How Much Do You Lateral Raise?

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there is a middle ground, wherein pinkies up, e.g. Charles Glass style, is a good way to insure the medial deltoid is the focus…however this approach is most advantageous AFTER you’ve built something. Going with super strict form holding 10lbs aint’ building shit.

To build a sandcastle you need sand. Take you’re fancy pail, shovel, buttplug, whatever you got and without the sand you’re just a a douche bag hanf out with your fisher price bullshit waiting for someone to bring you to the beach.

Some days I use 35lb-40lb dumbbells, other times I’ll stay a little lighter, often times I do drop sets for shoulders pyramiding downward 35, 25, 20 or something. I do believe that lateral raises are a great way to create width despite clavicle shortcomings. Shoulders are cheat(able) but more likely shoulders are humbling and keep you honest.

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there is a middle ground, wherein pinkies up, e.g. Charles Glass style, is a good way to insure the medial deltoid is the focus…however this approach is most advantageous AFTER you’ve built something. Going with super strict form holding 10lbs aint’ building shit.

To build a sandcastle you need sand. Take you’re fancy pail, shovel, buttplug, whatever you got and without the sand you’re just a a douche bag hanging out with your fisher price bullshit waiting for someone to bring you to the beach.

Some days I use 35lb-40lb dumbbells, other times I’ll stay a little lighter, often times I do drop sets for shoulders pyramiding downward 35, 25, 20 or something. I do believe that lateral raises are a great way to create width despite clavicle shortcomings. Shoulders are cheat(able) but more likely shoulders are humbling and keep you honest.

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Lat raise 50 3 x 8-10 I tend to to leaning lat raises

Bench 365 x 3

DL 335 x 5 (though I have been doing rack pulls for close to 5 weeks now)

Squat 315 x 1

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there is a middle ground, wherein pinkies up, e.g. Charles Glass style, is a good way to insure the medial deltoid is the focus…however this approach is most advantageous AFTER you’ve built something. Going with super strict form holding 10lbs aint’ building shit.

To build a sandcastle you need sand. Take you’re fancy pail, shovel, buttplug, whatever you got and without the sand you’re just a a douche bag hanging out with your fisher price bullshit waiting for someone to bring you to the beach.

Some days I use 35lb-40lb dumbbells, other times I’ll stay a little lighter, often times I do drop sets for shoulders pyramiding downward 35, 25, 20 or something. I do believe that lateral raises are a great way to create width despite clavicle shortcomings. Shoulders are cheat(able) but more likely shoulders are humbling and keep you honest.

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I generally do leaning lat raises 50lbs 3 x 8 - 10

I have always just used a slight bend at the elbow.

Bench 365 x3
Rack Pulls I only do now 455 x 5
Squat 315 x 1

sry for the repeat

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sorry guys…

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Usually do 35s, but I’ve been slowly making the move up to 40s.

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Lat raise 50 3 x 8-10 I tend to to leaning lat raises

Bench 365 x 3

DL 335 x 5 (though I have been doing rack pulls for close to 5 weeks now)

Squat 315 x 1[/quote]

You’re bench is much higher than squat and deadlift. That’s weird.

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My squat for some reason has always been weak, I dont really DL anymore just doing rack pulls as I have had some back issues. While I know squatting is really important I generally only squat with 2 plates with about 8 - 10 reps. Same with DLing. Benching I generally go pretty heavy (for me anyway)

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[quote]Westclock wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Westclock wrote:
HolyMacaroni wrote:
Professor X wrote:

You should see the looks I get when I throw a 45 and a 25lbs plate on the side lateral machine in addition to the stack. I think shoulders may be my best body part at this point.

you DO realize that you’re muscles are just pumped up with all that creatine and protein you take. and if you ever stop working out all that muscle is just going to turn to fat.

for real though, that’s some impressive shit

Rofl Mac.

Agreed, 75 laterals is just a recipe for shoulder injury in most of us.

I rarely use over 35, I see no reason to use heavier, I feel a little pain in the joint as it is.

Id rather press a shitload than raise a shitload, and my joints don’t seem to like raises much.

Why would the weight alone be a recipe for injury? That is like saying a 405lbs bench is a recipe for injury. No offense, but just like with any weight, you work up to that over several years. It isn’t like someone walks into a gym for the first time and picks up that much weight.

35lbs could be a recipe for injury. I doubt all of the people with shoulder injuries were all doing lateral raises with over 60lbs before it happened.

Im not saying they were, 75 pounds is simply not a weight that most experienced lifters will ever work their way up to.

As an example, a 400 pound bench is attainable for most, but a 500-600 pound bench is for those who are a little bit more genetically gifted.

75 pound side laterals with good form is not a level most can reach.[/quote]

You ever wondered if maybe you neglecting certain exercises or overemphasizing bench over all other upper body lifts may be the reason for your shoulder issues and current inability to go heavy on laterals (not that it matters much to a powerlifter, just saying…)?

As for 75 lb laterals… Well, you want to be a bodybuilder weighing in at 270+ in the off-season with huge delts and competing at above 200 lbs at average height… You better manage some impressive numbers on your delt exercises… Whether it’s the lateral raise machine, free-weight laterals or simply high incline smith presses or all of them…

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Westclock wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Westclock wrote:
HolyMacaroni wrote:
Professor X wrote:

You should see the looks I get when I throw a 45 and a 25lbs plate on the side lateral machine in addition to the stack. I think shoulders may be my best body part at this point.

you DO realize that you’re muscles are just pumped up with all that creatine and protein you take. and if you ever stop working out all that muscle is just going to turn to fat.

for real though, that’s some impressive shit

Rofl Mac.

Agreed, 75 laterals is just a recipe for shoulder injury in most of us.

I rarely use over 35, I see no reason to use heavier, I feel a little pain in the joint as it is.

Id rather press a shitload than raise a shitload, and my joints don’t seem to like raises much.

Why would the weight alone be a recipe for injury? That is like saying a 405lbs bench is a recipe for injury. No offense, but just like with any weight, you work up to that over several years. It isn’t like someone walks into a gym for the first time and picks up that much weight.

35lbs could be a recipe for injury. I doubt all of the people with shoulder injuries were all doing lateral raises with over 60lbs before it happened.

Im not saying they were, 75 pounds is simply not a weight that most experienced lifters will ever work their way up to.

As an example, a 400 pound bench is attainable for most, but a 500-600 pound bench is for those who are a little bit more genetically gifted.

75 pound side laterals with good form is not a level most can reach.

You ever wondered if maybe you neglecting certain exercises or overemphasizing bench over all other upper body lifts may be the reason for your shoulder issues and current inability to go heavy on laterals (not that it matters much to a powerlifter, just saying…)?

As for 75 lb laterals… Well, you want to be a bodybuilder weighing in at 270+ in the off-season with huge delts and competing at above 200 lbs at average height… You better manage some impressive numbers on your delt exercises… Whether it’s the lateral raise machine, free-weight laterals or simply high incline smith presses or all of them…

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Agreed. Also, someone mentioned Brandon Ray. Brandon competes at well UNDER 200lbs. He simply has the genetics to make that LOOK like a hell of a lot more. Maybe you can build impressive shoulders with only 40lbs dumbbells if you have the genetics to look that filled out at 180-185lbs. For the people who have the genetics to carry more body mass than that, a max 40lbs lateral raise as the most you EVER do isn’t going to give you shoulders on that level.

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[quote]kickureface wrote:
i guess stu knows the secret. he’s growing wings out of his delts[/quote]

This is the best post I’ve ever seen on T-Nation…I needed a laugh

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Westclock wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Westclock wrote:
HolyMacaroni wrote:
Professor X wrote:

You should see the looks I get when I throw a 45 and a 25lbs plate on the side lateral machine in addition to the stack. I think shoulders may be my best body part at this point.

you DO realize that you’re muscles are just pumped up with all that creatine and protein you take. and if you ever stop working out all that muscle is just going to turn to fat.

for real though, that’s some impressive shit

Rofl Mac.

Agreed, 75 laterals is just a recipe for shoulder injury in most of us.

I rarely use over 35, I see no reason to use heavier, I feel a little pain in the joint as it is.

Id rather press a shitload than raise a shitload, and my joints don’t seem to like raises much.

Why would the weight alone be a recipe for injury? That is like saying a 405lbs bench is a recipe for injury. No offense, but just like with any weight, you work up to that over several years. It isn’t like someone walks into a gym for the first time and picks up that much weight.

35lbs could be a recipe for injury. I doubt all of the people with shoulder injuries were all doing lateral raises with over 60lbs before it happened.

Im not saying they were, 75 pounds is simply not a weight that most experienced lifters will ever work their way up to.

As an example, a 400 pound bench is attainable for most, but a 500-600 pound bench is for those who are a little bit more genetically gifted.

75 pound side laterals with good form is not a level most can reach.

You ever wondered if maybe you neglecting certain exercises or overemphasizing bench over all other upper body lifts may be the reason for your shoulder issues and current inability to go heavy on laterals (not that it matters much to a powerlifter, just saying…)?

As for 75 lb laterals… Well, you want to be a bodybuilder weighing in at 270+ in the off-season with huge delts and competing at above 200 lbs at average height… You better manage some impressive numbers on your delt exercises… Whether it’s the lateral raise machine, free-weight laterals or simply high incline smith presses or all of them…

Agreed. Also, someone mentioned Brandon Ray. Brandon competes at well UNDER 200lbs. He simply has the genetics to make that LOOK like a hell of a lot more. Maybe you can build impressive shoulders with only 40lbs dumbbells if you have the genetics to look that filled out at 180-185lbs. For the people who have the genetics to carry more body mass than that, a max 40lbs lateral raise as the most you EVER do isn’t going to give you shoulders on that level.[/quote]

to be honest i never understood it when big gusy say something like “i never go up over 45lb bells for laterals and work on perfect form and feeling the muscle more”. ok so there is nothing wrong with that (and i am not referring to Stu or anyone on this thread in particular), but when they advise newbies to do the same i just don’t get it. There are many in my gym who seem to lateral raise about the same with near perfect from (and never go higher) and still have shoulders that look like pancakes.

it truly is dependant on genetics. OR, these bigger bodybuilders have went much heavier in the past and are now lowering the weight to work on squeexing the muscle more/whatever.

basically i have seen bigger guys who use 405lb dumbbells for lateral raises (and have huge shoulders) state that “i never go heavier than this” and recommend newbies to never go heavier than that either.

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[quote]Der Candy wrote:

to be honest i never understood it when big gusy say something like “i never go up over 45lb bells for laterals and work on perfect form and feeling the muscle more”. ok so there is nothing wrong with that (and i am not referring to Stu or anyone on this thread in particular), but when they advise newbies to do the same i just don’t get it. There are many in my gym who seem to lateral raise about the same with near perfect from (and never go higher) and still have shoulders that look like pancakes.

it truly is dependant on genetics. OR, these bigger bodybuilders have went much heavier in the past and are now lowering the weight to work on squeexing the muscle more/whatever.

basically i have seen bigger guys who use 405lb dumbbells for lateral raises (and have huge shoulders) state that “i never go heavier than this” and recommend newbies to never go heavier than that either. [/quote]

Good point. You know those Hammer Strength preacher curl machines? Years back I had gotten up to doing four 45lbs plates on that for reps. I don’t currently go that heavy on that exercise because I fear an injury there and a biceps tear now would screw up any chance of me ever competing. I now go up to 3 plates on the last set and squeeze much more on all biceps movements.

It would be wrong for me to act like I ALWAYS avoided going heavier. What built my arms up is EVERYTHING I EVER DID, not just the stuff I am doing now.

That same concept applies to big guys who claim they don’t recommend bulking up…even though they did it and that is the reason they got that damn big in the first place.

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Lat raise 50 3 x 8-10 I tend to to leaning lat raises

Bench 365 x 3

DL 335 x 5 (though I have been doing rack pulls for close to 5 weeks now)

Squat 315 x 1[/quote]

??? at your numbers

great bench but…one legged squat?

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[quote]Der Candy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Westclock wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Westclock wrote:
HolyMacaroni wrote:
Professor X wrote:

You should see the looks I get when I throw a 45 and a 25lbs plate on the side lateral machine in addition to the stack. I think shoulders may be my best body part at this point.

you DO realize that you’re muscles are just pumped up with all that creatine and protein you take. and if you ever stop working out all that muscle is just going to turn to fat.

for real though, that’s some impressive shit

Rofl Mac.

Agreed, 75 laterals is just a recipe for shoulder injury in most of us.

I rarely use over 35, I see no reason to use heavier, I feel a little pain in the joint as it is.

Id rather press a shitload than raise a shitload, and my joints don’t seem to like raises much.

Why would the weight alone be a recipe for injury? That is like saying a 405lbs bench is a recipe for injury. No offense, but just like with any weight, you work up to that over several years. It isn’t like someone walks into a gym for the first time and picks up that much weight.

35lbs could be a recipe for injury. I doubt all of the people with shoulder injuries were all doing lateral raises with over 60lbs before it happened.

Im not saying they were, 75 pounds is simply not a weight that most experienced lifters will ever work their way up to.

As an example, a 400 pound bench is attainable for most, but a 500-600 pound bench is for those who are a little bit more genetically gifted.

75 pound side laterals with good form is not a level most can reach.

You ever wondered if maybe you neglecting certain exercises or overemphasizing bench over all other upper body lifts may be the reason for your shoulder issues and current inability to go heavy on laterals (not that it matters much to a powerlifter, just saying…)?

As for 75 lb laterals… Well, you want to be a bodybuilder weighing in at 270+ in the off-season with huge delts and competing at above 200 lbs at average height… You better manage some impressive numbers on your delt exercises… Whether it’s the lateral raise machine, free-weight laterals or simply high incline smith presses or all of them…

Agreed. Also, someone mentioned Brandon Ray. Brandon competes at well UNDER 200lbs. He simply has the genetics to make that LOOK like a hell of a lot more. Maybe you can build impressive shoulders with only 40lbs dumbbells if you have the genetics to look that filled out at 180-185lbs. For the people who have the genetics to carry more body mass than that, a max 40lbs lateral raise as the most you EVER do isn’t going to give you shoulders on that level.

to be honest i never understood it when big gusy say something like “i never go up over 45lb bells for laterals and work on perfect form and feeling the muscle more”. ok so there is nothing wrong with that (and i am not referring to Stu or anyone on this thread in particular), but when they advise newbies to do the same i just don’t get it. There are many in my gym who seem to lateral raise about the same with near perfect from (and never go higher) and still have shoulders that look like pancakes.

it truly is dependant on genetics. OR, these bigger bodybuilders have went much heavier in the past and are now lowering the weight to work on squeexing the muscle more/whatever.

basically i have seen bigger guys who use 405lb dumbbells for lateral raises (and have huge shoulders) state that “i never go heavier than this” and recommend newbies to never go heavier than that either. [/quote]

wow, where do you live? Some strong people around there! 405 for laterals!

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[quote]totti13 wrote:
MattyXL wrote:
Lat raise 50 3 x 8-10 I tend to to leaning lat raises

Bench 365 x 3

DL 335 x 5 (though I have been doing rack pulls for close to 5 weeks now)

Squat 315 x 1

??? at your numbers

great bench but…one legged squat?[/quote]

Yeah I know, I never really go heavy with squats, I usually only do 2 plates, I only went three plated once for 1 rep, While I am pretty sure I could do more I never tried so I didnt want to speculate on what I probably could do. I do have some back issues so the DL I have stopped and just do rack pulls. My deadlift max again was the heaviest I went, again I think I could do more but never did.

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[quote]totti13 wrote:

??? at your numbers

great bench but…one legged squat?[/quote]

WHO GIVES A SHIT!?!?

jesus dude, the thread is about LATERAL RAISING. get the fuck over yourself

i have a sneaking suspicion you look like shit.

some people on the forum blow me away

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i just dont do side laterals lol. ive never liked them. when it comes to shoulders i prefer pressing but recently i tried out the Cybex Machine Lateral Raise. no clue what the weight was though, dont really care either as most guys on here are saying - Lat. Raises arent about heavy weight which probably part of the reason i dont like them because you get up to the 30’s or something and thats it.

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[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
debraD wrote:
Does anyone have a good link to what would be considered good form?

yeah, i’ll be home later tonight after 8pm. i’ll leave the door open so you won’t have to knock.[/quote]

i love how you took something without absolutely no innuendo and managed to turn it about sex