This is my first time posting on this board, but I’ve been scoping it out for a while.
I was hoping to get some advice from some of you more experienced folks as I look towards my first cycle in over 10 years.
I’m 37, 6’2", 290 lbs, high teens bf% (18-19%). I’ve been working out off and on since high school (but very steady for the last 2.5 years) and did a couple short cycles of sustanon back in the mid 90’s (8 weekers, didn’t know anything about PCT). I gain fast, but
The two guys that I’m working out with are both trainers, mid 20’s, around 190-200 and pretty cut. They don’t know much about gear though and wanted to go with a straight deca cycle. I’ve been researching for a while, and while no expert, know that deca alone is not too cool.
I guess what I’m interested in, is what would your recommendation be for a cycle for the three of us. With those guys wanting to put on quality mass and me not needing size as much as leaning out, is there one thing that would work for all of us or are we looking at different “ingredients”?
I’ve seen a lot of posts recommending 500mg of Test E for 12 weeks or so for beginners, so I was considering that, but we’ve been tossing out ideas of stacking Test E (500mg) with Equipoise (400mg), Deca (200-400mg) or possibly Tren E (200-300mg).
Someone recommended that if I was prone to water retention that I may want to consider .25mg of liquidex EOD/E3D on cycle and I was thinking of that as well.
If anyone has any suggestions/questions/warnings, I appreciate your input. Sorry about the long post, but thanks in advance for any help.
Well IMO you probaly dont need such high doses (1g+ of total gear a week). Around the 500-700mg mark is more than fine.
Unless you know how you react to Tren, most would recommand trying out Tren Acetate first, cause it’s fast out of your system.
AND that’s what I’d recommand for YOU -hypothetically. Tren totally kills your appetite and is amazing at nutrient partioning. You’ll eat less, lose fat… and grow muscles at the same time. The trick is to have a very high protein diet (while on the juice and even more so on Tren, not all the time!).
Stack that with Test E, and use the Tren for first 4 weeks, and Test throughout for the whole 8-12 weeks, then use Prisoner’s test taper to come off. All IMHO. Check out other advice.
It seems many people recommend 500mg of Test E/week. Would you suggest that I stick with that?
Also, what dosage of Tren A would you recommend for those first 4 weeks? I seem to recall hearing folks taking 50mg or so ED/EOD… does that sound correct?
Because I dont want to lose my hair and because I believe stacking gear gives good results with less sides, I’d go for 200mg of Test + 400mg of EQ, or 300mg of each, instead of 500-600mg of pure test, but that’s just me. And EQ is great for collagen (connective tissus) while Test is not.
For some people EQ gives them ravenous appetites so it would make it hard to diet but at 300-400mg I dont think that’s an issue.
As for Tren A, even 40mg EOD will give amazing results. Note that most vets here recommand injecting TrenA ED, not EOD, but again at 40mg it probably is less of an issue that if you use higher amounts. Some people use HUGE amounts of gear and while it will be more efficent for gains, you get so much more potential side effects that it’s not worth it IMO. Especially with your goals.
I too was out of the juice game for many years so I understand your position. Prepare to feel young again - and very horny!
I’ve seen people say to take more test than deca when they are stacking those two (to keep from getting shut down). If I’m stacking EQ and Test is there a specific ratio that I should consider?
I was thinking about going 250mg of Test E and 200-250mg of EQ to take it easy this first time back, any comments on that?
Personally, if this is your first cycle ever, or if it has been a decade since you last ventured to the dark side, I would recommend a test only cycle such as 10-12 weeks on Test E.
Diet will determine what you get out of the cycle, but at your age - I can tell you from experience that you will feel like a new man, regardless of your physique goals.
Do just one compound for the first time, then start stacking after that. Why? Because if you stack two or more compounds together, and you have bad sides, you will not know which steroid is causing it. This is more to avoid frustration during your cycle.
Just on the first page of the forum there are 3 threads about PCT, including the famous “P-22 Test Tapering Thread” one.
“Diet will determine what you get out of the cycle, but at your age - I can tell you from experience that you will feel like a new man, regardless of your physique goals.”
So true!
Though I know the popular advice is straight Test, they are data suggesting Test is actually bad for tendons, but Deca and EQ is great.
So to me it makes sense for both lowering sides and for getting greater overall benefits on the same mg of gear used, to stack 2 injectables. Test is the best for using alone, no doubt. Deca alone=Deca dick. I’ve never used Deca, and from what I’ve read I wouldnt touch it unless you use Test also.
But franky, at 37, 500mg of anything will be a huge improvement over nothing. Coming off is important as well. You want to keep most gains after you’re done, and while “you’ll get back to your age” when you come off, you dont want to feel like crap for 2-3 weeks.
So if I was to go with 1 ml of Test E and 1 ml of EQ per week (test E is 250mg, EQ is either 200 or 250mg), would this be a worthwhile go at it for my first time back in a while?
Would you separate the injections or just inject all at once one day per week?
Thanks again for your responses. I’ve seen a couple people get lambasted for using only 250mg of Test E as their cycle. People seem to say they’re wasting their gear if they do low doses like that.
Does it change if you are doing 250mg of test e and 300mg of EQ? That’s what I’m planning right now to keep my total volume around half a gram…
“I’ve seen a couple people get lambasted for using only 250mg of Test E as their cycle”
Because you are supressed yet have little gains to show for it. At 500-750mg of TOTAL gear a week you are in a “sweet spot” of pretty good gains with very few sides.
At 1g+, your gains increase by say 25% over a lower dose, but your sides increase by 100%. IMO. That’s not undisputable fact.
A lot of people like the 500-750mg range, other swear by megadosing, almost all agree that 250mg is a no fun zone. Yet Bill Roberts has witnessed some people that actually do well on 250mg, but those are few and far between.
It depends how you react and what are YOUR GOALS. You seem to want to keep or increase lean mass while cutting lots of flab. IMO you dont need tons of gear to do that. Diet IS key as well!