How Many People Have You Been With?

[quote]mbdix wrote:

To expand on this a little. You don’t forgive them or stop being angry at them, for them. You forgive them and stop being angry at them for yourself.

If there is a person in your life that is causing you issues, you can cut them out of your life if they wont change and still forgive them and no longer be angry at them. Being and staying angry at someone affects you more than it will ever affect them.

Of course there are exceptions to this. Life threatening situations, terrorist actions, or things along those lines call for a little different approach. Rip their fucking head off them, but let your anger towards them die with the snapping of their neck.

Just do your best to never hold onto anger, let it go man [/quote]

I agree. I’ve seen “forgiveness” defined as “remembering without anger,” which definition I like. A friend once said that she forgives easily but reconciles rarely when there are serious issues in a relationship, which makes sense to me. Let the anger go, but don’t continue being victimized.

Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured. – Mark Twain

Come to think of it, I think I picked that Twain quote up here at TNation.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

To expand on this a little. You don’t forgive them or stop being angry at them, for them. You forgive them and stop being angry at them for yourself.

If there is a person in your life that is causing you issues, you can cut them out of your life if they wont change and still forgive them and no longer be angry at them. Being and staying angry at someone affects you more than it will ever affect them.

Of course there are exceptions to this. Life threatening situations, terrorist actions, or things along those lines call for a little different approach. Rip their fucking head off them, but let your anger towards them die with the snapping of their neck.

Just do your best to never hold onto anger, let it go man [/quote]

I agree. I’ve seen “forgiveness” defined as “remembering without anger,” which definition I like. A friend once said that she forgives easily but reconciles rarely when there are serious issues in a relationship, which makes sense to me. Let the anger go, but don’t continue being victimized.

Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured. – Mark Twain[/quote]

Exactly

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

To expand on this a little. You don’t forgive them or stop being angry at them, for them. You forgive them and stop being angry at them for yourself.

If there is a person in your life that is causing you issues, you can cut them out of your life if they wont change and still forgive them and no longer be angry at them. Being and staying angry at someone affects you more than it will ever affect them.

Of course there are exceptions to this. Life threatening situations, terrorist actions, or things along those lines call for a little different approach. Rip their fucking head off them, but let your anger towards them die with the snapping of their neck.

Just do your best to never hold onto anger, let it go man [/quote]

I agree. I’ve seen “forgiveness” defined as “remembering without anger,” which definition I like. A friend once said that she forgives easily but reconciles rarely when there are serious issues in a relationship, which makes sense to me. Let the anger go, but don’t continue being victimized.

Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured. – Mark Twain[/quote]

I agree wholeheartedly with all of the above. I would say that my default response to being hurt or threatened in any sense runs more toward anger than sadness. However, anger should only serve the purpose of providing impetus to take action. That action should be rational and considered so the anger must be controlled, but it may very well be valid, righteous and extremely useful in the moment.

However, after the action is taken, as mbdix and Mr Twain point out, it is in your best interest to let it go. It may be fine to get mad, but you should never stay mad.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I’m generally happy to read any well-written wall of text because my curiosity about the thoughts and viewpoints of others is pretty much bottomless. But opeth7opeth, your thoughts are completely lost to me due to your heavy block quoting and my inability to maintain focus through it.

Not that it matters or should matter to anyone whether I maintain focus or not, but just some feedback. Imagine debating in person with someone by sonorously reciting the bible aloud, delivering a series of heavy sermons in response to someone else’s expressed thoughts.
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Point taken. Thank you. I struggle with conciseness at times.

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I’m generally happy to read any well-written wall of text because my curiosity about the thoughts and viewpoints of others is pretty much bottomless. But opeth7opeth, your thoughts are completely lost to me due to your heavy block quoting and my inability to maintain focus through it.

Not that it matters or should matter to anyone whether I maintain focus or not, but just some feedback. Imagine debating in person with someone by sonorously reciting the bible aloud, delivering a series of heavy sermons in response to someone else’s expressed thoughts.
[/quote]

Agree. His argument is totally inaccessible to anybody who didn’t already share his opinions/beliefs.[/quote]

I acknowledged my lack of brevity to EmilyQ. But would you say that your argument IS totally accessible? And if so, is that because the philosophical consensus here is “doing what is right in your own eyes”?

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I’m generally happy to read any well-written wall of text because my curiosity about the thoughts and viewpoints of others is pretty much bottomless. But opeth7opeth, your thoughts are completely lost to me due to your heavy block quoting and my inability to maintain focus through it.

Not that it matters or should matter to anyone whether I maintain focus or not, but just some feedback. Imagine debating in person with someone by sonorously reciting the bible aloud, delivering a series of heavy sermons in response to someone else’s expressed thoughts.
[/quote]

Agree. His argument is totally inaccessible to anybody who didn’t already share his opinions/beliefs.[/quote]

I acknowledged my lack of brevity to EmilyQ. But would you say that your argument IS totally accessible? And if so, is that because the philosophical consensus here is “doing what is right in your own eyes”?
[/quote]

My argument was primarily for mutual respect, adaptability, sensible boundaries and expectations, fidelity and perseverance in the face of adversity, and each party being committed to self development, both independently and as a couple.

I feel this argument is fairly accessible to most readers. Some may disagree, but my point is clear, even if it’s not particularly brief.

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Basically, the underlying TRUTH of the matter is that you can’t turn a ho into a housewife. Seriously. Why anyone disputes this is beyond me. Women who have experienced a lot of cock have a high “novelty seeking index”… It’s how they are WIRED… You think that a ring on her finger is just going to turn that off? There are so many emotional and psychological layers to this it’s not even funny.

But despite our insistence as a culture that we can ALL be special snowflakes (cough, cough BULLSHIT!!!) it comes down to this: is she a “good” girl, or a “bad” girl? A good girl can be a lady in the living room and taught to be a whore in the bedroom. A bad girl is just a whore everywhere she goes. And everybody knows it. She betrays it with the looks she gives, her body language and her lack of boundaries.

I can spot a whore a mile away. It’s just a matter of seeing how she responds when I push a few buttons. And the sad sad truth of it is that in today’s society, where the MEDIA is conditioning our younger generations to care more about which guy XYZ Kardashian is fucking than who their state senator is, more and more young women are turning into whores. Before they are even old enough to think responsibly, they’ve already had a dozen dicks up in them. And they call it “progress”… LMAO

It’s fine by me. I like fucking strange pussy and these days it’s like shooting fish in a barrel. I literally don’t have to try anymore. The biggest challenge is the schedule.[/quote]

I can’t agree with you wholesale on this issue, however anecdotally, in my experience you have a point. My sample is much smaller than your own, but I still reached a few conclusions.

I came VERY close to marrying a girl with, ahem… a very high “novelty seeking index”. By the time we got together at age 20, I was her number 12 as I recall, and that included some fairly exotic stuff. This was 15 years ago, so I expect that made her even more of an outlier than a girl of the same age and number would be today. We lasted 3 years, which I actually consider something of an accomplishment given her temperament.

She engaged in a lot of high risk activity (sexual and otherwise) and was dating somebody when we got together. Unsurprising, in hindsight, she was unable to “turn it off” despite her (IMO) heartfelt professions of undying love and desire to build a future together. She just wasn’t made that way. I don’t blame her, I should have known she was a scorpion when we started swimming across the river. Did I mention I was 20 and she was… very attractive.

Now I can recognize “that” girl in seconds, fractions of seconds even. There are clearly identifiable patterns that are unmistakable. I also agree that “that” girl is being heavily promoted in the media under the guise of empowerment etc. I personally don’t see how hedonism, drug abuse, promiscuity and lack of impulse control are especially empowering, but what do I know?

I believe we should deal with people on a case by case basis. However, I have also noticed that we fall into very definite “types” which exhibit extremely predictable patterns of thought and action. An individual, through self awareness and a concerted effort of will can break out of their type/pattern and on occasion anybody can surprise you, but more often than not, you can bet on the pattern.

Past behaviour is the best indicator of future behaviour. [/quote]

What are the signposts of such a women? Over the long and short term?

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:
A common chain of immorality: lust leads to fornication, and fornication leads to murder.

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This is true, but I think we will experience much more disruptive violence than abortions.

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I’m generally happy to read any well-written wall of text because my curiosity about the thoughts and viewpoints of others is pretty much bottomless. But opeth7opeth, your thoughts are completely lost to me due to your heavy block quoting and my inability to maintain focus through it.

Not that it matters or should matter to anyone whether I maintain focus or not, but just some feedback. Imagine debating in person with someone by sonorously reciting the bible aloud, delivering a series of heavy sermons in response to someone else’s expressed thoughts.
[/quote]

Agree. His argument is totally inaccessible to anybody who didn’t already share his opinions/beliefs.[/quote]

I acknowledged my lack of brevity to EmilyQ. But would you say that your argument IS totally accessible? And if so, is that because the philosophical consensus here is “doing what is right in your own eyes”?
[/quote]

In a way you are part of that consensus in that you choose to submit to a higher power.

So you are doing what you think is right too.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I’m generally happy to read any well-written wall of text because my curiosity about the thoughts and viewpoints of others is pretty much bottomless. But opeth7opeth, your thoughts are completely lost to me due to your heavy block quoting and my inability to maintain focus through it.

Not that it matters or should matter to anyone whether I maintain focus or not, but just some feedback. Imagine debating in person with someone by sonorously reciting the bible aloud, delivering a series of heavy sermons in response to someone else’s expressed thoughts.
[/quote]

Agree. His argument is totally inaccessible to anybody who didn’t already share his opinions/beliefs.[/quote]

I acknowledged my lack of brevity to EmilyQ. But would you say that your argument IS totally accessible? And if so, is that because the philosophical consensus here is “doing what is right in your own eyes”?
[/quote]

In a way you are part of that consensus in that you choose to submit to a higher power.

So you are doing what you think is right too. [/quote]

“Doing what is right in your own eyes” means that every person is their own standard. Either the Bible is the perfect Word of God, the one infallibly true standard, or everyone can be a little god unto themselves and make their own standards up.

If a thief breaks in and steals your stuff please do not throw a hypocritical fit since he is operating by the same God-rejecting philosophy that you are.

Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. (Proverbs 3:7)

A generation pure in its own eyes, and yet not washed from its own filth. (Proverbs 30:12)

Woe to those who say to evil, good; and to good, evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe to those wise in their own eyes, and discerning in their own sight! (Isaiah 5:20-21)

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I’m generally happy to read any well-written wall of text because my curiosity about the thoughts and viewpoints of others is pretty much bottomless. But opeth7opeth, your thoughts are completely lost to me due to your heavy block quoting and my inability to maintain focus through it.

Not that it matters or should matter to anyone whether I maintain focus or not, but just some feedback. Imagine debating in person with someone by sonorously reciting the bible aloud, delivering a series of heavy sermons in response to someone else’s expressed thoughts.
[/quote]

Agree. His argument is totally inaccessible to anybody who didn’t already share his opinions/beliefs.[/quote]

I acknowledged my lack of brevity to EmilyQ. But would you say that your argument IS totally accessible? And if so, is that because the philosophical consensus here is “doing what is right in your own eyes”?
[/quote]

In a way you are part of that consensus in that you choose to submit to a higher power.

So you are doing what you think is right too. [/quote]

“Doing what is right in your own eyes” means that every person is their own standard. Either the Bible is the perfect Word of God, the one infallibly true standard, or everyone can be a little god unto themselves and make their own standards up.

If a thief breaks in and steals your stuff please do not throw a hypocritical fit since he is operating by the same God-rejecting philosophy that you are.

Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. (Proverbs 3:7)

A generation pure in its own eyes, and yet not washed from its own filth. (Proverbs 30:12)

Woe to those who say to evil, good; and to good, evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe to those wise in their own eyes, and discerning in their own sight! (Isaiah 5:20-21)
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One can certainly be a moral person while rejecting the god of the Bible.

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I gave my wife a “member of Christ” last night, I think he’d of been proud…lololololol[/quote]

If your “usmc” signifies what I think it does, then I am not at all surprised by your statement.

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You need to be careful here.

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I’m generally happy to read any well-written wall of text because my curiosity about the thoughts and viewpoints of others is pretty much bottomless. But opeth7opeth, your thoughts are completely lost to me due to your heavy block quoting and my inability to maintain focus through it.

Not that it matters or should matter to anyone whether I maintain focus or not, but just some feedback. Imagine debating in person with someone by sonorously reciting the bible aloud, delivering a series of heavy sermons in response to someone else’s expressed thoughts.
[/quote]

Agree. His argument is totally inaccessible to anybody who didn’t already share his opinions/beliefs.[/quote]

I acknowledged my lack of brevity to EmilyQ. But would you say that your argument IS totally accessible? And if so, is that because the philosophical consensus here is “doing what is right in your own eyes”?
[/quote]

In a way you are part of that consensus in that you choose to submit to a higher power.

So you are doing what you think is right too. [/quote]

“Doing what is right in your own eyes” means that every person is their own standard. Either the Bible is the perfect Word of God, the one infallibly true standard, or everyone can be a little god unto themselves and make their own standards up.

If a thief breaks in and steals your stuff please do not throw a hypocritical fit since he is operating by the same God-rejecting philosophy that you are.

Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. (Proverbs 3:7)

A generation pure in its own eyes, and yet not washed from its own filth. (Proverbs 30:12)

Woe to those who say to evil, good; and to good, evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe to those wise in their own eyes, and discerning in their own sight! (Isaiah 5:20-21)
[/quote]

Mmmmh…

So your point is that you do not set the standards yourself, so even if you choose to obey or not, at least you are not tinkering together a random set of rules?

If that is so, I would agree, that tinkering is bound to go wrong for a lot of people, maybe the majority.

I know one thing, If I am gonna marry a woman I definitley would WANT her to have some other dick in her life before me. Yeah if she had plenty O dicks before me it would certainly give me some pause, but then for her to settle down with this dick is highly complimentary IMO. Not referring to my wife however…I swear.

[quote]MementoMori wrote:
a misinformed liberal opinion that STILL doesn’t address any of my points with substance, just attacks on “my record” and a regurgitations of a position based on “because I said so”.
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I feel I’m wasting my time here. You’re convinced, I’m convinced. Have fun thinking that men and women are exactly the same despite overwhelming historical, anthropological, biological, psychological, and empirical evidence that suggests otherwise. Knock yourself out - I simply don’t have time to go tit for tat with you any longer.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
To clarify this:

If I tell my kids a story that if they do not brush their teeth the Toot Decay Fairy will come in their sleep and drill holes in their teeth, this is of course bullshit.

However, if they grow up and decide to not brush their teeth because they discover that the Toot Decay Fairy story is a bit unplausible, well, if they decide to not brush their teeth because of it, they will lose them.

The justification is bullshit, but the behavior it was meant to encourage makes a whole lot of sense. [/quote]

Oh, I agree 100% that the bible is USEFUL for keeping ancient goat herders from fucking their sisters. Absolutely! It probably helped people avoid parasites as well with all the forbidden shellfish eating (you know, the one people seem to forget, but they remember FAGS are sinners!). It’s probably the most useful tool for population control ever devised. Buuuuuuuut, it was written by MEN. To control OTHER men (and women). I’ll even go as far to say that in some parts of the world it was necessary. Burning books, excommunicating scientists and throwing Europe into the Dark Ages we probably could have done without, but HEY - no one is perfect, right?

But I’ll be a monkey’s uncle if some fucking moron is going to convince me that “god” wrote the bible and that I’m “going to hell”. And in this case, that Melissa S (my first) was my “wife”. LMAO If that’s the case, at least she didn’t take half my shit![/quote]

Well, the Dark Ages were dark because we lack documentation.

The little we do have were provided by, um, Catholic monks.

The little we know about what came before was provided by, um, Catholic Monks.

They did not throw Europe into the Dark Ages, they did their very best to preserve the knowledge that existed.

The Catholic Church was the only force left to provide some order after the West Roman empire fell, they had nothing to do with the rot that brought it down. [/quote]

Oh, I absolutely agree again! The Church DID preserve/protect all of the knowledge and books during that time. They kept it for themselves, stamped out any center of learning not controlled by the Church, translated it into Latin so no one else could read it and killed anyone with the audacity to commit the “heresy” of knowing more than the one above you (i.e. a layperson could NEVER know more than a priest).

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I gave my wife a “member of Christ” last night, I think he’d of been proud…lololololol[/quote]

If your “usmc” signifies what I think it does, then I am not at all surprised by your statement.
[/quote]

If by USMC you mean he served our fucking country as a muther fucking MARINE so that you could have the fucking privileged of trolling internet forums with your religious bullshit then YEAH, that’s what it means.

If you have anythign else to say about it, I suggest you kindly shut the fuck up.
[/quote]

Thanks Angry.

Marines are how they are for good reason.

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Basically, the underlying TRUTH of the matter is that you can’t turn a ho into a housewife. Seriously. Why anyone disputes this is beyond me. Women who have experienced a lot of cock have a high “novelty seeking index”… It’s how they are WIRED… You think that a ring on her finger is just going to turn that off? There are so many emotional and psychological layers to this it’s not even funny.

But despite our insistence as a culture that we can ALL be special snowflakes (cough, cough BULLSHIT!!!) it comes down to this: is she a “good” girl, or a “bad” girl? A good girl can be a lady in the living room and taught to be a whore in the bedroom. A bad girl is just a whore everywhere she goes. And everybody knows it. She betrays it with the looks she gives, her body language and her lack of boundaries.

I can spot a whore a mile away. It’s just a matter of seeing how she responds when I push a few buttons. And the sad sad truth of it is that in today’s society, where the MEDIA is conditioning our younger generations to care more about which guy XYZ Kardashian is fucking than who their state senator is, more and more young women are turning into whores. Before they are even old enough to think responsibly, they’ve already had a dozen dicks up in them. And they call it “progress”… LMAO

It’s fine by me. I like fucking strange pussy and these days it’s like shooting fish in a barrel. I literally don’t have to try anymore. The biggest challenge is the schedule.[/quote]

I can’t agree with you wholesale on this issue, however anecdotally, in my experience you have a point. My sample is much smaller than your own, but I still reached a few conclusions.

I came VERY close to marrying a girl with, ahem… a very high “novelty seeking index”. By the time we got together at age 20, I was her number 12 as I recall, and that included some fairly exotic stuff. This was 15 years ago, so I expect that made her even more of an outlier than a girl of the same age and number would be today. We lasted 3 years, which I actually consider something of an accomplishment given her temperament.

She engaged in a lot of high risk activity (sexual and otherwise) and was dating somebody when we got together. Unsurprising, in hindsight, she was unable to “turn it off” despite her (IMO) heartfelt professions of undying love and desire to build a future together. She just wasn’t made that way. I don’t blame her, I should have known she was a scorpion when we started swimming across the river. Did I mention I was 20 and she was… very attractive.

Now I can recognize “that” girl in seconds, fractions of seconds even. There are clearly identifiable patterns that are unmistakable. I also agree that “that” girl is being heavily promoted in the media under the guise of empowerment etc. I personally don’t see how hedonism, drug abuse, promiscuity and lack of impulse control are especially empowering, but what do I know?

I believe we should deal with people on a case by case basis. However, I have also noticed that we fall into very definite “types” which exhibit extremely predictable patterns of thought and action. An individual, through self awareness and a concerted effort of will can break out of their type/pattern and on occasion anybody can surprise you, but more often than not, you can bet on the pattern.

Past behaviour is the best indicator of future behaviour. [/quote]

What are the signposts of such a women? Over the long and short term?[/quote]

Well, it’s more of a visceral impression than a hard and fast checklist I run through. Very much like when you’re deciding whether or not you trust someone you just met. It’s not necessarily evidence based, but it’s generally accurate.

Attempting to break it down a little, here’s what I’ve noticed. these women’s issues generally centre around excessive pleasure/attention seeking behaviour and inability to establish and respect adequate boundaries. What this looks like, IME: excessively “open” body language, especially in settings where it’s not particularly appropriate (i.e. work vs the club), tendency to encroach on personal space, tendency to give TMFI and/or ask excessively personal questions and put people on the spot, deliberately creating uncomfortable situations, need to monopolize attention and conversation in group settings, binge behaviour of all kinds (eating, drinking, partying, spending, sex, drugs etc), high risk behaviours (sexual and otherwise), making major presumptions about people’s (especially, but not exclusively guys’) willingness to put up with generally socially unacceptable behaviour, chronic lateness and general unreliability, addiction issues, frequent significant life changes, disproportionate number of male acquaintances (“beta orbiters” for the Game oriented), difficulty spending time alone (need an audience), continuing to actively cultivate new male acquaintances when in a relationship, difficulty maintaining healthy female friendships, forming inappropriate, although not necessarily explicitly sexual, relationships with males in positions of authority (bosses, teachers etc), seeming inability to flirt without coming across like they “mean it”, history of dysfunctional sexual conduct and/or abuse, relevant to this thread a large number of sexual partners and often an early first sexual experience.

There are more, but this should get you started. I’m sure some out there would say this describes the majority of girls/women aged 17-24. I can’t say, as I rarely hang out with women in that age group anymore. I would say however that more girls are trying to be this girl than actually are this woman. If they practice long enough though, it probably doesn’t matter.

Out of curiosity, are you asking so you can find this woman, or so you can avoid her?

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[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Basically, the underlying TRUTH of the matter is that you can’t turn a ho into a housewife. Seriously. Why anyone disputes this is beyond me. Women who have experienced a lot of cock have a high “novelty seeking index”… It’s how they are WIRED… You think that a ring on her finger is just going to turn that off? There are so many emotional and psychological layers to this it’s not even funny.

But despite our insistence as a culture that we can ALL be special snowflakes (cough, cough BULLSHIT!!!) it comes down to this: is she a “good” girl, or a “bad” girl? A good girl can be a lady in the living room and taught to be a whore in the bedroom. A bad girl is just a whore everywhere she goes. And everybody knows it. She betrays it with the looks she gives, her body language and her lack of boundaries.

I can spot a whore a mile away. It’s just a matter of seeing how she responds when I push a few buttons. And the sad sad truth of it is that in today’s society, where the MEDIA is conditioning our younger generations to care more about which guy XYZ Kardashian is fucking than who their state senator is, more and more young women are turning into whores. Before they are even old enough to think responsibly, they’ve already had a dozen dicks up in them. And they call it “progress”… LMAO

It’s fine by me. I like fucking strange pussy and these days it’s like shooting fish in a barrel. I literally don’t have to try anymore. The biggest challenge is the schedule.[/quote]

I can’t agree with you wholesale on this issue, however anecdotally, in my experience you have a point. My sample is much smaller than your own, but I still reached a few conclusions.

I came VERY close to marrying a girl with, ahem… a very high “novelty seeking index”. By the time we got together at age 20, I was her number 12 as I recall, and that included some fairly exotic stuff. This was 15 years ago, so I expect that made her even more of an outlier than a girl of the same age and number would be today. We lasted 3 years, which I actually consider something of an accomplishment given her temperament.

She engaged in a lot of high risk activity (sexual and otherwise) and was dating somebody when we got together. Unsurprising, in hindsight, she was unable to “turn it off” despite her (IMO) heartfelt professions of undying love and desire to build a future together. She just wasn’t made that way. I don’t blame her, I should have known she was a scorpion when we started swimming across the river. Did I mention I was 20 and she was… very attractive.

Now I can recognize “that” girl in seconds, fractions of seconds even. There are clearly identifiable patterns that are unmistakable. I also agree that “that” girl is being heavily promoted in the media under the guise of empowerment etc. I personally don’t see how hedonism, drug abuse, promiscuity and lack of impulse control are especially empowering, but what do I know?

I believe we should deal with people on a case by case basis. However, I have also noticed that we fall into very definite “types” which exhibit extremely predictable patterns of thought and action. An individual, through self awareness and a concerted effort of will can break out of their type/pattern and on occasion anybody can surprise you, but more often than not, you can bet on the pattern.

Past behaviour is the best indicator of future behaviour. [/quote]

What are the signposts of such a women? Over the long and short term?[/quote]

Well, it’s more of a visceral impression than a hard and fast checklist I run through. Very much like when you’re deciding whether or not you trust someone you just met. It’s not necessarily evidence based, but it’s generally accurate.

Attempting to break it down a little, here’s what I’ve noticed. these women’s issues generally centre around excessive pleasure/attention seeking behaviour and inability to establish and respect adequate boundaries. What this looks like, IME: excessively “open” body language, especially in settings where it’s not particularly appropriate (i.e. work vs the club), tendency to encroach on personal space, tendency to give TMFI and/or ask excessively personal questions and put people on the spot, deliberately creating uncomfortable situations, need to monopolize attention and conversation in group settings, binge behaviour of all kinds (eating, drinking, partying, spending, sex, drugs etc), high risk behaviours (sexual and otherwise), making major presumptions about people’s (especially, but not exclusively guys’) willingness to put up with generally socially unacceptable behaviour, chronic lateness and general unreliability, addiction issues, frequent significant life changes, disproportionate number of male acquaintances (“beta orbiters” for the Game oriented), difficulty spending time alone (need an audience), continuing to actively cultivate new male acquaintances when in a relationship, difficulty maintaining healthy female friendships, forming inappropriate, although not necessarily explicitly sexual, relationships with males in positions of authority (bosses, teachers etc), seeming inability to flirt without coming across like they “mean it”, history of dysfunctional sexual conduct and/or abuse, relevant to this thread a large number of sexual partners and often an early first sexual experience.

There are more, but this should get you started. I’m sure some out there would say this describes the majority of girls/women aged 17-24. I can’t say, as I rarely hang out with women in that age group anymore. I would say however that more girls are trying to be this girl than actually are this woman. If they practice long enough though, it probably doesn’t matter.

Out of curiosity, are you asking so you can find this woman, or so you can avoid her?

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Thank you for the response. Avoid, avoid like the plague.