I feel responsible for starting this shit show, and I apologize profusely - apparently I have the innate ability to derail a thread even without trying.
sorry?
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
If you read things without preconceived notions, Jesus was kind of an asshole. I really didn’t expect that.[/quote]
IIRC, He outright states that he is an asshole, and that’s about the only way he can get all those Jews to follow the right path again.[/quote]
Any time someone gets in your face and tells you THEIR religion is the ONLY “true” path to <<<salvation/heaven/forgiveness/etc…>>> and if you don’t convert NOOOOOOOWWWW, you’ll go to HELL, they fall into the asshole category in my book.
Seriously, why do they care what happens to ME when I die? It’s none of their fucking business…[/quote]
Iâ??ve never had a serious non-insane person do that, BUT have you ever considered the perspective of a real believer? If you really believe Jesus is the only path to heaven and all others go to hell? What would you do if you actually 100% without a doubt believed that? It would be somewhat equivalent to watching others slowly reaching their hands towards a giant running meat grinder. If you really believed, youâ??d try to stop people.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
If you read things without preconceived notions, Jesus was kind of an asshole. I really didn’t expect that.[/quote]
IIRC, He outright states that he is an asshole, and that’s about the only way he can get all those Jews to follow the right path again.[/quote]
Any time someone gets in your face and tells you THEIR religion is the ONLY “true” path to <<<salvation/heaven/forgiveness/etc…>>> and if you don’t convert NOOOOOOOWWWW, you’ll go to HELL, they fall into the asshole category in my book.
Seriously, why do they care what happens to ME when I die? It’s none of their fucking business…[/quote]
Iâ??ve never had a serious non-insane person do that, BUT have you ever considered the perspective of a real believer? If you really believe Jesus is the only path to heaven and all others go to hell? What would you do if you actually 100% without a doubt believed that? It would be somewhat equivalent to watching others slowly reaching their hands towards a giant running meat grinder. If you really believed, youâ??d try to stop people. [/quote]
I have seen this, I have been told this - and this is from some Left Coast Christians…
My kids used to play in a worship band for a pentacostal church, and one of the kids in the band was subbed in from a Lutheran church - and the whispering that i heard from the long time members is that he is a good kid, and it’s too bad that he’ll never make it into heaven since he is a Lutheran…
wow, huh?
[quote]Edgy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
If you read things without preconceived notions, Jesus was kind of an asshole. I really didn’t expect that.[/quote]
IIRC, He outright states that he is an asshole, and that’s about the only way he can get all those Jews to follow the right path again.[/quote]
Any time someone gets in your face and tells you THEIR religion is the ONLY “true” path to <<<salvation/heaven/forgiveness/etc…>>> and if you don’t convert NOOOOOOOWWWW, you’ll go to HELL, they fall into the asshole category in my book.
Seriously, why do they care what happens to ME when I die? It’s none of their fucking business…[/quote]
I�¢??ve never had a serious non-insane person do that, BUT have you ever considered the perspective of a real believer? If you really believe Jesus is the only path to heaven and all others go to hell? What would you do if you actually 100% without a doubt believed that? It would be somewhat equivalent to watching others slowly reaching their hands towards a giant running meat grinder. If you really believed, you�¢??d try to stop people. [/quote]
I have seen this, I have been told this - and this is from some Left Coast Christians…
My kids used to play in a worship band for a pentacostal church, and one of the kids in the band was subbed in from a Lutheran church - and the whispering that i heard from the long time members is that he is a good kid, and it’s too bad that he’ll never make it into heaven since he is a Lutheran…
wow, huh?
[/quote]
That’s bad, but it ain’t exactly the same thing.
[quote]Edgy wrote:
I feel responsible for starting this shit show, and I apologize profusely - apparently I have the innate ability to derail a thread even without trying.
sorry?[/quote]
lol. Don’t stress it. Threads derail around here a lot, and this one was basically settled early so no real issue.
Aside from the fact AC and I agree on much more than we disagree on, and have had our back’s and forth’s a couple times.
This is tame and just honest “bullshitting” about the state of affairs, not really a shit show at all.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Edgy wrote:
this group is smarter than I have given them credit for.
[/quote]
I find most of the people who look down on this subforum do so due to one or more of the following reasons:
- They can’t comprehend someone might have a different opinion than they do.
- They can’t comprehend someone might have a reason for the differing opinion
- They can’t actually discuss things logically
- They are emotionally invested in their bias for whatever reason, therefor cognitive dissonance is very difficult for them, making ridicule of those that think differently more attractive (read: emotionally less expensive) than actually engaging in discourse and opening one’s self up to the opinions of those who disagree.
- They are ignorant on the subject matter, and smart enough to know it so they keep their opinions on what they don’t understand to themselves.
I suppose I could come up with more, but basically people shit on PWI to feel better about themselves, more often than not. (Sometimes the criticism is valid.)[/quote]
My biggest problem with this forum is that people don’t WANT to discuss the issues. Instead they take a single word from a sentence buried in paragraph 3 and challenge you on it, ignoring the discussion at hand. Or they build strawmen, red herrings, ad homonyms, and all those other debate tactics that most of us aren’t trying to deal with.
That and the general disrespect dished out regularly. “you’re not qualified to have this discussion” is a line often thrown out.
This is a sub-forum on a bodybuilding website. Sometimes people forget that. It’s not that people aren’t smart enough to have discussions here, it’s that some of the people who ARE more highly educated are fucking assholes to everyone who ISN’T a graduate student. Not everyone want’s to deal with being disrespected like that.[/quote]
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Edgy wrote:
this group is smarter than I have given them credit for.
[/quote]
I find most of the people who look down on this subforum do so due to one or more of the following reasons:
- They can’t comprehend someone might have a different opinion than they do.
- They can’t comprehend someone might have a reason for the differing opinion
- They can’t actually discuss things logically
- They are emotionally invested in their bias for whatever reason, therefor cognitive dissonance is very difficult for them, making ridicule of those that think differently more attractive (read: emotionally less expensive) than actually engaging in discourse and opening one’s self up to the opinions of those who disagree.
- They are ignorant on the subject matter, and smart enough to know it so they keep their opinions on what they don’t understand to themselves.
I suppose I could come up with more, but basically people shit on PWI to feel better about themselves, more often than not. (Sometimes the criticism is valid.)[/quote]
My biggest problem with this forum is that people don’t WANT to discuss the issues. Instead they take a single word from a sentence buried in paragraph 3 and challenge you on it, ignoring the discussion at hand. Or they build strawmen, red herrings, ad homonyms, and all those other debate tactics that most of us aren’t trying to deal with.
That and the general disrespect dished out regularly. “you’re not qualified to have this discussion” is a line often thrown out.
This is a sub-forum on a bodybuilding website. Sometimes people forget that. It’s not that people aren’t smart enough to have discussions here, it’s that some of the people who ARE more highly educated are fucking assholes to everyone who ISN’T a graduate student. Not everyone want’s to deal with being disrespected like that.[/quote]
Pointing out someone isn’t “qualified” to have a discussion, which I point out to Pitt every time he starts lying about taxation, isn’t disrespect, it is the truth. I’m not qualified to tell people how to tune a car, therefore I don’t pipe up in car threads. I mean, this is common sense here.
You have to deal with logically fallacy in all aspects of life, PWI is no different.
And it gets hard not to be an asshole when you have to point out the same shit over and over to the same people telling the same lies man. You know this, lol.
[/quote]
Calling out Pitt is one thing because of all the stupid shit he posts, but I’m talking about other posters expressing OPINIONS about certain topics. There are several “graduate students” here who like to flex their debate muscles by just acting like assholes all the time. They lose the forest for the trees most of the time, honing in on a detail and beating it to submission. Often times at the expense of the point the poster they are attacking is trying to make.
Personally, I come here to learn, express my Libertarian views and enjoy the discussion. I like to think that my 40 years on this planet have given me some perspective to offer an opinion or two that could be taken seriously every once in a while. I have also had several topics where my opinion has been swayed by those more educated on a subject than me. I think this is a VERY informed group. But I also think that the hostility and arrogance is a big turn off.
And I’m not buying your car analogy, Beansie - you can do better than that! Of course a car has a physical problem that a qualified technician can fix. But what’s the definition of “qualified” when it comes to religion and politics? Do I have to have PhD in religious studies to believe that the earth is more than 5000 years old? Do I need a poly sci degree with an international studies minor to understand that the US government is moving in a dangerous direction? Most of that is OPINION based on a person’s experience and thought process/logic. And there are MANY VALID opinions. They shouldn’t be dismissed summarily because one poster doesn’t agree with them based on “you’re not qualified to have this discussion”. That’s just lazy, rude and downright disrespectful. They certainly wouldn’t say it to the person’s face…
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Edgy wrote:
this group is smarter than I have given them credit for.
[/quote]
I find most of the people who look down on this subforum do so due to one or more of the following reasons:
- They can’t comprehend someone might have a different opinion than they do.
- They can’t comprehend someone might have a reason for the differing opinion
- They can’t actually discuss things logically
- They are emotionally invested in their bias for whatever reason, therefor cognitive dissonance is very difficult for them, making ridicule of those that think differently more attractive (read: emotionally less expensive) than actually engaging in discourse and opening one’s self up to the opinions of those who disagree.
- They are ignorant on the subject matter, and smart enough to know it so they keep their opinions on what they don’t understand to themselves.
I suppose I could come up with more, but basically people shit on PWI to feel better about themselves, more often than not. (Sometimes the criticism is valid.)[/quote]
My biggest problem with this forum is that people don’t WANT to discuss the issues. Instead they take a single word from a sentence buried in paragraph 3 and challenge you on it, ignoring the discussion at hand. Or they build strawmen, red herrings, ad homonyms, and all those other debate tactics that most of us aren’t trying to deal with.
That and the general disrespect dished out regularly. “you’re not qualified to have this discussion” is a line often thrown out.
This is a sub-forum on a bodybuilding website. Sometimes people forget that. It’s not that people aren’t smart enough to have discussions here, it’s that some of the people who ARE more highly educated are fucking assholes to everyone who ISN’T a graduate student. Not everyone want’s to deal with being disrespected like that.[/quote]
Pointing out someone isn’t “qualified” to have a discussion, which I point out to Pitt every time he starts lying about taxation, isn’t disrespect, it is the truth. I’m not qualified to tell people how to tune a car, therefore I don’t pipe up in car threads. I mean, this is common sense here.
You have to deal with logically fallacy in all aspects of life, PWI is no different.
And it gets hard not to be an asshole when you have to point out the same shit over and over to the same people telling the same lies man. You know this, lol.
[/quote]
Calling out Pitt is one thing because of all the stupid shit he posts, but I’m talking about other posters expressing OPINIONS about certain topics. There are several “graduate students” here who like to flex their debate muscles by just acting like assholes all the time. They lose the forest for the trees most of the time, honing in on a detail and beating it to submission. Often times at the expense of the point the poster they are attacking is trying to make.
Personally, I come here to learn, express my Libertarian views and enjoy the discussion. I like to think that my 40 years on this planet have given me some perspective to offer an opinion or two that could be taken seriously every once in a while. I have also had several topics where my opinion has been swayed by those more educated on a subject than me. I think this is a VERY informed group. But I also think that the hostility and arrogance is a big turn off.
And I’m not buying your car analogy, Beansie - you can do better than that! Of course a car has a physical problem that a qualified technician can fix. But what’s the definition of “qualified” when it comes to religion and politics? Do I have to have PhD in religious studies to believe that the earth is more than 5000 years old? Do I need a poly sci degree with an international studies minor to understand that the US government is moving in a dangerous direction? Most of that is OPINION based on a person’s experience and thought process/logic. And there are MANY VALID opinions. They shouldn’t be dismissed summarily because one poster doesn’t agree with them based on “you’re not qualified to have this discussion”. That’s just lazy, rude and downright disrespectful. They certainly wouldn’t say it to the person’s face…
[/quote]
It amuses me the people that think their posts are so superior to mine , @ Angry Chicken , really my only criticism is that you care too much what others ACT like they feel about you . When you do so they can manipulate you , Peace
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Edgy wrote:
this group is smarter than I have given them credit for.
[/quote]
I find most of the people who look down on this subforum do so due to one or more of the following reasons:
- They can’t comprehend someone might have a different opinion than they do.
- They can’t comprehend someone might have a reason for the differing opinion
- They can’t actually discuss things logically
- They are emotionally invested in their bias for whatever reason, therefor cognitive dissonance is very difficult for them, making ridicule of those that think differently more attractive (read: emotionally less expensive) than actually engaging in discourse and opening one’s self up to the opinions of those who disagree.
- They are ignorant on the subject matter, and smart enough to know it so they keep their opinions on what they don’t understand to themselves.
I suppose I could come up with more, but basically people shit on PWI to feel better about themselves, more often than not. (Sometimes the criticism is valid.)[/quote]
My biggest problem with this forum is that people don’t WANT to discuss the issues. Instead they take a single word from a sentence buried in paragraph 3 and challenge you on it, ignoring the discussion at hand. Or they build strawmen, red herrings, ad homonyms, and all those other debate tactics that most of us aren’t trying to deal with.
That and the general disrespect dished out regularly. “you’re not qualified to have this discussion” is a line often thrown out.
This is a sub-forum on a bodybuilding website. Sometimes people forget that. It’s not that people aren’t smart enough to have discussions here, it’s that some of the people who ARE more highly educated are fucking assholes to everyone who ISN’T a graduate student. Not everyone want’s to deal with being disrespected like that.[/quote]
Pointing out someone isn’t “qualified” to have a discussion, which I point out to Pitt every time he starts lying about taxation, isn’t disrespect, it is the truth. I’m not qualified to tell people how to tune a car, therefore I don’t pipe up in car threads. I mean, this is common sense here.
You have to deal with logically fallacy in all aspects of life, PWI is no different.
And it gets hard not to be an asshole when you have to point out the same shit over and over to the same people telling the same lies man. You know this, lol.
[/quote]
Calling out Pitt is one thing because of all the stupid shit he posts, but I’m talking about other posters expressing OPINIONS about certain topics. There are several “graduate students” here who like to flex their debate muscles by just acting like assholes all the time. They lose the forest for the trees most of the time, honing in on a detail and beating it to submission. Often times at the expense of the point the poster they are attacking is trying to make.
Personally, I come here to learn, express my Libertarian views and enjoy the discussion. I like to think that my 40 years on this planet have given me some perspective to offer an opinion or two that could be taken seriously every once in a while. I have also had several topics where my opinion has been swayed by those more educated on a subject than me. I think this is a VERY informed group. But I also think that the hostility and arrogance is a big turn off.
And I’m not buying your car analogy, Beansie - you can do better than that! Of course a car has a physical problem that a qualified technician can fix. But what’s the definition of “qualified” when it comes to religion and politics? Do I have to have PhD in religious studies to believe that the earth is more than 5000 years old? Do I need a poly sci degree with an international studies minor to understand that the US government is moving in a dangerous direction? Most of that is OPINION based on a person’s experience and thought process/logic. And there are MANY VALID opinions. They shouldn’t be dismissed summarily because one poster doesn’t agree with them based on “you’re not qualified to have this discussion”. That’s just lazy, rude and downright disrespectful. They certainly wouldn’t say it to the person’s face…
[/quote]
It amuses me the people that think their posts are so superior to mine , @ Angry Chicken , really my only criticism is that you care too much what others ACT like they feel about you . When you do so they can manipulate you , Peace
[/quote]
I don’t think your posts are “BAD”, more that it’s pretty obvious that you are stoned most of the time when you write them. LOL I wouldn’t want you to STOP posting… You DO have your lucid moments! But this is a conservative dominated board, so of course people think your posts are inferior 
As for your criticism, it’s probably warranted. I guess I am a little old school with how I want to be addressed. If I feel like someone is communicating with me in a way that they wouldn’t say to my face, it pisses me off. I don’t go out of my way to disrespect anyone personally, and I expect the same.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Edgy wrote:
this group is smarter than I have given them credit for.
[/quote]
I find most of the people who look down on this subforum do so due to one or more of the following reasons:
- They can’t comprehend someone might have a different opinion than they do.
- They can’t comprehend someone might have a reason for the differing opinion
- They can’t actually discuss things logically
- They are emotionally invested in their bias for whatever reason, therefor cognitive dissonance is very difficult for them, making ridicule of those that think differently more attractive (read: emotionally less expensive) than actually engaging in discourse and opening one’s self up to the opinions of those who disagree.
- They are ignorant on the subject matter, and smart enough to know it so they keep their opinions on what they don’t understand to themselves.
I suppose I could come up with more, but basically people shit on PWI to feel better about themselves, more often than not. (Sometimes the criticism is valid.)[/quote]
My biggest problem with this forum is that people don’t WANT to discuss the issues. Instead they take a single word from a sentence buried in paragraph 3 and challenge you on it, ignoring the discussion at hand. Or they build strawmen, red herrings, ad homonyms, and all those other debate tactics that most of us aren’t trying to deal with.
That and the general disrespect dished out regularly. “you’re not qualified to have this discussion” is a line often thrown out.
This is a sub-forum on a bodybuilding website. Sometimes people forget that. It’s not that people aren’t smart enough to have discussions here, it’s that some of the people who ARE more highly educated are fucking assholes to everyone who ISN’T a graduate student. Not everyone want’s to deal with being disrespected like that.[/quote]
Pointing out someone isn’t “qualified” to have a discussion, which I point out to Pitt every time he starts lying about taxation, isn’t disrespect, it is the truth. I’m not qualified to tell people how to tune a car, therefore I don’t pipe up in car threads. I mean, this is common sense here.
You have to deal with logically fallacy in all aspects of life, PWI is no different.
And it gets hard not to be an asshole when you have to point out the same shit over and over to the same people telling the same lies man. You know this, lol.
[/quote]
Calling out Pitt is one thing because of all the stupid shit he posts, but I’m talking about other posters expressing OPINIONS about certain topics. There are several “graduate students” here who like to flex their debate muscles by just acting like assholes all the time. They lose the forest for the trees most of the time, honing in on a detail and beating it to submission. Often times at the expense of the point the poster they are attacking is trying to make.
Personally, I come here to learn, express my Libertarian views and enjoy the discussion. I like to think that my 40 years on this planet have given me some perspective to offer an opinion or two that could be taken seriously every once in a while. I have also had several topics where my opinion has been swayed by those more educated on a subject than me. I think this is a VERY informed group. But I also think that the hostility and arrogance is a big turn off.
And I’m not buying your car analogy, Beansie - you can do better than that! Of course a car has a physical problem that a qualified technician can fix. But what’s the definition of “qualified” when it comes to religion and politics? Do I have to have PhD in religious studies to believe that the earth is more than 5000 years old? Do I need a poly sci degree with an international studies minor to understand that the US government is moving in a dangerous direction? Most of that is OPINION based on a person’s experience and thought process/logic. And there are MANY VALID opinions. They shouldn’t be dismissed summarily because one poster doesn’t agree with them based on “you’re not qualified to have this discussion”. That’s just lazy, rude and downright disrespectful. They certainly wouldn’t say it to the person’s face…
[/quote]
It amuses me the people that think their posts are so superior to mine , @ Angry Chicken , really my only criticism is that you care too much what others ACT like they feel about you . When you do so they can manipulate you , Peace
[/quote]
I don’t think your posts are “BAD”, more that it’s pretty obvious that you are stoned most of the time when you write them. LOL I wouldn’t want you to STOP posting… You DO have your lucid moments! But this is a conservative dominated board, so of course people think your posts are inferior
As for your criticism, it’s probably warranted. I guess I am a little old school with how I want to be addressed. If I feel like someone is communicating with me in a way that they wouldn’t say to my face, it pisses me off. I don’t go out of my way to disrespect anyone personally, and I expect the same.
[/quote]
It is funny I smoke pot once or twice a month and stay stoned the whole fucking month:)
I totally agree there are so many people here that do not have the balls to talk to any one the way they do . I am old school as well and love nothing better than a good fight 
Peace
/thread~
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
There are several “graduate students” here who like to flex their debate muscles by just acting like assholes all the time. They lose the forest for the trees most of the time, honing in on a detail and beating it to submission. Often times at the expense of the point the poster they are attacking is trying to make.[/quote]
Fair point, and I’m sure I’ve done it too.
I would venture to guess though that this will lead to more productive conversation, at least in the future because people will refine their posts to avoid it, than if all the reply’s were “fuck you rethuglicans, you’re all a bunch of maroons.”
Although I get a kick out of the “liberal tears” or “liberalism is a disease” ad hom’s (mainly because I was such a stereotypical “stupid liberal who feels rather than thinks” for so long), I know it doesn’t really add to any sort of intellectual advancement.
I think you’re going to get that on any politic forum where the people posting are passionate and informed. Even if the bulk of their information is confirmation bias, living in their bubble, anyone investing time into their political thoughts is going to get a big ruffled talking about them.
[quote] But what’s the definition of “qualified” when it comes to religion and politics? Do I have to have PhD in religious studies to believe that the earth is more than 5000 years old? Do I need a poly sci degree with an international studies minor to understand that the US government is moving in a dangerous direction? Most of that is OPINION based on a person’s experience and thought process/logic. And there are MANY VALID opinions. They shouldn’t be dismissed summarily because one poster doesn’t agree with them based on “you’re not qualified to have this discussion”. That’s just lazy, rude and downright disrespectful.
[/quote]
Also fair point. I would say the qualification stuff should really be case by case specific.
Anyone can have an opinion on taxation, but when factual information is presented, over and over and over, and that person ignores it, then I feel it’s fair to call them disqualified.
Anyone can have an opinion on the Bible, but if the misrepresent what is said in it, etc etc etc.
I mean, you’re point is taken.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
There are several “graduate students” here who like to flex their debate muscles by just acting like assholes all the time. They lose the forest for the trees most of the time, honing in on a detail and beating it to submission. Often times at the expense of the point the poster they are attacking is trying to make.[/quote]
Fair point, and I’m sure I’ve done it too.
I would venture to guess though that this will lead to more productive conversation, at least in the future because people will refine their posts to avoid it, than if all the reply’s were “fuck you rethuglicans, you’re all a bunch of maroons.”
Although I get a kick out of the “liberal tears” or “liberalism is a disease” ad hom’s (mainly because I was such a stereotypical “stupid liberal who feels rather than thinks” for so long), I know it doesn’t really add to any sort of intellectual advancement.
I think you’re going to get that on any politic forum where the people posting are passionate and informed. Even if the bulk of their information is confirmation bias, living in their bubble, anyone investing time into their political thoughts is going to get a big ruffled talking about them.
[quote] But what’s the definition of “qualified” when it comes to religion and politics? Do I have to have PhD in religious studies to believe that the earth is more than 5000 years old? Do I need a poly sci degree with an international studies minor to understand that the US government is moving in a dangerous direction? Most of that is OPINION based on a person’s experience and thought process/logic. And there are MANY VALID opinions. They shouldn’t be dismissed summarily because one poster doesn’t agree with them based on “you’re not qualified to have this discussion”. That’s just lazy, rude and downright disrespectful.
[/quote]
Also fair point. I would say the qualification stuff should really be case by case specific.
Anyone can have an opinion on taxation, but when factual information is presented, over and over and over, and that person ignores it, then I feel it’s fair to call them disqualified.
Anyone can have an opinion on the Bible, but if the misrepresent what is said in it, etc etc etc.
I mean, you’re point is taken. [/quote]
I totally feel you when you are giving a professional opinion on tax law and someone is just in denial. That shit is just painful to read! LOL
AC, I am going to start a thread on electrical problems just saw you can throw out the “You are unqualified to speak on this, should I write this in crayon” phrasing whenever you want. Should be a good vent.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
AC, I am going to start a thread on electrical problems just saw you can throw out the “You are unqualified to speak on this, should I write this in crayon” phrasing whenever you want. Should be a good vent. [/quote]
My first post:
You don’t need to listen to a professional who does this for a living, the directions are on the box, and huffingpost said my light sockets are 74% of Mitt’s light sockets.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
AC, I am going to start a thread on electrical problems just saw you can throw out the “You are unqualified to speak on this, should I write this in crayon” phrasing whenever you want. Should be a good vent. [/quote]
That would be AWESOME! LMAO
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
AC, I am going to start a thread on electrical problems just saw you can throw out the “You are unqualified to speak on this, should I write this in crayon” phrasing whenever you want. Should be a good vent. [/quote]
My first post:
You don’t need to listen to a professional who does this for a living, the directions are on the box, and huffingpost said my light sockets are 74% of Mitt’s light sockets. [/quote]
LMAO
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
AC, I am going to start a thread on electrical problems just saw you can throw out the “You are unqualified to speak on this, should I write this in crayon” phrasing whenever you want. Should be a good vent. [/quote]
That would be AWESOME! LMAO[/quote]
Ha ha ha!
I actually did that (photo) with a bobby pin once, as a kid!
Blew out the power of course.
Why is that, AC?
And, was I in any danger?
;-)[/quote]
You either created a short circuit between hot and neutral or a ground fault between hot and ground. Either way, you took the load (resistance) out of the equation and allowed more amps to flow through the circuit than the overcurrent protection was rated for, so it “blew”.
As for the “danger”, it’s all dependent upon the path. The average human body is between 800 and 1000 ohms of resistance, so generally, at 120/240v, there has to be a pretty clear path to ground (sweaty hands, standing in water, etc…) and even then the path it takes through your body is kinda random. The correct answer is “yes”, you were in danger because it only takes 10mA to stop your heart IF IT FLOWS THROUGH YOUR HEART. If it doesn’t, and we’ve all been shocked before and have been fine, then you only experience a shock and possibly a small burn. But IF it had managed to find a path across your chest, you COULD have been in trouble…
The primary danger that I deal with is Arc Flash. I very rarely work on “energized” equipment where I am in danger of being shocked. But I regularly open and close very large switching devices (upwards of 3000A @ 480V). If one of those mechanically assisted make/break mechanisms fail, and it crosses phase to phase or phase to ground, the explosion is pretty fucking intense…
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
AC, I am going to start a thread on electrical problems just saw you can throw out the “You are unqualified to speak on this, should I write this in crayon” phrasing whenever you want. Should be a good vent. [/quote]
That would be AWESOME! LMAO[/quote]
Ha ha ha!
I actually did that (photo) with a bobby pin once, as a kid!
Blew out the power of course.
Why is that, AC?
And, was I in any danger?
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You either created a short circuit between hot and neutral or a ground fault between hot and ground. Either way, you took the load (resistance) out of the equation and allowed more amps to flow through the circuit than the overcurrent protection was rated for, so it “blew”.
As for the “danger”, it’s all dependent upon the path. The average human body is between 800 and 1000 ohms of resistance, so generally, at 120/240v, there has to be a pretty clear path to ground (sweaty hands, standing in water, etc…) and even then the path it takes through your body is kinda random. The correct answer is “yes”, you were in danger because it only takes 10mA to stop your heart IF IT FLOWS THROUGH YOUR HEART. If it doesn’t, and we’ve all been shocked before and have been fine, then you only experience a shock and possibly a small burn. But IF it had managed to find a path across your chest, you COULD have been in trouble…
The primary danger that I deal with is Arc Flash. I very rarely work on “energized” equipment where I am in danger of being shocked. But I regularly open and close very large switching devices (upwards of 3000A @ 480V). If one of those mechanically assisted make/break mechanisms fail, and it crosses phase to phase or phase to ground, the explosion is pretty fucking intense…[/quote]
This is why I work on low voltage DC.