How Does Heaven Work

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Edgy wrote:

this group is smarter than I have given them credit for.
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I find most of the people who look down on this subforum do so due to one or more of the following reasons:

  1. They can’t comprehend someone might have a different opinion than they do.
  2. They can’t comprehend someone might have a reason for the differing opinion
  3. They can’t actually discuss things logically
  4. They are emotionally invested in their bias for whatever reason, therefor cognitive dissonance is very difficult for them, making ridicule of those that think differently more attractive (read: emotionally less expensive) than actually engaging in discourse and opening one’s self up to the opinions of those who disagree.
  5. They are ignorant on the subject matter, and smart enough to know it so they keep their opinions on what they don’t understand to themselves.

I suppose I could come up with more, but basically people shit on PWI to feel better about themselves, more often than not. (Sometimes the criticism is valid.)

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For example, #5 is why I don’t get too involved in foreign policy threads.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:

this group is smarter than I have given them credit for.
[/quote]

I find most of the people who look down on this subforum do so due to one or more of the following reasons:

  1. They can’t comprehend someone might have a different opinion than they do.
  2. They can’t comprehend someone might have a reason for the differing opinion
  3. They can’t actually discuss things logically
  4. They are emotionally invested in their bias for whatever reason, therefor cognitive dissonance is very difficult for them, making ridicule of those that think differently more attractive (read: emotionally less expensive) than actually engaging in discourse and opening one’s self up to the opinions of those who disagree.
  5. They are ignorant on the subject matter, and smart enough to know it so they keep their opinions on what they don’t understand to themselves.

I suppose I could come up with more, but basically people shit on PWI to feel better about themselves, more often than not. (Sometimes the criticism is valid.)[/quote]

There’s a lot of valid criticism of people IN the forum, but I never really hear of any valid criticism of the forum itself. It’s politics and world issues. Shit is going to get heated and some bizarre things are going to be said. People who shit on the forum for that are people who are simply too ill-informed to participate in a political discussion in which they may be forced to come to terms with the fact that their pre-conceived, normative view of the world is inaccurate. They see what goes on in here and it looks like a shitshow to them because it’s a foreign concept to them.

This is exacerbated when they happen to come across some bastardized thread that devolves into SexMachine and pittbull arguing back and forth about absolutely NOTHING, while smh valiantly and vainly tries to bring some level of intellect into a discussion that long ago abandoned any notion of it.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
For example, #5 is why I don’t get too involved in foreign policy threads. [/quote]

No offense, but is that because you feel that YOU are too ignorant on the subject or because everyone else is?

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

There’s a lot of valid criticism of people IN the forum, but I never really hear of any valid criticism of the forum itself. It’s politics and world issues. Shit is going to get heated and some bizarre things are going to be said. People who shit on the forum for that are people who are simply too ill-informed to participate in a political discussion in which they may be forced to come to terms with the fact that their pre-conceived, normative view of the world is inaccurate. They see what goes on in here and it looks like a shitshow to them because it’s a foreign concept to them.

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Thanks.

Was pretty much spot on what I was trying to say in my post.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
For example, #5 is why I don’t get too involved in foreign policy threads. [/quote]

No offense, but is that because you feel that YOU are too ignorant on the subject or because everyone else is?[/quote]

Me. I don’t read enough about it, know enough about it, nor really have the passion to invest the time to learn what I would need to in order to have any really substantive content to add beyond the small amount I do.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
For example, #5 is why I don’t get too involved in foreign policy threads. [/quote]

No offense, but is that because you feel that YOU are too ignorant on the subject or because everyone else is?[/quote]

Me. I don’t read enough about it, know enough about it, nor really have the passion to invest the time to learn what I would need to in order to have any really substantive content to add beyond the small amount I do. [/quote]

This is exactly why I lurk for most threads haha. I read posts on some of these issues and wonder, “How in the heck do people have the time to learn all of this stuff??”

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
For example, #5 is why I don’t get too involved in foreign policy threads. [/quote]

No offense, but is that because you feel that YOU are too ignorant on the subject or because everyone else is?[/quote]

Me. I don’t read enough about it, know enough about it, nor really have the passion to invest the time to learn what I would need to in order to have any really substantive content to add beyond the small amount I do. [/quote]

I am kind of the opposite for some reason. I typically don’t get involved with the religion threads because I cant do so without getting to emotionally involved. The foreign policy threads I will comment on but usually fairly generically and most of the time with the hope that several people will pick up and help flesh out my direction so that I can then take those idea’s and start to filter through them with my google-fu.

Can I had a #6? They open up a thread on minimum wage started by Pitt or the guy with the ass avatars or one of the vortex video threads as their first exposure to PWI, go WTF and never come back.

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This got very little action when I first posted it, and I hadn’t check it… I have a lot of reading to do…

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

I find it weird when people don’t believe in the divinity of Jesus call him a great person. [/quote]

This is an excellent point.[/quote]

Lord, liar, or lunatic

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[quote]Zen Taco wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
For example, #5 is why I don’t get too involved in foreign policy threads. [/quote]

No offense, but is that because you feel that YOU are too ignorant on the subject or because everyone else is?[/quote]

Me. I don’t read enough about it, know enough about it, nor really have the passion to invest the time to learn what I would need to in order to have any really substantive content to add beyond the small amount I do. [/quote]

This is exactly why I lurk for most threads haha. I read posts on some of these issues and wonder, “How in the heck do people have the time to learn all of this stuff??”
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Agreed…

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[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:

[quote]Zen Taco wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
For example, #5 is why I don’t get too involved in foreign policy threads. [/quote]

No offense, but is that because you feel that YOU are too ignorant on the subject or because everyone else is?[/quote]

Me. I don’t read enough about it, know enough about it, nor really have the passion to invest the time to learn what I would need to in order to have any really substantive content to add beyond the small amount I do. [/quote]

This is exactly why I lurk for most threads haha. I read posts on some of these issues and wonder, “How in the heck do people have the time to learn all of this stuff??”
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Agreed…
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… And I was totally buzzed when I posted the OP…

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

I find it weird when people don’t believe in the divinity of Jesus call him a great person. [/quote]

This is an excellent point.[/quote]

Lord, liar, or lunatic[/quote]

Okay… lets say that you do something really awsome for your community. But some people don’t like the way you did it and have you offed because of that and then you become a martyr. People start talking about it.

But written records aren’t maintained so it’s pretty much a game of telephone. Nothing’s written down until this telephone game has been played for a few to several decades. By this time your story has been changed a great deal and you’re practically a legend.

Does that make you a nut case or a liar? Or just a guy who did something good who’s story was greatly exxagerated?

Oh! And to top that off, some of these guys writing this stuff down are fishermen. We all know how that goes :slight_smile:

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Okay… lets say that you do something really awsome for your community. But some people don’t like the way you did it and have you offed because of that and then you become a martyr. People start talking about it.

But written records aren’t maintained so it’s pretty much a game of telephone. Nothing’s written down until this telephone game has been played for a few to several decades. By this time your story has been changed a great deal and you’re practically a legend.

Does that make you a nut case or a liar? Or just a guy who did something good who’s story was greatly exxagerated?

Oh! And to top that off, some of these guys writing this stuff down are fishermen. We all know how that goes :)[/quote]

I guess there is a fourth possibility: One has faith that Jesus was a great moral teacher, despite the accounts regarding his existence, actions, and words being fabricated.

What awesome deed did Jesus do for his(any) community if one does not believe in his divinity?

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
This is a big tangent, but it’s PWI…

I find it weird when people don’t believe in the divinity of Jesus call him a great person. If he was not at least something like divine he was either the biggest lying narcissistic arrogant con man of all time, or he was a complete psychotic lunatic. Have you ever really read the Gospels? Between his saying like “I am the way” and “to know me is to know God” not to mention where he does things like claim to allow the very air to the person asking him a question. And that doesn’t even speak to the amazing religious and cultural balls he had when he did things like forgive sins in fights he wasn’t involved in or claiming to be lord over the Sabath. I mean think about that. Say your business partner screwed you, then this religious wanderer guy shows up and tells everyone that your partner is forgiven for wronging you, without ever even talking to YOU, the guy he wronged. Would you not call that vast arrogance?

I’m honestly curious, do you overlook that side of him, or maybe think those are false quotes? Or maybe you ignore what he is quoted as saying and focus on his meeker actions?

To me, that’s one of the most powerful things about the Jesus narrative. He was incredibly ballsy, arrogant, commanding, demanding, authoritative, and even narcissistic. BUT somehow he always leaves people with the impression of meekness, humility, and service. Somehow, he’s both in the narrative. But his meekness and service is so powerful, people seem to not even recognize the other side.[/quote]

I haven’t read any further than this quote, but that shocked me when I went and reread the gospels a couple years ago.

If you read things without preconceived notions, Jesus was kind of an asshole. I really didn’t expect that.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:
If you read things without preconceived notions, Jesus was kind of an asshole. I really didn’t expect that.[/quote]

IIRC, He outright states that he is an asshole, and that’s about the only way he can get all those Jews to follow the right path again.

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[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
If you read things without preconceived notions, Jesus was kind of an asshole. I really didn’t expect that.[/quote]

IIRC, He outright states that he is an asshole, and that’s about the only way he can get all those Jews to follow the right path again.[/quote]

Any time someone gets in your face and tells you THEIR religion is the ONLY “true” path to <<<salvation/heaven/forgiveness/etc…>>> and if you don’t convert NOOOOOOOWWWW, you’ll go to HELL, they fall into the asshole category in my book.

Seriously, why do they care what happens to ME when I die? It’s none of their fucking business…

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:

this group is smarter than I have given them credit for.
[/quote]

I find most of the people who look down on this subforum do so due to one or more of the following reasons:

  1. They can’t comprehend someone might have a different opinion than they do.
  2. They can’t comprehend someone might have a reason for the differing opinion
  3. They can’t actually discuss things logically
  4. They are emotionally invested in their bias for whatever reason, therefor cognitive dissonance is very difficult for them, making ridicule of those that think differently more attractive (read: emotionally less expensive) than actually engaging in discourse and opening one’s self up to the opinions of those who disagree.
  5. They are ignorant on the subject matter, and smart enough to know it so they keep their opinions on what they don’t understand to themselves.

I suppose I could come up with more, but basically people shit on PWI to feel better about themselves, more often than not. (Sometimes the criticism is valid.)[/quote]

this~

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:

this group is smarter than I have given them credit for.
[/quote]

I find most of the people who look down on this subforum do so due to one or more of the following reasons:

  1. They can’t comprehend someone might have a different opinion than they do.
  2. They can’t comprehend someone might have a reason for the differing opinion
  3. They can’t actually discuss things logically
  4. They are emotionally invested in their bias for whatever reason, therefor cognitive dissonance is very difficult for them, making ridicule of those that think differently more attractive (read: emotionally less expensive) than actually engaging in discourse and opening one’s self up to the opinions of those who disagree.
  5. They are ignorant on the subject matter, and smart enough to know it so they keep their opinions on what they don’t understand to themselves.

I suppose I could come up with more, but basically people shit on PWI to feel better about themselves, more often than not. (Sometimes the criticism is valid.)[/quote]

My biggest problem with this forum is that people don’t WANT to discuss the issues. Instead they take a single word from a sentence buried in paragraph 3 and challenge you on it, ignoring the discussion at hand. Or they build strawmen, red herrings, ad homonyms, and all those other debate tactics that most of us aren’t trying to deal with.

That and the general disrespect dished out regularly. “you’re not qualified to have this discussion” is a line often thrown out.

This is a sub-forum on a bodybuilding website. Sometimes people forget that. It’s not that people aren’t smart enough to have discussions here, it’s that some of the people who ARE more highly educated are fucking assholes to everyone who ISN’T a graduate student. Not everyone want’s to deal with being disrespected like that.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:

this group is smarter than I have given them credit for.
[/quote]

I find most of the people who look down on this subforum do so due to one or more of the following reasons:

  1. They can’t comprehend someone might have a different opinion than they do.
  2. They can’t comprehend someone might have a reason for the differing opinion
  3. They can’t actually discuss things logically
  4. They are emotionally invested in their bias for whatever reason, therefor cognitive dissonance is very difficult for them, making ridicule of those that think differently more attractive (read: emotionally less expensive) than actually engaging in discourse and opening one’s self up to the opinions of those who disagree.
  5. They are ignorant on the subject matter, and smart enough to know it so they keep their opinions on what they don’t understand to themselves.

I suppose I could come up with more, but basically people shit on PWI to feel better about themselves, more often than not. (Sometimes the criticism is valid.)[/quote]

My biggest problem with this forum is that people don’t WANT to discuss the issues. Instead they take a single word from a sentence buried in paragraph 3 and challenge you on it, ignoring the discussion at hand. Or they build strawmen, red herrings, ad homonyms, and all those other debate tactics that most of us aren’t trying to deal with.

That and the general disrespect dished out regularly. “you’re not qualified to have this discussion” is a line often thrown out.

This is a sub-forum on a bodybuilding website. Sometimes people forget that. It’s not that people aren’t smart enough to have discussions here, it’s that some of the people who ARE more highly educated are fucking assholes to everyone who ISN’T a graduate student. Not everyone want’s to deal with being disrespected like that.[/quote]

Pointing out someone isn’t “qualified” to have a discussion, which I point out to Pitt every time he starts lying about taxation, isn’t disrespect, it is the truth. I’m not qualified to tell people how to tune a car, therefore I don’t pipe up in car threads. I mean, this is common sense here.

You have to deal with logically fallacy in all aspects of life, PWI is no different.

And it gets hard not to be an asshole when you have to point out the same shit over and over to the same people telling the same lies man. You know this, lol.