How Long Since You Changed Your Workout?

Well right now I’m working under the Total Body Training System. SO I keep my push, pull, press, quad/ham and 2 accessory lifts.

But I rotate the format every 5-6 weeks.

wk1-6: push, pull,quad/ham, press
wk 6-12: press, quad/ham, push, pull
wk 12-17: pull, press, quad/ham, push

and each cycle i use different accesory movements. from curls, dips, pull thru, kb swings, different core work et etc…

so that will be about 17 to 18 wks under TBT, then i’m coming back into powerlifting. so probably back to 5-3-1 or another PL style program.

Since you asked about chest and back, here are some examples (3x10 sets):

1 year ago
Bench: 75s
Decline hammer strength bench: 320
Flies: 40s
Seated hammer strength pulldown (pronated): 180
Barbell rows: 155
Seated cable rows (pronated): 180

Now
Bench: 95s
Decline hammer strength bench: 450
Flies: 50s
Seated hammer strength pulldown (pronated): 270
Barbell rows: 205
Seated cable rows (pronated): 260

Rather than detracting from the thread, if you have more questions, PM me.

[quote]forlife wrote:
Since you asked about chest and back, here are some examples (3x10 sets):

1 year ago
Bench: 75s
Decline bench: 320
Flies: 40s
Seated hammer strength pulldown (pronated): 180
Barbell rows: 155
Seated rows (pronated): 180

Now
Bench: 95s
Decline bench: 450
Flies: 50s
Seated hammer strength pulldown (pronated): 270
Barbell rows: 205
Seated rows (pronated): 260

Rather than detracting from the thread, if you have more questions, PM me.[/quote]

Surely that’s in Kg’s yes ?

Or else in 3 weeks in the gym i have your Bench beat already, thats only 34kgs can’t be right ?

I don’t get why there is not such a huge difference in a whole year,

20lbs on your Flat
120lbs on Decline
10lbs on Flyes
90lbs on HS Pulldown
50lbs on BB Rows’s
80lbs on Seated Rows

That’s 52 weeks worth of progression ?? Maybe you need less changing and more sticking with a program ?

One given to me runs for 18 weeks maybe take a look at it ?

Program you can see on Page 2 theres a link to it.

That’s 95s guy…as in 95 pound dumbbells. Kudos if you’re doing 95s after only 3 weeks of working out.

As a fucking hungarian phrase says “Már megtaláltam az igazit”, lit. I’ve found what works really well… For example for back, I’m doing pullups and deads. The third excersise is completely random, some cable work or T-bar-dumbbel rows… always sore and pumped from these two… I really enjoy dls especially, since I worked my 5RM to 350 since january when i started doing them. My back always have been my best muscle group, and I like to keep it simple. Goal is to add 100 pounds to 5rm until next january. Gotta work on the grip though that’s the weakest link in the movement.

It’d nice to try rack pulls, so I guess I pile up few plates under the weight to bringg it to kneeheight. Pity that I’m weak as fuck :smiley: Fixing that too…

[quote]forlife wrote:
That’s 95s guy…as in 95 pound dumbbells. Kudos if you’re doing 95s after only 3 weeks of working out.[/quote]

Ah i see might make it better if you put Dumbells / Barbell :stuck_out_tongue:

Apologies for the over-sight never tried Dumbells before :wink:

[quote]forlife wrote:
Since you asked about chest and back, here are some examples (3x10 sets):

1 year ago
Bench: 75s
Decline bench: 320
Flies: 40s
Seated hammer strength pulldown (pronated): 180
Barbell rows: 155
Seated rows (pronated): 180

Now
Bench: 95s
Decline bench: 450
Flies: 50s
Seated hammer strength pulldown (pronated): 270
Barbell rows: 205
Seated rows (pronated): 260

Rather than detracting from the thread, if you have more questions, PM me.[/quote]

Why do you always leave off “machine” after that decline claim. I don’t know why you wait for someone to call you out first. Of course someone is going to call you out because someone who could barbell decline bench 450 would not be using 95 lb dumbells on flat bench. It looks crazy because it is. I say drop that machine which is adding more then 200 lbs to your decline bench. There must be some crazy leverage going on with that machine.

Edited with a note that it is a hammer strength machine.

forlife,

How long have you been lifting?  I think I remember reading you've been at it like 7 years?  So, in 6 years, you got to the 75lb DB's?  Why do you think it took you so long?  Did you just not care about increasing strength?  Just curious.  My training partner is 150lbs and has been lifting for maybe a year and a half is using the 85's for 6-8 reps, and his progress has been relatively slow. 

Just curious man.

[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
forlife,

How long have you been lifting?  I think I remember reading you've been at it like 7 years?  So, in 6 years, you got to the 75lb DB's?  Why do you think it took you so long?  Did you just not care about increasing strength?  Just curious.  My training partner is 150lbs and has been lifting for maybe a year and a half is using the 85's for 6-8 reps, and his progress has been relatively slow. 

Just curious man.[/quote]

When i trained from 17yrs to 19rs i did loads of bullshit like drop-sets/super sets and fancy programs so my strength gains was shitty like that.

Once I started caring about strength and increasing it my progress soared.

[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
forlife,

How long have you been lifting?  I think I remember reading you've been at it like 7 years?  So, in 6 years, you got to the 75lb DB's?  Why do you think it took you so long?  Did you just not care about increasing strength?  Just curious.  My training partner is 150lbs and has been lifting for maybe a year and a half is using the 85's for 6-8 reps, and his progress has been relatively slow. 

Just curious man.[/quote]

I’m gunna guess it’s a combination of not eating enough and not pushing himself hard enough to drive the weights up.

That and if what was previously said (training chest/back 5x a week) his routine is horrible and holding him back too.

I’ve been at this seriously for about 6 months, and I’m flat benching the 90’s for 7 reps after doing inclines first.

I really think you’d see much better progress with a standard, modern BB approach.

I remember that whole TBT thread, though, so I’m not going to waste my time arguing :slight_smile:

I’ve been at it like 3 years now including the time off from broken collar bone and popping my right shoulder (which took 6 months to recover) and those events were spread out, not at the same time. And even with that I’ve out progressed everyone except maybe 2-3 people at my gym. Most the people look the same and use the same weight that I remember 3 years ago.

If anything they all look smaller to me now because I’m bigger than them. My guess is forlife fits into this normal, just happy to maintain and maybe make some slight gains here and there. Which is fine, not everyone has the drive or desire to be a fucking beast someday…I sure do though! What trips me out is how so many of these people make it to T-Nation tho.

Josh,

But he talks about the best “gains” he’s had and something or other… so clearly this is something he has in mind. And he considers himself a bodybuilder, not just a casual lifter. I just don’t see what kinds of gains he’s making.

[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
forlife,

How long have you been lifting?  I think I remember reading you've been at it like 7 years?  So, in 6 years, you got to the 75lb DB's?  Why do you think it took you so long?  Did you just not care about increasing strength?  Just curious.  My training partner is 150lbs and has been lifting for maybe a year and a half is using the 85's for 6-8 reps, and his progress has been relatively slow. 

Just curious man.[/quote]

I started out as a weak ass newbie and could barely bench 45 pound dumbbells. My first couple years of working out were mostly focused on losing 70 pounds of fat.

I’ve seen decent gains the past year, considering that I’m 43 years old :slight_smile:

I change my workout every single time I am in the gym. I either add more weight or do more reps.

[quote]forlife wrote:
bugeishaAD wrote:
forlife,

How long have you been lifting?  I think I remember reading you've been at it like 7 years?  So, in 6 years, you got to the 75lb DB's?  Why do you think it took you so long?  Did you just not care about increasing strength?  Just curious.  My training partner is 150lbs and has been lifting for maybe a year and a half is using the 85's for 6-8 reps, and his progress has been relatively slow. 

Just curious man.

I started out as a weak ass newbie and could barely bench 45 pound dumbbells. My first couple years of working out were mostly focused on losing 70 pounds of fat.

I’ve seen decent gains the past year, considering that I’m 43 years old :)[/quote]

I dropped over 50 lbs of fat when I first started and ended up at a weak ass 140 barely doing DB press with the 40-50s…I came from that plus 2 serious I juries that set me back about 6 months both times and Ive still made impressive progress for my amount of time lifting. I’m not trying to hate on you but the gains you listed for a year are doable in a couple mnths tops with a good routine, intensity, and FOOD. And your base lifts for after SIX years were pathetic man. If you truely consider yourself a bodybuilder you need to seriously reevaluate things and start doing things right, ASAP.

Thanks for sharing your opinion, and congrats on your progress.

[quote]forlife wrote:
Thanks for sharing your opinion, and congrats on your progress.[/quote]

Least your slow to anger lol bit over the top there Josh ?

But really, age is but a number you can still lift weight like someone younger than you… or if your just doing it for fun and don’t mind not progressing then have fun with it :slight_smile:

I completely agree on age not having to be an obstacle. I’ve seen my best progress over the past year, and am in the best shape of my life. Maybe by the time I hit 90 I’ll look like PX :slight_smile: