[quote]MEYMZ wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
60lbsx8 REALLY cheated, haha. I think I’ve done 45lbsx8 with better form.
I think I read that the west the most arnold ever did on it.
I train with 30-20, everyonce in a while I’ve swung up a 35 like 1-3 times.
Wow guys lot of liars in this thread.
you’re saying that if someone lateral raises more than you he’s a liar and you can’t believe him? Dude do you think 30-20 is such an achievement that if so many people are stronger than you they’re lying?[/quote]
[quote]mult1pass wrote:
heh no not shrugs. I would do 90x5 for 3 sets seated one arm. then i would do 2 arm lateral raises with the 75s for 5 reps. form was really good on all sets. I also have front raised the 100 lbs dumbells for 3 reps each arm back in the day. And i weighed 195lbs and 5’9". i was also cycling 500mgs a week of test-e. [/quote] that’s cool bro and I get you, but I wouldn’t get into so much detail in this forum about usage 'cause people seem to be everyday less and less hardcore and will start to bitch about T.
[quote]In my gym which wasnt a powerlifting gym I was pound for pound the strongest guy, but there would alwyas be some random dude popping in that would do more weight then me. I am suprised u are so quick to call me a liar, which is really a tell-tale sign of u being insecure. But hey if u want to call every person a liar who is stronger then u good luck with that.[/quote] agree, specially not being able to do more than 35’s, what the fuck.
[quote]mult1pass wrote:
heh no not shrugs. I would do 90x5 for 3 sets seated one arm. then i would do 2 arm lateral raises with the 75s for 5 reps. form was really good on all sets. I also have front raised the 100 lbs dumbells for 3 reps each arm back in the day. And i weighed 195lbs and 5’9". i was also cycling 500mgs a week of test-e.
In my gym which wasnt a powerlifting gym I was pound for pound the strongest guy, but there would alwyas be some random dude popping in that would do more weight then me. I am suprised u are so quick to call me a liar, which is really a tell-tale sign of u being insecure. But hey if u want to call every person a liar who is stronger then u good luck with that.[/quote]
I didn’t hear anyone call you a liar, but you have to admit that is a lot of weight. You have to expect people to just check and make sure when you talk about lifting a lot of weight. I get it all the time and I take no offense. When someone says, “You’re a liar,” then is the time to get upset, but I think you may have been reading more into what he said than was there and got a little defensive.
[quote]The Austrian Oak wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
The Austrian Oak wrote:
rasturai wrote:
This is off-topic but everyone listen to what Jay Cutler says in the beginning of this vid lol
I’m sorry, but there is something wrong with a person if they want to look like THAT.
He can’t even move normally.
I’m sure being an shw powerlifter with 40 percent bodyfat is a lot more fun than being Jay Cutler…?
He has a wife who supports him in everything he does, he has a ton of money… And once he’s retired, chances are he’ll drop to 240 or something like that.
Was there any particular reason for you to grace us with your highly important opinion, here in the bodybuilding forum and in a thread about lateral raise numbers?
First, that video was completely off topic. The OP states that himself.
Second, I’m not dissing bodybuilding. I’m just saying that when it is taken to that extreme it no longer looks good anymore. I’m sure that you already know that the goal of bodybuilding is not to just simply get as big as possible. I’ve seen many bodybuilders who are smaller than Cutler, but look way better. That’s my point.
That is the last post I am making about this.[/quote]
Who cares?.. I repeat who cares? And in case you didn’t get the point, who cares?
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
The Austrian Oak wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
The Austrian Oak wrote:
rasturai wrote:
This is off-topic but everyone listen to what Jay Cutler says in the beginning of this vid lol
I’m sorry, but there is something wrong with a person if they want to look like THAT.
He can’t even move normally.
I’m sure being an shw powerlifter with 40 percent bodyfat is a lot more fun than being Jay Cutler…?
He has a wife who supports him in everything he does, he has a ton of money… And once he’s retired, chances are he’ll drop to 240 or something like that.
Was there any particular reason for you to grace us with your highly important opinion, here in the bodybuilding forum and in a thread about lateral raise numbers?
First, that video was completely off topic. The OP states that himself.
Second, I’m not dissing bodybuilding. I’m just saying that when it is taken to that extreme it no longer looks good anymore. I’m sure that you already know that the goal of bodybuilding is not to just simply get as big as possible. I’ve seen many bodybuilders who are smaller than Cutler, but look way better. That’s my point.
That is the last post I am making about this.
Who cares?.. I repeat who cares? And in case you didn’t get the point, who cares?[/quote]
take home message: “if you’re a weakling there’s chances that you have still some development, so don’t feel bad, Jay Cutler is the perfect example right?”.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Nyral wrote:
trav123456 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Obviously I am completely unable to function in society.
so I guess the rumours that you can’t dunk a basketball are true
Dude his shoulders ARE basketballs!
lol!
haha, man I used to love playing basketball, played everyday for about 5 years. My buddy plays for LSU now and we played a pick up game everyday after school. I hadn’t shot a basketball in about 3 years, I tried last week and definitely overshot the rim by almost 5 feet.
Anytime you want to see how much stronger you have gotten, go shoot a basketball and see how far you overshoot the rim, it’s a wonderful indicator of progress haha.[/quote]
Running around at 600lbs on pavement doesn’t hurt your knees?
I don’t do laterals. They are bad for my particular shoulder structure.
I do barbell and dumbell presses half way up only.
I do 1-arm dumbell leaning presses all the way up.
I will do 1 arm upright rows (only 1 arm)
And rear delt raises.
i bench 355, deadlift 435. I can not lateral 30 pounds strictly.
Also I wonder, when you do a lateral raise, do the arms rotate over forward or backward? Arnold talked about pouring (rotating forward) but a lot of people tilt the scapula back and rotate backward.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
mult1pass wrote:
heh no not shrugs. I would do 90x5 for 3 sets seated one arm. then i would do 2 arm lateral raises with the 75s for 5 reps. form was really good on all sets. I also have front raised the 100 lbs dumbells for 3 reps each arm back in the day. And i weighed 195lbs and 5’9". i was also cycling 500mgs a week of test-e.
In my gym which wasnt a powerlifting gym I was pound for pound the strongest guy, but there would alwyas be some random dude popping in that would do more weight then me. I am suprised u are so quick to call me a liar, which is really a tell-tale sign of u being insecure. But hey if u want to call every person a liar who is stronger then u good luck with that.
quote:
If you think you are stronger than me you need to put down the crack pipe my friend. I bench pressed 350 when I was 17 years old, I don’t think I’m too worried about you beating my numbers back then let alone 3 years later. -end quote-
/golf clap. then why do you have such a hard time seeing somebody else doing good, heavy lifts?
[quote]mult1pass wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
mult1pass wrote:
heh no not shrugs. I would do 90x5 for 3 sets seated one arm. then i would do 2 arm lateral raises with the 75s for 5 reps. form was really good on all sets. I also have front raised the 100 lbs dumbells for 3 reps each arm back in the day. And i weighed 195lbs and 5’9". i was also cycling 500mgs a week of test-e.
In my gym which wasnt a powerlifting gym I was pound for pound the strongest guy, but there would alwyas be some random dude popping in that would do more weight then me. I am suprised u are so quick to call me a liar, which is really a tell-tale sign of u being insecure. But hey if u want to call every person a liar who is stronger then u good luck with that.
quote:
If you think you are stronger than me you need to put down the crack pipe my friend. I bench pressed 350 when I was 17 years old, I don’t think I’m too worried about you beating my numbers back then let alone 3 years later. -end quote-
/golf clap. then why do you have such a hard time seeing somebody else doing good, heavy lifts?[/quote]
Alright I guess I’ll be the first to say it.
Put up a video of you doing lateral raises with 75lbs or more (with ‘really good form’). I don’t necessarily doubt you 100% just yet but that is more weight than I picture someone 195lbs is capable of (with ‘really good form’). Please don’t give the excuse “I was on AAS so I can’t do it anymore”. If you did 5 reps with 90 then you can still do 5 reps with 75 even if you aren’t on a cycle.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
mult1pass wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
mult1pass wrote:
heh no not shrugs. I would do 90x5 for 3 sets seated one arm. then i would do 2 arm lateral raises with the 75s for 5 reps. form was really good on all sets. I also have front raised the 100 lbs dumbells for 3 reps each arm back in the day. And i weighed 195lbs and 5’9". i was also cycling 500mgs a week of test-e.
In my gym which wasnt a powerlifting gym I was pound for pound the strongest guy, but there would alwyas be some random dude popping in that would do more weight then me. I am suprised u are so quick to call me a liar, which is really a tell-tale sign of u being insecure. But hey if u want to call every person a liar who is stronger then u good luck with that.
quote:
If you think you are stronger than me you need to put down the crack pipe my friend. I bench pressed 350 when I was 17 years old, I don’t think I’m too worried about you beating my numbers back then let alone 3 years later. -end quote-
/golf clap. then why do you have such a hard time seeing somebody else doing good, heavy lifts?
Alright I guess I’ll be the first to say it.
Put up a video of you doing lateral raises with 75lbs or more (with ‘really good form’). I don’t necessarily doubt you 100% just yet but that is more weight than I picture someone 195lbs is capable of (with ‘really good form’). Please don’t give the excuse “I was on AAS so I can’t do it anymore”. If you did 5 reps with 90 then you can still do 5 reps with 75 even if you aren’t on a cycle.
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thank you that post bothered me this am, hey if it’s true great but 95x3 and 75x5…really? at 195lbs no less. i’m 210lbs and i go up to 40lbs but 25-35lb is the range i work in where i use my medial head, over that in weight and it becomes a upright row shrug thing.
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
I don’t do laterals. They are bad for my particular shoulder structure.
I do barbell and dumbell presses half way up only.
I do 1-arm dumbell leaning presses all the way up.
I will do 1 arm upright rows (only 1 arm)
And rear delt raises.
i bench 355, deadlift 435. I can not lateral 30 pounds strictly.
Also I wonder, when you do a lateral raise, do the arms rotate over forward or backward? Arnold talked about pouring (rotating forward) but a lot of people tilt the scapula back and rotate backward.[/quote]
What exactly is the issue with your shoulder structure, and what kind of form/technique do you use for laterals…
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
Also I wonder, when you do a lateral raise, do the arms rotate over forward or backward? Arnold talked about pouring (rotating forward) but a lot of people tilt the scapula back and rotate backward.[/quote]
Most good lifter I know say that your pinkie should be upward during all the lift. And your body with a slight tilt forwards.
I began with them just lately, am doing them with 15’s 3x10. I really prefer dumbell upward rows 33lbs 4x10.
Squat 311 lbs, 140 kg
Deadlift 377 lbs, 170 kg
Bench 233 lbs, 105 kg
@ 168 lbs, 76 kg BW
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
mult1pass wrote:
heh no not shrugs. I would do 90x5 for 3 sets seated one arm. then i would do 2 arm lateral raises with the 75s for 5 reps. form was really good on all sets. I also have front raised the 100 lbs dumbells for 3 reps each arm back in the day. And i weighed 195lbs and 5’9". i was also cycling 500mgs a week of test-e.
In my gym which wasnt a powerlifting gym I was pound for pound the strongest guy, but there would alwyas be some random dude popping in that would do more weight then me. I am suprised u are so quick to call me a liar, which is really a tell-tale sign of u being insecure. But hey if u want to call every person a liar who is stronger then u good luck with that.
I didn’t hear anyone call you a liar, but you have to admit that is a lot of weight. You have to expect people to just check and make sure when you talk about lifting a lot of weight. I get it all the time and I take no offense. When someone says, “You’re a liar,” then is the time to get upset, but I think you may have been reading more into what he said than was there and got a little defensive. [/quote]
Le,
You are a big dude, so your numbers are believable
he said he was 5’9 195, you are 5’8 240
he said he bench pressed 370, and squatted 405 for 3 reps
No one at that size and strength is going to be using 95’s for anything except maybe military press and shrugs
I am 15 pounds away from a 500 lb bench press and I wouldn’t even think about using 95’s. I’ve done 70’s for 6 loose reps but that’s as high as I go.
This dude’s numbers don’t add up my friend. So while I don’t doubt he may have used 95’s for something, it sure as hell wasn’t anything that resembled a lateral raise.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
mult1pass wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
mult1pass wrote:
heh no not shrugs. I would do 90x5 for 3 sets seated one arm. then i would do 2 arm lateral raises with the 75s for 5 reps. form was really good on all sets. I also have front raised the 100 lbs dumbells for 3 reps each arm back in the day. And i weighed 195lbs and 5’9". i was also cycling 500mgs a week of test-e.
In my gym which wasnt a powerlifting gym I was pound for pound the strongest guy, but there would alwyas be some random dude popping in that would do more weight then me. I am suprised u are so quick to call me a liar, which is really a tell-tale sign of u being insecure. But hey if u want to call every person a liar who is stronger then u good luck with that.
quote:
If you think you are stronger than me you need to put down the crack pipe my friend. I bench pressed 350 when I was 17 years old, I don’t think I’m too worried about you beating my numbers back then let alone 3 years later. -end quote-
/golf clap. then why do you have such a hard time seeing somebody else doing good, heavy lifts?
Alright I guess I’ll be the first to say it.
Put up a video of you doing lateral raises with 75lbs or more (with ‘really good form’). I don’t necessarily doubt you 100% just yet but that is more weight than I picture someone 195lbs is capable of (with ‘really good form’). Please don’t give the excuse “I was on AAS so I can’t do it anymore”. If you did 5 reps with 90 then you can still do 5 reps with 75 even if you aren’t on a cycle.
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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Nyral wrote:
trav123456 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Obviously I am completely unable to function in society.
so I guess the rumours that you can’t dunk a basketball are true
Dude his shoulders ARE basketballs!
lol!
haha, man I used to love playing basketball, played everyday for about 5 years. My buddy plays for LSU now and we played a pick up game everyday after school. I hadn’t shot a basketball in about 3 years, I tried last week and definitely overshot the rim by almost 5 feet.
Anytime you want to see how much stronger you have gotten, go shoot a basketball and see how far you overshoot the rim, it’s a wonderful indicator of progress haha.
Running around at 600lbs on pavement doesn’t hurt your knees?[/quote]
haha nah dude, I’m still pretty damn agile. I focused a shit ton on speed/agility when I played football and while I’ve probably lost some quickness, I still have most of it.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
lewhitehurst wrote:
mult1pass wrote:
heh no not shrugs. I would do 90x5 for 3 sets seated one arm. then i would do 2 arm lateral raises with the 75s for 5 reps. form was really good on all sets. I also have front raised the 100 lbs dumbells for 3 reps each arm back in the day. And i weighed 195lbs and 5’9". i was also cycling 500mgs a week of test-e.
In my gym which wasnt a powerlifting gym I was pound for pound the strongest guy, but there would alwyas be some random dude popping in that would do more weight then me. I am suprised u are so quick to call me a liar, which is really a tell-tale sign of u being insecure. But hey if u want to call every person a liar who is stronger then u good luck with that.
I didn’t hear anyone call you a liar, but you have to admit that is a lot of weight. You have to expect people to just check and make sure when you talk about lifting a lot of weight. I get it all the time and I take no offense. When someone says, “You’re a liar,” then is the time to get upset, but I think you may have been reading more into what he said than was there and got a little defensive.
Le,
You are a big dude, so your numbers are believable
he said he was 5’9 195, you are 5’8 240
he said he bench pressed 370, and squatted 405 for 3 reps
No one at that size and strength is going to be using 95’s for anything except maybe military press and shrugs
I am 15 pounds away from a 500 lb bench press and I wouldn’t even think about using 95’s. I’ve done 70’s for 6 loose reps but that’s as high as I go.
This dude’s numbers don’t add up my friend. So while I don’t doubt he may have used 95’s for something, it sure as hell wasn’t anything that resembled a lateral raise.[/quote]
Agreed. Bullshit abounds. I think some of these newer guys underestimate the experience level of the people they are speaking to. I am also not seeing shoulder development on these other guys that justifies all of these claims either. Maybe some of these guys should back off from using in excess of 50lbs for laterals if their side delts are still lacking that much.
I have gone up to 75lbs for laterals back when I was using dumbbells instead of the plate loaded machine I now use…but I am guessing my shoulders actually LOOK LIKE IT.
