How Long to Stay at Weight After Bulk?

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I have a friend who claims authority about lifting because he’s a doctor. He benches 155 lbs (with a spot according to him).

Anyways, I’ll stop trolling and let you continue giving advice X, because clearly you of all people have experience getting shredded.[/quote]

? I haven’t been shredded. Good thing this thread wasn’t about that.

I bench way more than 155…;and that is me in that avatar pic taken yesterday…so I am not understanding why anyone wold question whether I know anything at all about weight lifting.

These threads deteriorate into nonsense.

I’m here to discuss how to get really built. Honestly, to all of you droning on and on about “my attitude”…who cares? Do you all need an “attitude complaint” forum for this?

Keep this thread on topic.

Honestly, browndisaster, work on building more muscle way more than you worry about following me around.

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I’m calling bullshit on the whole ‘lean bulk’ thing, and as much as I regret doing it, I’m calling bullshit on Stu’s replies to this thread. Stu clearly concedes that he built his substrate carring extra bodyweight and lifting heavy. Now; while standing at the top of the stairs he recommends others follow a different path. He would like everyone (himself included)to believe that he would have reached the point he is at without the ‘bulking’ and ‘top-end’ work that litters his past. Poppycock! If Stu had never ran his weight up into the 225 range his stage weight would be 165 not 176. Of course we’ll never know; he did it the traditional way and make any claim he would like at this point. When Stu states that a lifter reaches a point where the extra-body weight interferes with progress, he is correct. The idea that anyone his advocating becoming a fatass is false, but only those in the sweet spot of there maturation cycle(and they would have probably added that LBM without the training) and the genetically blessed are going to add much LBM while in ‘all abs in’ condition. I’ve been training for over twenty five years and every single ‘big’ person I have ever known (male & female alike) got there the same way.

Disclaimer: nothing contained in my post should be interpreted to mean that I am not a fan of Stu.

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[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
I’m calling bullshit on the whole ‘lean bulk’ thing, and as much as I regret doing it, I’m calling bullshit on Stu’s replies to this thread. Stu clearly concedes that he built his substrate carring extra bodyweight and lifting heavy. Now; while standing at the top of the stairs he recommends others follow a different path. He would like everyone (himself included)to believe that he would have reached the point he is at without the ‘bulking’ and ‘top-end’ work that litters his past. Poppycock! If Stu had never ran his weight up into the 225 range his stage weight would be 165 not 176. Of course we’ll never know; he did it the traditional way and make any claim he would like at this point. When Stu states that a lifter reaches a point where the extra-body weight interferes with progress, he is correct. The idea that anyone his advocating becoming a fatass is false, but only those in the sweet spot of there maturation cycle(and they would have probably added that LBM without the training) and the genetically blessed are going to add much LBM while in ‘all abs in’ condition. I’ve been training for over twenty five years and every single ‘big’ person I have ever known (male & female alike) got there the same way.

Disclaimer: nothing contained in my post should be interpreted to mean that I am not a fan of Stu. [/quote]

Agree completely.

I discuss the shit I actually DID to get big…not “theory” alone.

Yes, I bulked up. Why would I now tell other people not to when it is why I got this big?

I see this alot…and I see a lot of the guys following this never really getting that big.

My goal was not to be “average built”. My goal was pushing limits…and I did that.

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I have a friend who claims authority about lifting because he’s a doctor. He benches 155 lbs (with a spot according to him).

Anyways, I’ll stop trolling and let you continue giving advice X, because clearly you of all people have experience getting shredded.[/quote]

You are wading into the deep end here…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
I’m calling bullshit on the whole ‘lean bulk’ thing, and as much as I regret doing it, I’m calling bullshit on Stu’s replies to this thread. Stu clearly concedes that he built his substrate carring extra bodyweight and lifting heavy. Now; while standing at the top of the stairs he recommends others follow a different path. He would like everyone (himself included)to believe that he would have reached the point he is at without the ‘bulking’ and ‘top-end’ work that litters his past. Poppycock! If Stu had never ran his weight up into the 225 range his stage weight would be 165 not 176. Of course we’ll never know; he did it the traditional way and make any claim he would like at this point. When Stu states that a lifter reaches a point where the extra-body weight interferes with progress, he is correct. The idea that anyone his advocating becoming a fatass is false, but only those in the sweet spot of there maturation cycle(and they would have probably added that LBM without the training) and the genetically blessed are going to add much LBM while in ‘all abs in’ condition. I’ve been training for over twenty five years and every single ‘big’ person I have ever known (male & female alike) got there the same way.

Disclaimer: nothing contained in my post should be interpreted to mean that I am not a fan of Stu. [/quote]

Agree completely.

I discuss the shit I actually DID to get big…not “theory” alone.

Yes, I bulked up. Why would I now tell other people not to when it is why I got this big?

I see this alot…and I see a lot of the guys following this never really getting that big.

My goal was not to be “average built”. My goal was pushing limits…and I did that.[/quote]

You know what, I honestly think a lot of guys can’t see past the attitude of authority that you “seem” to give off. I really think your post was very sincere and you really believe that if the bulking worked and is working for you, why would you tell someone otherwise. In my personal experience, I truly believe I wouldn’t have built as much muscle in the 3 years of training had I been eating “slightly” above maintenance. I just wanted to finally lose some of the extra fat that obviously will come from being in an anabolic state. In terms of scientific background, if you understand physiology, you will know that it really really is hard to gain muscle at a rate that guys like X and myself and many others would love without also putting yourself in a state also prime for putting on fat. Yes, there are some whose metabolisms are much more efficient at the muscle gain side as opposed to fat gain. This is the whole genetics card obviously.
To be devil’s advocate here, I think Stu and X are both actually correct. There is no black and white in this. The main point is what is your goal. I do believe that if X ate much more conservatively, maybe he would reach the size he’s at now, but it would probably have taken a good deal more years. Maybe he would never reach the size he is now too, who knows. Lets just back off caring about people’s attitudes and try to keep this all objective as possible.

Ok, done with my little rant.

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[quote]DaBeard wrote:

You know what, I honestly think a lot of guys can’t see past the attitude of authority that you “seem” to give off. I really think your post was very sincere and you really believe that if the bulking worked and is working for you, why would you tell someone otherwise. In my personal experience, I truly believe I wouldn’t have built as much muscle in the 3 years of training had I been eating “slightly” above maintenance. I just wanted to finally lose some of the extra fat that obviously will come from being in an anabolic state. In terms of scientific background, if you understand physiology, you will know that it really really is hard to gain muscle at a rate that guys like X and myself and many others would love without also putting yourself in a state also prime for putting on fat. Yes, there are some whose metabolisms are much more efficient at the muscle gain side as opposed to fat gain. This is the whole genetics card obviously.
To be devil’s advocate here, I think Stu and X are both actually correct. There is no black and white in this. The main point is what is your goal. I do believe that if X ate much more conservatively, maybe he would reach the size he’s at now, but it would probably have taken a good deal more years. Maybe he would never reach the size he is now too, who knows. Lets just back off caring about people’s attitudes and try to keep this all objective as possible.

Ok, done with my little rant.
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Agree with this post…but I wanted to comment about this statement in paerticular.:

Like I have said many times on this board, your body does NOT have forever to gain a lot of size. After the age of 35, you can pretty much hang up any massive bulking up with the aid of your own body’s natural growth hormones like someone under the age of 25 might experience.

That is why THE LENGTH OF TIME IT TAKE TO GET SWOLE is such a factor and WHY i justify “bulking up” at all. I’m a big guy. Big enough for people to comment on it when they see me initially. There is no fucking way in hell I would have reached this point physically had I done my diet drastically different because I was one of the few who made a lot of progress while continuing schooling that keeps most people out of the gym for the most part.

The benefits included:
-seeing progress through times of great stress

there were WEEKS that went by where all we did was take tests. Had I been way more conservative with my diet through these times, my progress would have been more limited due to less sleep and more stress alone.

I have listed “theory” for the physical benefits as well and nothing I have written is about becoming obese or so fat you can’t lose it later.

Bottom line, take advantage of the limited time you have. If your goal is to be massive, you can’t waste time on this shit if you have the genetics.

Still trying to get big yet not being there over the age of 30 will likely mean you just won’t get there…

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when did your blood pressure get so high dude? mine went down when I lost the fat…

I hope I don’t spend my later years typing the same story about how I “made it” on a bodybuilding forum several times a week. I guarantee that you’d being uncomfortable posting a shirtless picture today, which really sets off my BS alarm.

ps I hope I don’t make you angry enough to post gun threats again.

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I guarantee that you’d being uncomfortable posting a shirtless picture today, which really sets off my BS alarm.
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Me taken 10 Feb 2013 255lbs.

This is me at probably the “fattest” I plan to get right now.

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nice! I can see the beginnings of hawt abs. Now post a video of you doing a lunge and I’ll shut up. Sorry for all the midday “quarterbacking” I’m making you do.

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
nice! I can see the beginnings of hawt abs. Now post a video of you doing a lunge and I’ll shut up. Sorry for all the midday “quarterbacking” I’m making you do.[/quote]

You aren;t doing anything but making yourself look bad in this thread.

I think most of the forum has had enough of these same types of threads where you all turn everything into bullshit.

Bottom line, I’m not fat. This is me at the heaviest I have been in a year…AFTER RECOVERING FROM A MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT (that included broken bones and a serious back injury). No one is telling people to “get fat”…so this thread should remain on topic…and yes, I do think pulling off that kind of progress after a major accident deserves the ability to claim it as “success”. Sorry if that offends.

Most of you guys starting this shit don’t have the muscle or the ability to help anyone else to justify the shit talking.

So please, do me and everyone else a favor and stop cluttering this board.

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lol, what about stu and stormthebeach? It would be nice if you posted less so those guys would post more. I think that’s what most people here want: discussions instead of your diatribes.

I think you should be able to do a lunge, especially seeing as you posted for years, in all caps, about how bodybuilding is functional. My fat uncle did one a couple months ago. When he woke up from his ACL surgery, the doctor made him do a few to build confidence in the strength of the cadaver tissue in his knee.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:

I took A&P, graduate level kines, graduate mus. phys., and have a master’s in human phys. I also know how to run an IV. If I were going around saying that I were a professional exercise physiologist or a fucking nurse, I would kick my own ass.[/quote]

? Unless you are a nurse, what is your point? People call me Doctor all day, not “dentist”.

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Literally, none of that information you learned (except for maybe mechanisms of injury and GAS) has anything to do with anything you or anyone does in the weightroom.[/quote]

We aren’t just discussing the weight room here, even though I have worked as a personal trainer also. We are discussing how the body can change over time…which would fall right in line here.

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Medical backround, in my experience, is inversly related with what actually happens in the weightroom. There is not one doctor, athletic trainer, or PT I have met in my training lifetime (14 years) and professional experience (6 years) that hasn’t said “lifting weights is bad for you.” [/quote]

? I have friends who lift who are MD’s. There are many more now than ever. Many of the guys at Ben Taub look like they played football. Maybe I live in a larger city than you.

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I personally am offended by most of your posts. Mostly because there are a lot of younger people on here who might think you have any idea what you are talking about.[/quote]

? I am not even sure what this means. I have been here long enough for people to know if I know what I am talking about or not.[/quote]

My point is, you can’t put a bottle rocket up your ass and call yourself an astronaut. Much like (unless you are explaining to someone the skeletal adaption of your incisors to resistance training) how the fact that you are medically trained to use a fucking tooth brush, doesn’t make you a doctor in any field relevent to exercise and adaptations to the body over time.

Personal trainers, on the whole, might be the only group of people that know less about exercise than doctors. That was a horrible credibility reference.

Along the same lines as above “guys who looked like they played football” usually means a tall guy and everyday is arm day. This literally means less than nothing.

I agree, you have been here long enough for most people to be pissed off at the things you say.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Classic Professor X. It’s always everyone else that has the problem.

When of the the nicest and most helpful guys on the entire site tells you have a nasty attitude and you still refuse to listen, then nothing is going get through to you.[/quote]

But…why would YOU or anyone else care what someone thinks about your attitude?

I’m not here to please you, Stu, or anyone else in particular. If you don’t like me, who cares?[/quote]

Because you’re attitude frequently turns threads into shit storms. The bodybuilding forum has a completely different feel to it when you’re not posting and being a dick to everyone who doesn’t agree with you.

You act like a spoiled brat who always has to get his way. Try being an adult who can exchange ideas and information and doesn’t resort to insulting and belittling people who have opposing opinions.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I guarantee that you’d being uncomfortable posting a shirtless picture today, which really sets off my BS alarm.
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Me taken 10 Feb 2013 255lbs.

This is me at probably the “fattest” I plan to get right now.

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Resolution on shirted AVI picture… crystal clear. Resolution on shirtless “fat” picture… taken during earthquake.

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Classic Professor X. It’s always everyone else that has the problem.

When of the the nicest and most helpful guys on the entire site tells you have a nasty attitude and you still refuse to listen, then nothing is going get through to you.[/quote]

But…why would YOU or anyone else care what someone thinks about your attitude?

I’m not here to please you, Stu, or anyone else in particular. If you don’t like me, who cares?[/quote]

Because you’re attitude frequently turns threads into shit storms. The bodybuilding forum has a completely different feel to it when you’re not posting and being a dick to everyone who doesn’t agree with you.

You act like a spoiled brat who always has to get his way. Try being an adult who can exchange ideas and information and doesn’t resort to insulting and belittling people who have opposing opinions.[/quote]

Wow. What insults have I thrown in this thread?

You are the only one calling anyone names or acting childish. This thread isn’t about any of what you are here for again.

I haven’t turned this thread into a shit storm. That is something you and friends do no matter what I write. You sit and wait for this…and then blame me for it.

It is getting sad on your end.

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[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I guarantee that you’d being uncomfortable posting a shirtless picture today, which really sets off my BS alarm.
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Me taken 10 Feb 2013 255lbs.

This is me at probably the “fattest” I plan to get right now.

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Resolution on shirted AVI picture… crystal clear. Resolution on shirtless “fat” picture… taken during earthquake.[/quote]

Wow

Clear enough for you?

I have more if you are still looking for things to complain about.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think most of the forum has had enough of these same types of threads where you all turn everything into bullshit.
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Do you ever stop to wonder why it always happens to YOU? Why do the same posters give you crap all the time and no one else?

You probably think it’s jealousy; cuz you’re so swole. If that was the case then people like Synergy (i.e, people far more developed than you) would have many more haters. But they don’t; not even one. You’re an asshole and people have had enough of it. You always talk about how the forums have degraded over the years start, but fail to see the role you have played in it.

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think most of the forum has had enough of these same types of threads where you all turn everything into bullshit.
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Do you ever stop to wonder why it always happens to YOU? Why do the same posters give you crap all the time and no one else?

You probably think it’s jealousy; cuz you’re so swole. If that was the case then people like Synergy (i.e, people far more developed than you) would have many more haters. But they don’t; not even one. You’re an asshole and people have had enough of it. You always talk about how the forums have degraded over the years start, but fail to see the role you have played in it.[/quote]

Hey, please show how I have been an “asshole” in this thread.

I’m waiting.

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Q: are you going to have kids or will this be your legacy

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
Q: are you going to have kids or will this be your legacy[/quote]

I hope not. He couldn’t even manage to take care of his puppy.