How Long to Stay at Weight After Bulk?

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
If dieting was the easy part, X wouldn’t quit diets after 1-2 weeks because he felt like he was “losing size” or need biweekly pizza buffet cheat meals right from the get-go. When someone who has both increased their initial bodyweight by 50+ lean lbs AND gotten to “back of the hand” leanness tells me, I’ll listen, but right now X might as well be trying to tell me what it’s like to grow up as a Mexican in Moscow.

My fiance has an elite powerlifting total and also took overall in her first physique show. She will tell you straight up that those 12 weeks leading into the physique show were far and above the most difficult 3 months of her life. I bulked up initially, spent 4 years pushing my weight up from 140 and lean to 220fat. I did it the way X is always endorsing on this site. As a matter of fact, I followed his advice to a “t” for the better part of my college years and graduated a full 80 lbs heavier. That’s all well and good if you take simple scale weight as a measuring stick of progress, but in order to get to the same level of leanness I had at the beginning of the push, I had to drop back down to the mid 160’s, and this took me EIGHT MONTHS of dedicated work and dealing with hunger, tiredness, and my lifts going to shit. Five years of work yielded 25 lbs of actual muscle (you know, that thing we’re all here to build). That’s right, 25 lbs in 4 years. I’m convinced I could have done better than that had I not chased the scale and fucked my hormonal profile up by being a fat ass at 20% bodyfat. In the year and a half since I finally lost the weight, my weight has only varied +/-10 lbs, but I’ve made huge changes in my physique, as those who know me IRL on this forum can attest. I really believe this is mostly attributable to my insulin sensitivity, p ratio, etc getting un-fucked as I was no longer forcing food on my body that it didn’t need. When it comes to bodybuilding, weight is a garbage metric. It’s like trying to judge how fast a car can go based on the size of it’s gas tank.[/quote]

yeah blame X because you didn’t know what you were doing.

did you ever consider that you weren’t eating enough protein, or that your routine was garbage, instead of blindly blaming calorie intake, though?

from 140 you should be able to get to 180-190 lean within 4 years, maybe even less… 140 is almost no muscle mass to begin with

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Yeah, go ahead and assume you know what I did for 4 years of training and apply some arbitrary number to what I personally should have been able to accomplish. Who’s the idiot in this conversation? Nice try with the troll account, though, X.

You’re right about one thing, 140 isn’t much muscle mass. I’m glad you can make that assertion without knowing my height (5’8"), but I’m in good “natural” shape at my current weight.

I really like the assumptions you make in the mental gymnastics you’re doing to dispute my assertions. Protein? 275-300g a day for the entire time I was in college. I stole a LOT of chicken from the dining hall over the years. A “lot of garbage”? Mostly chicken, eggs, pb, and red meat. I ate burgers when I felt like it and avoided fried foods and sweets for the most part. Some garbage, low protein diet, right?

You seem to be doing some grade-A nut swinging lately. Do you have any pics?[/quote]

140 lbs at 5’8 is very, very skinny. Don’t care how “good of shape” you are in. The way you are saying it makes it seem like you think you are realllly short.

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[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
If dieting was the easy part, X wouldn’t quit diets after 1-2 weeks because he felt like he was “losing size” or need biweekly pizza buffet cheat meals right from the get-go. When someone who has both increased their initial bodyweight by 50+ lean lbs AND gotten to “back of the hand” leanness tells me, I’ll listen, but right now X might as well be trying to tell me what it’s like to grow up as a Mexican in Moscow.

My fiance has an elite powerlifting total and also took overall in her first physique show. She will tell you straight up that those 12 weeks leading into the physique show were far and above the most difficult 3 months of her life. I bulked up initially, spent 4 years pushing my weight up from 140 and lean to 220fat. I did it the way X is always endorsing on this site. As a matter of fact, I followed his advice to a “t” for the better part of my college years and graduated a full 80 lbs heavier. That’s all well and good if you take simple scale weight as a measuring stick of progress, but in order to get to the same level of leanness I had at the beginning of the push, I had to drop back down to the mid 160’s, and this took me EIGHT MONTHS of dedicated work and dealing with hunger, tiredness, and my lifts going to shit. Five years of work yielded 25 lbs of actual muscle (you know, that thing we’re all here to build). That’s right, 25 lbs in 4 years. I’m convinced I could have done better than that had I not chased the scale and fucked my hormonal profile up by being a fat ass at 20% bodyfat. In the year and a half since I finally lost the weight, my weight has only varied +/-10 lbs, but I’ve made huge changes in my physique, as those who know me IRL on this forum can attest. I really believe this is mostly attributable to my insulin sensitivity, p ratio, etc getting un-fucked as I was no longer forcing food on my body that it didn’t need. When it comes to bodybuilding, weight is a garbage metric. It’s like trying to judge how fast a car can go based on the size of it’s gas tank.[/quote]

yeah blame X because you didn’t know what you were doing.

did you ever consider that you weren’t eating enough protein, or that your routine was garbage, instead of blindly blaming calorie intake, though?

from 140 you should be able to get to 180-190 lean within 4 years, maybe even less… 140 is almost no muscle mass to begin with

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Yeah, go ahead and assume you know what I did for 4 years of training and apply some arbitrary number to what I personally should have been able to accomplish. Who’s the idiot in this conversation? Nice try with the troll account, though, X.

You’re right about one thing, 140 isn’t much muscle mass. I’m glad you can make that assertion without knowing my height (5’8"), but I’m in good “natural” shape at my current weight.

I really like the assumptions you make in the mental gymnastics you’re doing to dispute my assertions. Protein? 275-300g a day for the entire time I was in college. I stole a LOT of chicken from the dining hall over the years. A “lot of garbage”? Mostly chicken, eggs, pb, and red meat. I ate burgers when I felt like it and avoided fried foods and sweets for the most part. Some garbage, low protein diet, right?

You seem to be doing some grade-A nut swinging lately. Do you have any pics?[/quote]

140 lbs at 5’8 is very, very skinny. Don’t care how “good of shape” you are in. The way you are saying it makes it seem like you think you are realllly short.[/quote]

Yes, 140 is very skinny. I’m not sure what the point of your post is, as I never said it wasn’t. I’m a fairly lean 170 now. My point was that following X’s advice got me to a place that I could have reached in equal or less time with less suffering following a different approach.

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[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:
140 lbs at 5’8 is very, very skinny. Don’t care how “good of shape” you are in. The way you are saying it makes it seem like you think you are realllly short.[/quote]

I can beat that! 130lbs at 5’ 11" bitches!

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
If dieting was the easy part, X wouldn’t quit diets after 1-2 weeks because he felt like he was “losing size” or need biweekly pizza buffet cheat meals right from the get-go. When someone who has both increased their initial bodyweight by 50+ lean lbs AND gotten to “back of the hand” leanness tells me, I’ll listen, but right now X might as well be trying to tell me what it’s like to grow up as a Mexican in Moscow.

My fiance has an elite powerlifting total and also took overall in her first physique show. She will tell you straight up that those 12 weeks leading into the physique show were far and above the most difficult 3 months of her life. I bulked up initially, spent 4 years pushing my weight up from 140 and lean to 220fat.

I did it the way X is always endorsing on this site. As a matter of fact, I followed his advice to a “t” for the better part of my college years and graduated a full 80 lbs heavier. That’s all well and good if you take simple scale weight as a measuring stick of progress, but in order to get to the same level of leanness I had at the beginning of the push, I had to drop back down to the mid 160’s, and this took me EIGHT MONTHS of dedicated work and dealing with hunger, tiredness, and my lifts going to shit.

Five years of work yielded 25 lbs of actual muscle (you know, that thing we’re all here to build). That’s right, 25 lbs in 4 years. I’m convinced I could have done better than that had I not chased the scale and fucked my hormonal profile up by being a fat ass at 20% bodyfat.

In the year and a half since I finally lost the weight, my weight has only varied +/-10 lbs, but I’ve made huge changes in my physique, as those who know me IRL on this forum can attest. I really believe this is mostly attributable to my insulin sensitivity, p ratio, etc getting un-fucked as I was no longer forcing food on my body that it didn’t need. When it comes to bodybuilding, weight is a garbage metric.

It’s like trying to judge how fast a car can go based on the size of it’s gas tank.[/quote]

I hate when people give that advice! To just eat and eat, muscle can only be synthesized at a certain rate and eating more will just get you fat. You should LEAN bulk gain slow. People get caught up in HEY but im 250 or he’s 260. Yeah that’s great but I could be 280 too! Alls it takes is less discipline and a lot of eating for just the sake of being BIG in a shirt.

Sorry to hear that you actually took that advice so seriously and ended up unhappy. I am glad your back on track and have come to the REALIZATION that that’s the wrong way to do things EFFICIENTLY and OPTIMALLY.

People always like to take an easier path, what’s wrong with being in control with what you eat and eating for a purpose (to gain LBM) not to feed like a sumo wrestler.

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[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
If dieting was the easy part, X wouldn’t quit diets after 1-2 weeks because he felt like he was “losing size” or need biweekly pizza buffet cheat meals right from the get-go. When someone who has both increased their initial bodyweight by 50+ lean lbs AND gotten to “back of the hand” leanness tells me, I’ll listen, but right now X might as well be trying to tell me what it’s like to grow up as a Mexican in Moscow.

My fiance has an elite powerlifting total and also took overall in her first physique show. She will tell you straight up that those 12 weeks leading into the physique show were far and above the most difficult 3 months of her life. I bulked up initially, spent 4 years pushing my weight up from 140 and lean to 220fat. I did it the way X is always endorsing on this site. As a matter of fact, I followed his advice to a “t” for the better part of my college years and graduated a full 80 lbs heavier. That’s all well and good if you take simple scale weight as a measuring stick of progress, but in order to get to the same level of leanness I had at the beginning of the push, I had to drop back down to the mid 160’s, and this took me EIGHT MONTHS of dedicated work and dealing with hunger, tiredness, and my lifts going to shit. Five years of work yielded 25 lbs of actual muscle (you know, that thing we’re all here to build). That’s right, 25 lbs in 4 years. I’m convinced I could have done better than that had I not chased the scale and fucked my hormonal profile up by being a fat ass at 20% bodyfat. In the year and a half since I finally lost the weight, my weight has only varied +/-10 lbs, but I’ve made huge changes in my physique, as those who know me IRL on this forum can attest. I really believe this is mostly attributable to my insulin sensitivity, p ratio, etc getting un-fucked as I was no longer forcing food on my body that it didn’t need. When it comes to bodybuilding, weight is a garbage metric. It’s like trying to judge how fast a car can go based on the size of it’s gas tank.[/quote]

yeah blame X because you didn’t know what you were doing.

did you ever consider that you weren’t eating enough protein, or that your routine was garbage, instead of blindly blaming calorie intake, though?

from 140 you should be able to get to 180-190 lean within 4 years, maybe even less… 140 is almost no muscle mass to begin with
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Do you even reading comprehension?

Or is English not your first language?

As Stronghold’s hetero life mate and a good friend of his fiancé, he didn’t undershoot his protein intake, if anything, it was
Overkill.

Lol, as a guy who’s gained 100lbs of bodyweight at one point, and is settling at a 75-80lb+ net bodyweight gain, I’ve share Stronghold’s same view that bulking and pushing the scale up for the shake of pushing it up is absolutely ass backwards

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Does anyone want to discuss how carrying an excess of body fat, getting all “bulked,” in most cases much more heavy than needed leads to low self-esteem, depression, confidence issues, delusion?

To me that is just one more reason to think a little bit more about sound nutrition and doing things with a good plan than anything else.

Nobody wants to develop some body image disorder because they’re all out bulking…trying to create fake ‘set points,’ whatever.

That’s what I fear for people when I see them doing this.

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:

Do you even reading comprehension?

Or is English not your first language?

As Stronghold’s hetero life mate and a good friend of his fiancÃ?©, he didn’t undershoot his protein intake, if anything, it was
Overkill.

Lol, as a guy who’s gained 100lbs of bodyweight at one point, and is settling at a 75-80lb+ net bodyweight gain, I’ve share Stronghold’s same view that bulking and pushing the scale up for the shake of pushing it up is absolutely ass backwards
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5’8 140 is nothing, and 20 lbs/year is nothing

dunno how you could blame X for getting fat on a slow bulk, no idea how you would manage to do that really

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[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

Do you even reading comprehension?

Or is English not your first language?

As Stronghold’s hetero life mate and a good friend of his fiancÃ??Ã?©, he didn’t undershoot his protein intake, if anything, it was
Overkill.

Lol, as a guy who’s gained 100lbs of bodyweight at one point, and is settling at a 75-80lb+ net bodyweight gain, I’ve share Stronghold’s same view that bulking and pushing the scale up for the shake of pushing it up is absolutely ass backwards
[/quote]

5’8 140 is nothing, and 20 lbs/year is nothing

dunno how you could blame X for getting fat on a slow bulk, no idea how you would manage to do that really

[/quote]

You can’t be serious?

You didn’t see the part where Stronghold said he started at 140, went to 220 and cut to the 170’s?

He’s NOT 140lbs AT THIS MOMENT

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[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
12-15 percent- i doubt most people would consider that lean [/quote]

You are right. I was just trying to be conservative so I wouldn’t get flamed. Lulz. I was really thinking 10-12%.

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:

Listen, I was not saying getting lean is easy. All I supported was the notion that gaining significant amounts of muscle is harder than getting lean. Why else can it take naturals literally years (5+) to put it on? It can take MONTHS to get lean. But literally YEARS to put on significant (above average) muscle mass. Lean being in the 12-15% bodyfat range by the way… I was never talking about being ‘shredded’ or contest lean.

I was also not advocating going beyond 20% bodyfat. But hey, glad I could make you laugh.
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You were just the last one in the train, bud. And I’m not even talking about contest lean…I’m talking 10%. That shit isn’t easy once you’re 15-20% BF. So I think it’s pretty reasonable to say getting lean is at least equally as hard as putting on muscle, and probably harder for guys who get too fat during a bulk. Again, speaking from my own experience, it was easy as shit to gain strength and scale weight when I was eating whatever I wanted, but I was barely 200 pounds after 8 weeks of dieting and my strength dropped through the floor. And what did that get me? 13% bodyfat…whoopdeefuckingdoo.

This is all about people who’ve never been lean overestimating how easy it will be for them to “someday” get leaner, and moreover how much muscle/strength/scale weight they’ll retain.[/quote]

Hey, thanks for remaining civil in your reply.

I greatly value others sharing personal experience and I appreciate it.

And I do understand what you are saying. I worked third shift for about a year and added in drinking 4 or 5 beers every day during that time while not training very much… my hormones crashed and I found myself with somewhat of a gut (still mostly flat though), beginnings of love handles, and gyno-like fat storage. So probably like 20-25% bodyfat.

I still have not fully recovered from that and it’s been almost 2 years now… it’s like my chest fat changed forever. Everywhere else leans out like it used to except my chest… farking hormones. I always attributed that to terrible sleep habits combined with lots of alcohol daily, though. I never considered it might have just been the fact I got kinda chubby.

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

Do you even reading comprehension?

Or is English not your first language?

As Stronghold’s hetero life mate and a good friend of his fiancÃ???Ã??Ã?©, he didn’t undershoot his protein intake, if anything, it was
Overkill.

Lol, as a guy who’s gained 100lbs of bodyweight at one point, and is settling at a 75-80lb+ net bodyweight gain, I’ve share Stronghold’s same view that bulking and pushing the scale up for the shake of pushing it up is absolutely ass backwards
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5’8 140 is nothing, and 20 lbs/year is nothing

dunno how you could blame X for getting fat on a slow bulk, no idea how you would manage to do that really

[/quote]

You can’t be serious?

You didn’t see the part where Stronghold said he started at 140, went to 220 and cut to the 170’s?

He’s NOT 140lbs AT THIS MOMENT

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it’s funny how most of the people who got really huge & muscled started out “fat”(which apparently is 15-20% BF), and then those same people come here and post how it wasn’t necessary

kind of like how people say heavy weights aren’t necessary, and in their past they were lifting heavy weights

its so easy to look back and pretend you could’ve done it another way

its like PX said though, lot of people here want to look like the scrawny/wimpy jersey shore dudes, stronghold if you want to stay 165 its your choice… at 5’8 i would look to be around 220-230 lean if you want to set any kind of challenge for yourself, though

and if I was 5’8 140 i would look to gain about 30-40 lbs a year for 2-3 years before thinking about cutting

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[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

Do you even reading comprehension?

Or is English not your first language?

As Stronghold’s hetero life mate and a good friend of his fiancÃ???Ã???Ã??Ã?©, he didn’t undershoot his protein intake, if anything, it was
Overkill.

Lol, as a guy who’s gained 100lbs of bodyweight at one point, and is settling at a 75-80lb+ net bodyweight gain, I’ve share Stronghold’s same view that bulking and pushing the scale up for the shake of pushing it up is absolutely ass backwards
[/quote]

5’8 140 is nothing, and 20 lbs/year is nothing

dunno how you could blame X for getting fat on a slow bulk, no idea how you would manage to do that really

[/quote]

You can’t be serious?

You didn’t see the part where Stronghold said he started at 140, went to 220 and cut to the 170’s?

He’s NOT 140lbs AT THIS MOMENT

[/quote]

it’s funny how most of the people who got really huge & muscled started out “fat”(which apparently is 15-20% BF), and then those same people come here and post how it wasn’t necessary

kind of like how people say heavy weights aren’t necessary, and in their past they were lifting heavy weights

its so easy to look back and pretend you could’ve done it another way

its like PX said though, lot of people here want to look like the scrawny/wimpy jersey shore dudes, stronghold if you want to stay 165 its your choice… at 5’8 i would look to be around 220-230 lean if you want to set any kind of challenge for yourself, though

and if I was 5’8 140 i would look to gain about 30-40 lbs a year for 2-3 years before thinking about cutting
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lol

I’m enjoying this trolljob

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[quote]yolo84 wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]yolo84 wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
And it’s goddamned hilarious when guys who’ve never been below a true 15% start talking about how easy it is to get lean.
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wtf

who are you to say what BF levels any of the guys here posting have had over the last 15-20 years for fucks sake

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A person with eyes and extensive experience measuring bodyfat with something other than a handheld Omron. It ain’t that hard to guess, no avi.
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so you have met multiple posters in this thread and personally measured their BF levels regularly throughout their lives?

oh ok then - that’s what you are implying with these dumb posts.

how do you know if steely d or prof x or whoever have never been under 15% BF before in their whole lives?

oh thats right you dont you’re talking complete shit.
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No, I’m just not as stupid and delusional as you. You can tell by looking at X’s ridiculous fuzzy pictures he’s well above 15% bodyfat. Same goes for SteelyD.

And once again, that’s fine. But that doesn’t change the fact they have no business talking about how easy it is to get lean.

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[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

Do you even reading comprehension?

Or is English not your first language?

As Stronghold’s hetero life mate and a good friend of his fiancÃ???Ã???Ã??Ã?©, he didn’t undershoot his protein intake, if anything, it was
Overkill.

Lol, as a guy who’s gained 100lbs of bodyweight at one point, and is settling at a 75-80lb+ net bodyweight gain, I’ve share Stronghold’s same view that bulking and pushing the scale up for the shake of pushing it up is absolutely ass backwards
[/quote]

5’8 140 is nothing, and 20 lbs/year is nothing

dunno how you could blame X for getting fat on a slow bulk, no idea how you would manage to do that really

[/quote]

You can’t be serious?

You didn’t see the part where Stronghold said he started at 140, went to 220 and cut to the 170’s?

He’s NOT 140lbs AT THIS MOMENT

[/quote]

it’s funny how most of the people who got really huge & muscled started out “fat”(which apparently is 15-20% BF), and then those same people come here and post how it wasn’t necessary

kind of like how people say heavy weights aren’t necessary, and in their past they were lifting heavy weights

its so easy to look back and pretend you could’ve done it another way

its like PX said though, lot of people here want to look like the scrawny/wimpy jersey shore dudes, stronghold if you want to stay 165 its your choice… at 5’8 i would look to be around 220-230 lean if you want to set any kind of challenge for yourself, though

and if I was 5’8 140 i would look to gain about 30-40 lbs a year for 2-3 years before thinking about cutting
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Let me repeat this once again for you:
I started out lifting at slightly under 130. At 140 I decided to follow X’s advice. I gained up to 220, meaning I gained about 90 lbs over the course of 4 years. I’m convinced at this point that you’re either a troll or an alternate account for PX. So this will be my last serious response to you.

Are we still talking about training naturally? You do realize what a lean 230 looks like on 5’8", right? Or are you using Professor X’s definition of “lean”, which really only requires that you not be so fat that you can’t see your own penis.

If or when I take drugs, of course my expectations would change, but seeing as how there is NO ONE ON THE PLANET carrying a lean 230 at 5’8" naturally, I don’t see how your delusions are relevant to a conversation about what is a realistic expectation and how to go about achieving it.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
When it comes to bodybuilding, weight is a garbage metric.
[/quote]

In this game of “adding-LBM-while-also-looking-good-along-the-way,” where SO MUCH is based on genetics, individual variability and subjective preferences, there are SO FEW truisms that apply across the board.

^^ The above is one of them.

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
On a cut, if you feel like beer and pizza, you just end up feeling empty and sad.
[/quote]

^^ And here’s another one.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
No, I’m just not as stupid and delusional as you. You can tell by looking at X’s ridiculous fuzzy pictures he’s well above 15% bodyfat. Same goes for SteelyD.

And once again, that’s fine. But that doesn’t change the fact they have no business talking about how easy it is to get lean.
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I believe I’m qualified on the matter…
I have been under 15% many times. I have been under 10% on a number of occasions. I was able to do so on everything from 30/60/10 macros to ketogenic diets. I will always argue that getting lean is easy compared to adding LBM. It may be very difficult to accept the amount of LBM one has when they get lean, but that is totally different than the act of getting lean. I always hear people speak of the ‘muscle’ they lost while dieting; my position would be that muscle lost on a cut was imaginary to start with.

I didn’t start training until I was 23+ years old. I never had the advantage of training during my maturation period. The 60 lbs of LBM I added was all as an adult. IMO…that makes a difference.

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[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
I’m very impressed with your video.

have you or do you plan to go the trt route. And I mean nooooo disrespect just wondering because you are getting older my dude and it is a subject that interests me because my levels have tested very incredibly low for my age.
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Thanks Paulie…your one of my favorite members, and a large man in your own right!

I haven’t ever had my levels checked…The only guys my age I know that are currently on trt are runners, and they seem to feel they have more muscle pulls and tendon issues than before they started. It’s not something I would rule out if things went ‘south’; but I’m stll able to get some quality work done once I get all the rust knocked-off and oil up all the moving parts.

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[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
I think that a lot of this discussion is colored by the fact that most on these boards are in college or their early 20s and do not have to make real priorities/choices compared to an adult like BlueCollar.

The 16 weeks of dieting is much more difficult than 16 weeks of bulking, of course. But if you’re someone with a demanding job, kids, and maybe one other hobby in life, then being someone who can consistently train for years on end to gain LBM is a real challenge and takes more dedication than a diet that’s measured in weeks, imo.[/quote]

A wise observation.
The birth of a child, the death of a marriage, two companies closing down, the ups and downs of loving and leaving, parenting, parenting, and more parenting, coaching, competitions, injuries, diets [restricted and surplus], aging parents, etc. The iron and sweat are the only thing that has been consistent.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Again, for me, this.

If your avi is current, you look amazing for 50. I don’t mean that to sound like I’m minimizing the compliment because you’re 50 (“… for 50”).

Many should strive for your look/strength period. I will shoot for that at 50 (10 years).

Are you keeping a log on TN?[/quote]

Thank You…youngsters don’t understand the effort required to remain in the ‘starting lineup’ as time goes by.
Last year in June…I was 208 that morning…I don’t keep a online log.
Keep pushing…!

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[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
I always hear people speak of the ‘muscle’ they lost while dieting; my position would be that muscle lost on a cut was imaginary to start with.[/quote]

I’m on the fence with whether I think this is one the dumber things posted in this thread, or one of the smartest.

Objectively, people(natural lifters especially) certainly do lose muscle while losing fat. That said though, an informed lifter knows this going into their diet, so they should expect some muscle loss, which means in some metaphoric sense that muscle was never there to begin with because it was never going to show on a lean physique.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
I always hear people speak of the ‘muscle’ they lost while dieting; my position would be that muscle lost on a cut was imaginary to start with.[/quote]

I’m on the fence with whether I think this is one the dumber things posted in this thread, or one of the smartest.

Objectively, people(natural lifters especially) certainly do lose muscle while losing fat. That said though, an informed lifter knows this going into their diet, so they should expect some muscle loss, which means in some metaphoric sense that muscle was never there to begin with because it was never going to show on a lean physique.[/quote]

Know Thyself