I personally have NEVER had any results bringing my arms straight out…I recently switched to machine laterals(where the pads are on your elbows) and I lean slightly toward the machine…I do a drop set or two…and I literally can not lift my arm to the side…I do not get that same feeling with arms straight laterals…
I do my laterals like Larry Scott is showing Francis Benfatto in this video at about 1:30 in. Turn it into a power move and get some heavy stress on those muscles. I never got the results I did with 25 lbs “strict” vs 40-50 lbs “loose” like this. It’s not for everyone but that’s my preferred method.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
btw- the people I see doing them with a true 90* bend are no where near developed. If I saw someone like X or Modok doing this exercise, more power to them, but I never see it. Sure, some have a good bend to the arm, but not a 90* bend
I’m not sure, I don’t carry a protractor with me to the gym…could be 71, 84, or 93 degrees. Also, I just don’t give a shit. Its a fucking lateral raise.[/quote]
maybe you should, it’s called microprotracting, fuck you’ve never heard of it. amateur
[quote]mtotry wrote:
I personally have NEVER had any results bringing my arms straight out…I recently switched to machine laterals(where the pads are on your elbows) and I lean slightly toward the machine…I do a drop set or two…and I literally can not lift my arm to the side…I do not get that same feeling with arms straight laterals…
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I use that for laterals now also only I add a 45lbs and a 25-35lbs plate onto the stack. Some of those are made too narrow for me to use correctly though.
However, just to make a point, your arms are bent at a definite 90 degrees if you use that machine.
Also, just in case it needs to be said, I didn’t start using that machine this much until I was already pretty big by most people’s standards…just in case newbies think they can forego the use of all free weights.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
mtotry wrote:
I personally have NEVER had any results bringing my arms straight out…I recently switched to machine laterals(where the pads are on your elbows) and I lean slightly toward the machine…I do a drop set or two…and I literally can not lift my arm to the side…I do not get that same feeling with arms straight laterals…
I use that for laterals now also only I add a 45lbs and a 25-35lbs plate onto the stack. Some of those are made too narrow for me to use correctly though.
However, just to make a point, your arms are bent at a definite 90 degrees if you use that machine.
Also, just in case it needs to be said, I didn’t start using that machine this much until I was already pretty big by most people’s standards…just in case newbies think they can forego the use of all free weights.[/quote]
yes 90 degrees for sure when using that machine…I actually wear a sweatshirt when I use this machine…so my arms can slide on the pads as I raise my arms…going bare arm pinched my neck and shoulder joint…
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Professor X wrote:
mtotry wrote:
However, just to make a point, your arms are bent at a definite 90 degrees if you use that machine.
LOL- exactamundo.[/quote]
not sure if you are LOL’ing me…but I never said I do them straight arm …I am all for bent arm on the laterals…
That machine makes it a bit different than if using a DB, come on guys
[quote]mtotry wrote:
I never said I do them straight arm …I am all for bent arm on the laterals…
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same here
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
That machine makes it a bit different than if using a DB, come on guys[/quote]
Gee, no it doesn’t because the point remains that to stress the lateral head of the delts, bent arms don’t mean jack shit in relation to the weight being lifted or its effect on the target muscle group.
You all are taking the technique used to show beginners how to NOT fuck up their shoulders and trying to apply it to advanced lifters who KNOW for damn sure they are already hitting the target muscle group.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
mtotry wrote:
MODOK wrote:
Professor X wrote:
mtotry wrote:
However, just to make a point, your arms are bent at a definite 90 degrees if you use that machine.
LOL- exactamundo.
not sure if you are LOL’ing me…but I never said I do them straight arm …I am all for bent arm on the laterals…
Not laughing at you my friend. We had this conversation on the previous page.[/quote]
cool…
[quote]MODOK wrote:
I can’t stop laughing at the fact that we are actually discussing this shit like its important.[/quote]
lol’s all around.
please continue…i’m holding my breath in anticipation
[quote]MODOK wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
That machine makes it a bit different than if using a DB, come on guys
How? The humerus is still abducting and adducting in the frontal plane. The arm is bent at 90 degrees and the resistance is still being moved by the same muscle(s). There is of course a slight difference in that the weight has to be held, but other than that its the same movement.[/quote]
I don’t think we have debating pinkys out vs in
Thoughts?
This thread is a classic example of people that are way the fuck smaller and less developed arguing form with people that are very advanced…cracks me up every time. At this point I pretty much read through threads and only read what the people say that I know are big, to avoid the poisoning of my mind and thus my training.
This is no different than the people that comment on Matt Kroc’s DB rowing form on youtube…even though they are 140 lb fags that could probably not even row the 100 lb DB. Let alone the 300.
i use 15lb dumbells for lateral raises…
whenever i need a good chuckle, the bodybuilding forum is the place to come.
can i get a “call out??”
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
i use 15lb dumbells for lateral raises…
whenever i need a good chuckle, the bodybuilding forum is the place to come.
can i get a “call out??” [/quote]
Yeah, I’m calling you out, meat.
We both know that you do lateral raises in the smith machine.
Somehow.
I’ve seen hang cleans in the smith. It wasn’t pretty.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
i use 15lb dumbells for lateral raises…
whenever i need a good chuckle, the bodybuilding forum is the place to come.
can i get a “call out??”
Yeah, I’m calling you out, meat.
We both know that you do lateral raises in the smith machine.
Somehow.
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close… i do them in the Hammerrzzz strength machine. i just stand between two of them and lift each one, being sure to breath throughout the set, keep my arms perfectly straight and use a 30 second concentric and 2 minute eccentric. feel the burn baby!!!
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
i use 15lb dumbells for lateral raises…
whenever i need a good chuckle, the bodybuilding forum is the place to come.
can i get a “call out??” [/quote]
15’s???
Yeah, right. I can always count on you to inflate your numberzzzzzz. VIDEO or it didn’t happen!!!11~!!
best lateral raise was doing sets of 5 seated one arm with 95s. bench was 370, deads were not too high due to old injuries 405 stif leg to about 4-5 inches below knee. squats were 405 ass to ground for 3 reps and bench squat above parallel 520x3
[quote]mult1pass wrote:
best lateral raise was doing sets of 5 seated one arm with 95s. bench was 370, deads were not too high due to old injuries 405 stif leg to about 4-5 inches below knee. squats were 405 ass to ground for 3 reps and bench squat above parallel 520x3[/quote]
Hey man we are talking about lateral raises, not shrugs. I think you got the names of the movements mixed up.