How Important are Social Relationships for Mental Health?

No.

Your lack of self-reliance is startling.

You either underestimate your son, or you overestimate your impact on him. If a child was nothing more than the sum of his parent’s, we would have died out long ago.

A good upbringing is not required to have a good life, but I’ll concede that it helps.

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Isn’t that all there is, nature and nurture?

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Heres the thing, and this is coming from personal experience- It doesnt matter who’s fault a persons state is, but it is that persons responsibility to themself to make the best of it.

I was handed a massive shit sandwich by my parents. Completely screwed up in literally every single way imaginable, and some that are truly unimaginable.

But its my responsibility to myself to make the best of it. I had to learn how to make a living. I had to learn to stop hitting people, I had to learn how to stay sober. I had to learn how to be a good partner to women. I had to learn (am still learning) how to be a good father. I have to learn how to manage heart disease.

Thats life.

Sitting around with a bunch of incells like in that documentary, buying each others bullshit isnt helping anybody. Reading a bunch of crap on the internet that confirms or reinforces an existing bias makes it worse.

There are very few circumstance that can’t be incorporated into a reasonably fulfilling life.

Just remember this- Stephen Hawking got divorced and married a second time.

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If you take some time to look through my posting history, you’ll see my commentary on how America life can be alienating for many (certainly not all) and the resultant poor mental health and anti-social behavior that occurs from this phenomenon. There are several books on the topic as well.

The Cliff’s notes are here:

  1. Destructive media.
  2. The deliberate destruction of social institutions—including the nuclear-family system (we are talking about your son here, so this should be noted)—that kept anti-social behavior in check. This second occurrence lead to an outrageous increase in the prison population in the past century.
  3. Destructive social and economic policies, including deindustrialization and “urban renewal” that broke up tightly-knit communities. Some of these policies cannot be mentioned here because they seem to never be discussed in a rational, unemotional manner, but if you use your brain, you an make educated guesses.
  4. The promotion of every sort of vice imaginable.

There is more to it, and if you want to dig deep into the matter, you’ll be busy for a long time.

Keep in mind, that when I use the word incel for my former self, I use the term as its creator intended it to be used, that being a term for a womanless man, one who wants a woman but doesn’t have one, whether it’s his fault or not. That’s it—nothing more!

I do not use it for its currently used definition for my former self; that is, a reclusive, socially or mentally maladjusted shut-in who says mean things about women and is considered by himself or others to be a member of a woman-hating online community in which members commiserate with one another.

With that said, I think it is more useful for you to focus on raising your son in a manner that will hopefully have him one day not being lonely despite the current warped social dynamics of the US and Anglosphere. Fathers can give sons big advantages in life with the right guidance and involvement. And this is especially needed with the outrageously competitive economic environment and sexual market of the current day.

The days of the many air-headed, tuned-out boomer dads are over! They came from an environment that was literally set up for most to succeed, including romantically, as can be seen in old photo albums showing schlubs with combovers, drab clothing, no gym time, and ordinary jobs, with pretty or cute women. Plenty had organically-formed social cliques.

I don’t know how old your son is, but you can do several things:

  1. Hold regular festivities with your extended family.
  2. Impart your knowledge and wisdom.
  3. Teach sports, work out together.
  4. Help with homework.
  5. Keep an eye out for his talents and abilities and steer him in the direction he can use these, and maybe even earn lots of money from them (I haven’t met a rich and lonely man actually).
  6. Do not pass on silly, feel-good, old-fashioned advice for dealing with women (eg, “Eventually you’ll find someone.”)
  7. You can even keep an eye out for a possibly suitable woman for him. My coworker actually met her husband like that. His dad said to her, “I think you should meet my son.”
  8. Join the PTA.
  9. Be aware of his social life.

I’m sure you know or will do much of this.

Like @SkyzykS said, it’s up to each man to deal with his situation. I obviously share your concern but your son is will likely benefit if you take action besides being concerned. Some of us didn’t even have dads and one in every four American households has no dad.

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So is life. If you don’t let school teach your son this, are you going to?

If the answer is ‘yes’, then homeschooling sounds great

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My five-year old son is in his first year of being homeschooled and I am still ambivalent about it.

It depends on which public school and the students. I believe the high school I went to was not a good fit for me. Though it sounds harsh, I don’t know how else to put this: I think many of the students were scum of the earth. It also had 4,000 students (talk about a great probability of feeling alienated). I don’t think every public school is like that.

Perhaps it is unnatural but there are also benefits in having hundreds of students in a building.

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If you don’t mind me asking, where are you from?

I feel like so many people complain about the bad aspects of school like bullying and students lack of interest in academics and find it funny because it seems to me that the modern school environment is exactly what causes this. Putting a bunch of kids together in one building who do not know or like most of the other students. And forcing kids to sit still for hours and do everything at the same pace as everyone else doing the exact same things as everyone else. Not to mention how academics are made stressful by grading which will make anything uninteresting.

These things would not happen naturally. Kids would never spend years around people they do not like. They would only hang around their family and friends without being forced to attend school. And if left to learn individually, kids would read things they were interested in more and all at their own pace. And without the constant stress of having to read a certain amount or memorize a certain amount by a fixed day, kids would not grow to hate academic subjects.

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I was grounded the entire summer after failing the school year because my mom comitted suicide and I was too upset to put forth the effort required.

So I spent 3 months smoking black hash and reading the Time-Life series on serial killers and mass murderers.

And I turned out just fine.

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Then they find one, move in with them for a couple of years and hate them even more :joy:

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U mad bro?

Am I the only one seeing “Is uh gonna be a train?” As the new thread title? What does that mean?

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I do see that, and a bunch of edited posts.

I think the OP might be in the midst of some regret or reconsideration.

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Oh okay good, I was worried that the forum was glitching out on me or something.

That’s my only contribution lol, please continue with your normal schedule programming :joy::joy:

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I’m not sure why. He addressed a topic that is worthy of discussion.