I went and saw my family doctor today for unrelated stuff and we started talking about my hcg. He said the doctor giving me the mono therapy was “tricky” and has me on the high end of test levels and that I shouldn’t go up anymore. I said "high end for today’s average. "
Anyway.
Mylast three tests were 39,26,33 nmol/l (free test). Average apparently is 8 to 29
He did my bioavailable once and it was 13.4. average is 3 to 13.5
I feel my doctor is wrong but I always get scared when I am told I mite be screwing with my health.
Lol. Tbh I tuned him out a bit. He said stomach issues. Prostate issues. I told him my psa has actually went down and he said psa wasn’t a good test.
Honestly I think he feels competition or something. Still though. Hard not to question urself when a doctor says something. The guy who prescribes my hcg is also a doctor, I know.
This doctor has no idea what he is talking about, I wouldnt listen to him at all. Find a doctor who has real experience with hormone optimization
Prostate cancer danger from testosterone is a complete crap
You told him to get a new doctor that has experience in hormones. It doesnt really matter what his GP says as he is not running the TRT so why find a new doctor that has experience in hormones when he may in fact have one running the trt now?
I told him because he is obviously influenced by the opinion of this GP and his opinion about hormones should not matter at all. And I concluded if he is looking for a second opinion than the doctor prescribing him HCG to get opinion from the right person, not from some complete amateur not knowing what he is talking about.
I’m very sensitive about the doctors topic because I’m sick of incompetent doctors.
That is a good question. In response, back in my competition days, we debated this often but only relative to PED protocols. If 25mg of Dianabol is good, then 30mg is better? How about 50 then, 100mg? However, usually doses were controlled by what you could afford or find. We did acknowledge there had to be a point of diminishing returns, and maybe, a point where more not only does not help, but makes you sick.
We discount lab numbers when we are low (300-500, whatever, ng/dL (250-1100 “normal” range). Why then is over the range an issue, 1200, 1500? Many go with levels that high (assume free testosterone is correspondingly high). We know if you go high enough symptoms will appear. Where that level is varies with everyone.
I do not think your levels were crazy high. I suppose if I had to define that I would say it is 50% over the high end of the range, at trough. Just me though. I think running test that high removes it from the replacement/restoration category, i.e. defined as taking enough to put you at healthy 20 something levels.
Your GP will focus on the numbers. In the end, it’s about how you are feeling and feeling your best without adverse effects.
@NH_Watts Here’s an article that somewhat sums up the recent studies. Basically if you are a healthy adult taking it as a preventative measure it’s no longer advised as the risks outweigh the benefits.
Of the guys I know that have had prostate cancer and required treatment, all of them were found by PSA. They were all deemed fine via the digital exam. There was a multi-country study about 15 years ago that compared all of the known prostate data available. It showed that the digital exam is in fact pointless, and we would all be better off just going by the PSA.
