I do around 30-35 right now.I swing a little. I don’t do a shitload of volume though. Cause my shoulders are already pretty fried after pressing.1-2 sets. With a bit of body english at the end. oh and incline lateral raises are doo-doo, isn’t that something you see women doing?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have gone up to 75lbs for side lateral raises. That was right before I started using the machine more for this movement because it causes less strain on my upper arm. My lateral head didn’t really begin to sit out there until I was using greater than the 45lbs dumbbells. [/quote]
75lb lat raises? gtfo X
i can’t even imagine what that LOOKS like
35-40 depending how i feel (seated for strict form) but i also work myself up… 25-30-35 or… 30-35-40, either or…
train for 12 reps on lat raises…
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I have gone up to 75lbs for side lateral raises. That was right before I started using the machine more for this movement because it causes less strain on my upper arm. My lateral head didn’t really begin to sit out there until I was using greater than the 45lbs dumbbells.
75lb lat raises? gtfo X
i can’t even imagine what that LOOKS like[/quote]
You should see the looks I get when I throw a 45 and a 25lbs plate on the side lateral machine in addition to the stack. I think shoulders may be my best body part at this point.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Lateral raises traditionally hit the traps more than anything. That is why many can lift some reasonable weight. But, if you take the traps out of it doing say an Incline Later Raise, you will find the true weight your delts can lift independently. Try it and see.
I disagree. That position puts you at a disadvantage lifting ANY weight. Also, the traps are not the prime movers in doing a lateral raise unless you are actually raising the shoulders and not allowing your upper arm to move the most during the movement. I agree that some may see more trap involvement, but unless form is just terribly off, they shouldn’t be handling most of the force.
I see nothing wrong with isolating the shoulder like that IN ADDITION TO doing regular lateral raises. I often did standing single arm lateral raises which reduces the weight one can use, but this always came after the basics that produce more growth
One more thing…the more he leans over, the more that becomes a REAR DELT movement.[/quote]
I agree that this is not a stand alone delt exercise and should be used with other delt work. But, it is also true that it is bio-mechanically impossible to do a standard later raise and not involve the traps.
The reason this exercise puts you in a disadvantage is because it takes out everything except the medial delts, which by themselves, are not that big. So you could say it is a super isolation exercise.
And yes, I agree, you can’t lean back too much or it moves to the rear delts.
Do major delt work like military press or other compound lift and then do these; feel the burn!
As X said, the only way the traps will get involved with the lateral raise is if your shoulders shrug up, which is common among those that go to heavy without knowing what’s compensating.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You should see the looks I get when I throw a 45 and a 25lbs plate on the side lateral machine in addition to the stack. I think shoulders may be my best body part at this point.[/quote]
you DO realize that you’re muscles are just pumped up with all that creatine and protein you take. and if you ever stop working out all that muscle is just going to turn to fat.
for real though, that’s some impressive shit
I’ve worked my way up to where I can get 8-10 on strict leanaways like Stu is talking about with 45’s or I can get quite a few more if I loosen up the form like X is talking about. Or I can get 20 with 35’s pretty strict and a bunch more if I loosen up. It doesn’t matter much though because they will not cap no matter WHAT I do. They’ve gotten a lot stronger, harder and “meatier”, but they just refuse to cap out all that much. Genetics are a bitch.
I see lots of guys flinging around heavy weight with awful form. AFAIK, you’re supposed to hold the weights at your sides and extend your arms as straight out as possible. Correctly done even guys who are huge can’t lift heavy on this one.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
Professor X wrote:
You should see the looks I get when I throw a 45 and a 25lbs plate on the side lateral machine in addition to the stack. I think shoulders may be my best body part at this point.
you DO realize that you’re muscles are just pumped up with all that creatine and protein you take. and if you ever stop working out all that muscle is just going to turn to fat.
for real though, that’s some impressive shit[/quote]
Rofl Mac.
Agreed, 75 laterals is just a recipe for shoulder injury in most of us.
I rarely use over 35, I see no reason to use heavier, I feel a little pain in the joint as it is.
Id rather press a shitload than raise a shitload, and my joints don’t seem to like raises much.
[quote]spindrift wrote:
I see lots of guys flinging around heavy weight with awful form. AFAIK, you’re supposed to hold the weights at your sides and extend your arms as straight out as possible. Correctly done even guys who are huge can’t lift heavy on this one.[/quote]
This was your first post on this site?
If the guy you are looking at has shoulders the size of an NBA basketball, does it really make sense to think he is training wrong? You wrote “correctly done”. My exercise is “correctly done” when it promotes growth without significant injury or setback for years.
The idea that your arms must be straight the entire movement without any body motion at all is INcorrect…especially when most of the guys claiming their form is so perfect have significantly smaller shoulder development.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
HolyMacaroni wrote:
Professor X wrote:
You should see the looks I get when I throw a 45 and a 25lbs plate on the side lateral machine in addition to the stack. I think shoulders may be my best body part at this point.
you DO realize that you’re muscles are just pumped up with all that creatine and protein you take. and if you ever stop working out all that muscle is just going to turn to fat.
for real though, that’s some impressive shit
Rofl Mac.
Agreed, 75 laterals is just a recipe for shoulder injury in most of us.
I rarely use over 35, I see no reason to use heavier, I feel a little pain in the joint as it is.
Id rather press a shitload than raise a shitload, and my joints don’t seem to like raises much.
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Why would the weight alone be a recipe for injury? That is like saying a 405lbs bench is a recipe for injury. No offense, but just like with any weight, you work up to that over several years. It isn’t like someone walks into a gym for the first time and picks up that much weight.
35lbs could be a recipe for injury. I doubt all of the people with shoulder injuries were all doing lateral raises with over 60lbs before it happened.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
35lbs could be a recipe for injury. I doubt all of the people with shoulder injuries were all doing lateral raises with over 60lbs before it happened.[/quote]
I agree. The shoulder injuries I’ve worked with in clients who are regular weight trainers is usually owing to simply doing too much volume around the shoulder. Guys who do their front, side, rear raises, then their shoulder presses and various other shoulder movements with high rep and moderate weight, and wonder why they develop one of the myriad of shoulder problems you can get.
Going heavy, unless you’ve done something stupid or unfortunate, is not usually what I’ve worked with as an injury precursor.
And on that note, just to rant a bit, but another problem I often run into are guys who are doing all those bullshit rotator cuff exercises for the last 6 months, haven’t done any heavy anterior press movements, and are having shoulder issues owing to a posterior imbalance (and they are smaller muscles than the front shoulder too!!).
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Westclock wrote:
HolyMacaroni wrote:
Professor X wrote:
You should see the looks I get when I throw a 45 and a 25lbs plate on the side lateral machine in addition to the stack. I think shoulders may be my best body part at this point.
you DO realize that you’re muscles are just pumped up with all that creatine and protein you take. and if you ever stop working out all that muscle is just going to turn to fat.
for real though, that’s some impressive shit
Rofl Mac.
Agreed, 75 laterals is just a recipe for shoulder injury in most of us.
I rarely use over 35, I see no reason to use heavier, I feel a little pain in the joint as it is.
Id rather press a shitload than raise a shitload, and my joints don’t seem to like raises much.
Why would the weight alone be a recipe for injury? That is like saying a 405lbs bench is a recipe for injury. No offense, but just like with any weight, you work up to that over several years. It isn’t like someone walks into a gym for the first time and picks up that much weight.
35lbs could be a recipe for injury. I doubt all of the people with shoulder injuries were all doing lateral raises with over 60lbs before it happened.[/quote]
Im not saying they were, 75 pounds is simply not a weight that most experienced lifters will ever work their way up to.
As an example, a 400 pound bench is attainable for most, but a 500-600 pound bench is for those who are a little bit more genetically gifted.
75 pound side laterals with good form is not a level most can reach.
Does anyone have a good link to what would be considered good form?
Branden Ray never goes over 40s. At least that’s what MD says this month.
[quote]debraD wrote:
Does anyone have a good link to what would be considered good form?[/quote]
yeah, i’ll be home later tonight after 8pm. i’ll leave the door open so you won’t have to knock.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
debraD wrote:
Does anyone have a good link to what would be considered good form?
yeah, i’ll be home later tonight after 8pm. i’ll leave the door open so you won’t have to knock.[/quote]
Smartass! 
[quote]Professor X wrote:
spindrift wrote:
I see lots of guys flinging around heavy weight with awful form. AFAIK, you’re supposed to hold the weights at your sides and extend your arms as straight out as possible. Correctly done even guys who are huge can’t lift heavy on this one.
This was your first post on this site?
If the guy you are looking at has shoulders the size of an NBA basketball, does it really make sense to think he is training wrong? You wrote “correctly done”. My exercise is “correctly done” when it promotes growth without significant injury or setback for years.
The idea that your arms must be straight the entire movement without any body motion at all is INcorrect…especially when most of the guys claiming their form is so perfect have significantly smaller shoulder development.[/quote]
IMO you have to have a slight bend in your elbow. I believe keeping your arms totally straight is just foolish.