I’m on 175mg test prop per week and my total T is 467ng/dl.
I feel as though this may be too low. What are your thoughts? I’m on doctor prescribed TRT.
SB
How often are you shooting?
Are you trolling …you’ve been around this long and really have to ask that?
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What is free t? How often are you pinning?
Everyday.
SB
Not trolling but haven’t actually cycled for a long time, been out of the game for a while.
@mnben87 free t is 17ng/dl.
Ultimately I know a number is just a number, it’s more about how you feel, I feel OK but unsure if OK is optimal.
SB
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Pinning frequency, and when I’m relation to the pin did you do bloods?
Btw, back looks sick in your avatar!
Everyday pinning, mentioned above.
This result was from the morning before the next injection, so at the trough.
And thank you! That was a while ago when experimenting with abit of slin (dropped it after 2 weeks). @mnben87
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Your peak levels would probably without further data be around 1.5 times that so 700 ng/dL.
I think in the long run this is very “healthy”. I know that living longer instead of having a greater health span is often not the goal here. People don’t care about living to 90 but want to live until 75-80 fit.
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ok i didn’t think you were, yes that’s very low especially if you’ve been on that dose for a while and to pin daily and pull before a pin on Prop there shouldn’t be that much up and down at all between peak and trough. Bare minimum you should be at 700 i would say…
Interesting. I also think lower dose is healthier but sometimes I get periods where I’m not feeling OK and I’m thinking it could be low test. I’m not sure. Prolactin and E were elevated but they’re in range now.
SB
I’ve been thinking about this too. I’m not too sure on the next steps. I don’t react well to higher doses of test, mentally I get very unstable. So I’m abit stumped on how to proceed.
SB
@hrdlvn I saw your post about low shbg, its something I suffer from hence why my doc switched me from sustanon every 5d to test prop ED which definitely helped. But I feel my low shbg is an issue which causes mental sides on high and low test due to unbound E2.
What are your thoughts on this?
SB
Incorrect. While on cyp there may be no significant variation, there is to be expected a minimum 40% drop on prop, more if shallow IM.
The OP may well have in all probability levels over a 1000ng/dl during the day.
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Singhbuilder I have always looked at low SHGB as a blessing. On 100mg/w T cyp my Free T is just a little above range. I use anastrozole to control my E2 in the mid 20’s
I do understand the mental sides you speak of I suffer from GADs and take benzo’s when I can’t control my anxiety or go into a panic attack. The mid range E2 really helps keep my mind stable.
I have no experience with sustanon but the T cyp works great taken twice a week. I inject Monday and Thursday. When cycling I keep the TRT injections the same and just add T E M/W/F
Hmm, it’s tough to quantify how much of a drop you are getting with the prop. Some say depending on a few factors like carrier oil that prop can have a really fast half life. Like 4-5 hours. If that’s the case, you may have high levels on the injection day, with a huge drop over night.
If you were trying to get shbg down, ED injections make sense to me. What about trying a longer ester ED? Something like test e or c. Keep the dose the same, and retest in 6 weeks.
So E2 could be my problem then. Although I haven’t used an AI in years, I hate using them and I’m an over responder.
The mental sides for me are sometimes unbearable. And they just come on at random times. Paranoia, jealousy, anxiety, extreme over protectiveness. Test cyp at 100mg 2x a week was probably my best protocol but that was UGL, my doc only has sust or prop.
SB
I believe my carrier oil is peanut oil but I’ll have to confirm. Your points do certainly make sense, sometimes I can feel the fluctuations from morning to evening (or I could just be tired from work).
I also thought about the longer ester but I believe they said the bolus of drug will be so small it will not work for me due to low shbg.
SB
Hmm, I think the advantage you would see with micro dosing a long ester would be not driving down shbg. You would probably feel the same day to night as your levels would be very constant.
You wouldn’t get the feeling of a spike like prop, that may be advantageous, or not depending on what you are looking for.
If you are committed to ED injections, you could try a bit of long ester, and a bit of prop mixed together. Perhaps half and half.
The trick with AI’s is a very little goes a long way and you must give it time to work.
Here is my Peak not trough bloods on 100mg Tcyp /w and no AI.
Note the freeT and E2 and shgb If I take 0.125mg of anastrozole with every shot so 0.25mg/wk I can knock my E2 down to 40 and if I take one more 0.125mg it goes to 24 which is my sweet spot. It took me years to get me figured out. Good Luck
