w (since that is generally well accepted by everyone and should produce good gains) and see how they react…if all is good (no sides) but you aren’t growing that fast and you want to try more then you try more until you find out how much is too much and then you back down. The key is being prepared for dealing with sides so you don’t get fucked up.