Shes got mayo on her snatch.
I just took a look at your pics X. Youre the biggest freaking dentist ever.
With respect to your incline press, I dont think it compares to a free weight…Have you tried anywhere near that weight with a bar?
We used to have a converging arc at my gym and I could easily press a couple of plates without a warm up, but at the time I couldnt do 2 plates on a bar unless I was warmed up and having a good day…no way.
Its apples and oranges as far as Im concerned.
Oh, nice bike…is that a CBR 1000? I’m looking for either that or the 600. I’m only 185lbs, so 600 might be ok.
[quote]Andrew Dixon wrote:
I just took a look at your pics X. Youre the biggest freaking dentist ever.
With respect to your incline press, I dont think it compares to a free weight…Have you tried anywhere near that weight with a bar?
We used to have a converging arc at my gym and I could easily press a couple of plates without a warm up, but at the time I couldnt do 2 plates on a bar unless I was warmed up and having a good day…no way.
Its apples and oranges as far as Im concerned.
Oh, nice bike…is that a CBR 1000? I’m looking for either that or the 600. I’m only 185lbs, so 600 might be ok.
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Who is trying to compare Hammer Strength DIRECTLY to free weights? No offense (and I know what you may be getting at but hear this from others at times on this board), but if that were the case, I WOULD SIMPLY DO FUCKING FREE WEIGHTS.
Regardless of how much it differs from the free weight movement, no one moving 4-5 45lbs plates for several reps is going to look under-developed.
Back when I was using mostly dumbbells (years ago), I got up to 3 plates and a 25 on each side. That also needed a spotter and that was when I was very interested in simply increasing overall strength.
This is one reason I avoid discussing any weight that I use most of the time. People who haven’t been lifting as long try to compare what someone more advanced is doing at the moment to what they are doing.
I think it is hard for some people to understand the simple concept of PROGRESSION and that regardless of what I am doing now, chances are, it took several years of doing other things to get here.
As far as the bike, yes that is a 2006 CBR 1000. I plan on keeping that one for a while.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I just looked it up:
http://us.commercial.lifefitness.com/content.cfm/iso-lateralbenchpress
And starting resistance on those machines (the plate loaded machines, specifically the bench press) is only SEVEN POUNDS. That means it is pretty damn close to real weight so I am not sure why someone would devalue them or compare them to leg press machines.
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Cool, I didn’t realize you could look those things up. Thanks for the link.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Jillybop wrote:
Every time I see this thread title it makes me chuckle.
Hmmm, how do you train Prof X? I’m guessing it would involve a hot chick and a burger. Probably depends on what you want to train him to do…
There’s only one patty of beef on that hamburger. Any training will only be half learned for that.[/quote]
Maybe this is more to your liking.
But we can always break out the big guns if we have to.
Or do you prefer pizza?
Or is turkey your weakness?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Regardless of how much it differs from the free weight movement, no one moving 4-5 45lbs plates for several reps is going to look under-developed.
Back when I was using mostly dumbbells (years ago), I got up to 3 plates and a 25 on each side. That also needed a spotter and that was when I was very interested in simply increasing overall strength.
This is one reason I avoid discussing any weight that I use most of the time. People who haven’t been lifting as long try to compare what someone more advanced is doing at the moment to what they are doing.
I think it is hard for some people to understand the simple concept of PROGRESSION and that regardless of what I am doing now, chances are, it took several years of doing other things to get here.
As far as the bike, yes that is a 2006 CBR 1000. I plan on keeping that one for a while.[/quote]
I know whatyour saying, I’m just not impressed with how much someone can move on a machine. Its a personal thing. Im far more impressed with 3.5 plates each side on a bar than 5 plates on a fixed machine. A quote from Kit Laughlan at the risk of causing you to blow a valve, “if you cant stabilize your strength, you dont own it”.
I’m of the same opinion when using belts, straps, shirts, etc. I dont really care how much someone can press with equipment to assist them, not impressive.
But thats ok, your goals are different from my goals. You might like football, I like snowboarding…whatever.
[quote]Andrew Dixon wrote:
I just took a look at your pics X. Youre the biggest freaking dentist ever.
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Prof X, your profile is private again. I would like to see your pics at 255.
What does a man have to do to see your pics around here?
[quote]Andrew Dixon wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Regardless of how much it differs from the free weight movement, no one moving 4-5 45lbs plates for several reps is going to look under-developed.
Back when I was using mostly dumbbells (years ago), I got up to 3 plates and a 25 on each side. That also needed a spotter and that was when I was very interested in simply increasing overall strength.
This is one reason I avoid discussing any weight that I use most of the time. People who haven’t been lifting as long try to compare what someone more advanced is doing at the moment to what they are doing.
I think it is hard for some people to understand the simple concept of PROGRESSION and that regardless of what I am doing now, chances are, it took several years of doing other things to get here.
As far as the bike, yes that is a 2006 CBR 1000. I plan on keeping that one for a while.
I know whatyour saying, I’m just not impressed with how much someone can move on a machine. Its a personal thing. Im far more impressed with 3.5 plates each side on a bar than 5 plates on a fixed machine. A quote from Kit Laughlan at the risk of causing you to blow a valve, “if you cant stabilize your strength, you dont own it”.
I’m of the same opinion when using belts, straps, shirts, etc. I dont really care how much someone can press with equipment to assist them, not impressive.
But thats ok, your goals are different from my goals. You might like football, I like snowboarding…whatever.[/quote]
lolololol Don’t bother competing in anything that requires strength, stabilized or not, with anybody moving twice as many plates as you on any machine.
[quote]Andrew Dixon wrote:
I’m of the same opinion when using belts, straps, shirts, etc. I dont really care how much someone can press with equipment to assist them, not impressive.
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Wait, one question. What about belts is it you have a beef with? They aren’t like a suit or shit that assist with a lift. I see a belt as a means of safety and comfort for squats and deadlifts.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Andrew Dixon wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Regardless of how much it differs from the free weight movement, no one moving 4-5 45lbs plates for several reps is going to look under-developed.
Back when I was using mostly dumbbells (years ago), I got up to 3 plates and a 25 on each side. That also needed a spotter and that was when I was very interested in simply increasing overall strength.
This is one reason I avoid discussing any weight that I use most of the time. People who haven’t been lifting as long try to compare what someone more advanced is doing at the moment to what they are doing.
I think it is hard for some people to understand the simple concept of PROGRESSION and that regardless of what I am doing now, chances are, it took several years of doing other things to get here.
As far as the bike, yes that is a 2006 CBR 1000. I plan on keeping that one for a while.
I know whatyour saying, I’m just not impressed with how much someone can move on a machine. Its a personal thing. Im far more impressed with 3.5 plates each side on a bar than 5 plates on a fixed machine. A quote from Kit Laughlan at the risk of causing you to blow a valve, “if you cant stabilize your strength, you dont own it”.
I’m of the same opinion when using belts, straps, shirts, etc. I dont really care how much someone can press with equipment to assist them, not impressive.
But thats ok, your goals are different from my goals. You might like football, I like snowboarding…whatever.
lolololol Don’t bother competing in anything that requires strength, stabilized or not, with anybody moving twice as many plates as you on any machine.
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Im not saying Im stronger, Im not competing with anyone. Take another analogy - I’m impressed with the gymnast, but not the marathon runner so much. Both are tough.
If pushing a machine loaded up with plates is challenging and rewarding for you, then fine keep it up. Prof X could kick my arse in all strength tests, no question. Maybe I can ride his bike better though…
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Andrew Dixon wrote:
I just took a look at your pics X. Youre the biggest freaking dentist ever.
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Prof X, your profile is private again. I would like to see your pics at 255.
What does a man have to do to see your pics around here?[/quote]
You don’t want to know.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
lolololol Don’t bother competing in anything that requires strength, stabilized or not, with anybody moving twice as many plates as you on any machine.
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Machine work = non functional.
Take him out of the gym and he is weak as a kitten!
Seriously we all have our own goals but you have to be impressed when someone loads 10 plates on an upper body machine.
Yes because someone used equipment when they deadlifted 1003 lbs, that means its not impressive. It should be written off because you think they wouldnt be strong without the equipment.
Im sure this guy ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTzKX2g5WM0&mode=related&search= ) would love to discus it with you in person. Dont worry, I doubt he would be wearing a belt, so you shouldnt have anything to worry about.
I bet youre one of those “all powerlifters are fat” guys too, arent you?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Actually, depending on the angle, on some leg presses 1,000lbs would be more like 800lbs or less. “Leverage” doesn’t simply make them easier. Most of the weight being reduced due to the angle of the movement makes it easier. Pushing a car uphill is not like bench pressing a car.[/quote]
This is correct. Effective weight on a 45 degree incline would be 0.7071 times the combined weight of the sled and the plates - probably between 750 and 800 pounds, for 1000 pounds of plates.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I just looked it up:
http://us.commercial.lifefitness.com/content.cfm/iso-lateralbenchpress
And starting resistance on those machines (the plate loaded machines, specifically the bench press) is only SEVEN POUNDS. That means it is pretty damn close to real weight so I am not sure why someone would devalue them or compare them to leg press machines.[/quote]
This is not correct, because the handles are considerably further from the pivot point than the plates, giving a mechanical advantage. Furthermore, the plates are being lifted along an arc rather than vertically, although it’s probably close enough to vertical at lockout. Overall I’d guess that the effective weight is only about 2/3 of the plate load - it’s hard to judge the ratio of the lever arms from the photo.
Either way you’re lifting a hell of a lot more than me, so I’m not trying to criticize your lifts. Just wanted to set the physics straight.
[quote]fightingtiger wrote:
Andrew Dixon wrote:
I’m of the same opinion when using belts, straps, shirts, etc. I dont really care how much someone can press with equipment to assist them, not impressive.
Yes because someone used equipment when they deadlifted 1003 lbs, that means its not impressive. It should be written off because you think they wouldnt be strong without the equipment.
Im sure this guy ( World record deadlift 1003lb andy bolton - YouTube ) would love to discus it with you in person. Dont worry, I doubt he would be wearing a belt, so you shouldnt have anything to worry about.
I bet youre one of those “all powerlifters are fat” guys too, arent you?
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Yeah, that dudes strong for sure. Im still more interested in seeing what the best totally unassisted humans are capapble of doing.
I’d be happy to discuss it with him in person. Do you think he wants to fight me?
Why do you think I think all powerlifters are fat? What that got to do with what we’re talking about.
Its just if I see a dude working a machhine all stacked next to a dude working to a bar with half the weight I’m watching the bar…thats only because I only lift free weights.
I like to see what people can do unassisted, thats all.b
And this is why he doesn’t post his numbers, You do understand he has done 405lbs on the bench right(free weight). what hes doing now is not what he has always done and its not what he will always do.
I see nothing wrong with using hammer strength machines for bodybuilding or powerlifting at some point to work on a paticular muscle group that is lagging.