How Do You All Survived Adversity?

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
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Honestly kind of saddens me that you did not take the time to read it, I mean it would take a couple minutes really.

You never know you may actually learn something from people older and more experienced than you. But again, good luck at your job.[/quote]

He’s been working for eight months, what could we possibly have to offer?[/quote]

Good point, and he has no network, so it isn’t like he could pass any info on to anyone else either.

Looks like everyone’s work here is done. [/quote]
Sorry got busy this morning hiring someone, instead of going expensive through monster or something like that, I just interviewed about 10 people from networking. [/quote]

So 9 out of 10 of those people, didn’t get the job…I bet they’re glad that they had some networking done it must have really paid off!

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Ask every single person you’ve ever met if their place of work is hiring anyone or any place they have a contact in. In my experience you can apply to random jobs online till you’re blue in the face, but the only way you’re ever gonna actually get a job is through networking.[/quote]

It’s not what you know, it’s who you know. Networking is huge![/quote]

This is not always true.

I applied to 10 jobs off of websites like careerbuilder and monster. Got 2 interviews and 2 job offers and I knew no one associated with either company.

Everyone that we hire is a random person, no networking involved.

I heard this BS advice towards the end of college. I never went to a single job fair, I never had a single internship. I had absolutely no networking done, but somehow, I found a job.

My dad has worked at his company for 35 yrs, he asked around and they had no positions available for someone with 0 experience, and that didn’t change cause I “knew somebody”.

95% of the time, random people applying for random jobs. Get hired…randomly. No networking needed.[/quote]

Question.

Have you started one of these jobs you were hired at? [/quote]

Answer

Yes. Been at my job for 8mo
[/quote]
I am sure you have caught up on this thread by now.

Glad you are employed.

Carry on[/quote]

Nope, what did I miss???

Something tells me that you were hoping my answer to your question was going to be “no” and that the only Interviews I had were at BS headhunting agencies leavi me with no job, hmmm?

I highly doubt you asked such a simple question just to get me to read this entire thread

carry on, eh?[/quote]
Honestly kind of saddens me that you did not take the time to read it, I mean it would take a couple minutes really.

You never know you may actually learn something from people older and more experienced than you. But again, good luck at your job.[/quote]

What do you Call A retard with experience? …a retard. I’ve had enough garbage advice from people with “experience” to realize that experience doesn’t mean everything. A lot of idiots out there pull the experience card cause they don’t have anything else to point to for credentials

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Ask every single person you’ve ever met if their place of work is hiring anyone or any place they have a contact in. In my experience you can apply to random jobs online till you’re blue in the face, but the only way you’re ever gonna actually get a job is through networking.[/quote]

It’s not what you know, it’s who you know. Networking is huge![/quote]

This is not always true.

I applied to 10 jobs off of websites like careerbuilder and monster. Got 2 interviews and 2 job offers and I knew no one associated with either company.

Everyone that we hire is a random person, no networking involved.

I heard this BS advice towards the end of college. I never went to a single job fair, I never had a single internship. I had absolutely no networking done, but somehow, I found a job.

My dad has worked at his company for 35 yrs, he asked around and they had no positions available for someone with 0 experience, and that didn’t change cause I “knew somebody”.

95% of the time, random people applying for random jobs. Get hired…randomly. No networking needed.[/quote]

Question.

Have you started one of these jobs you were hired at? [/quote]

Answer

Yes. Been at my job for 8mo
[/quote]
I am sure you have caught up on this thread by now.

Glad you are employed.

Carry on[/quote]

Nope, what did I miss???

Something tells me that you were hoping my answer to your question was going to be “no” and that the only Interviews I had were at BS headhunting agencies leavi me with no job, hmmm?

I highly doubt you asked such a simple question just to get me to read this entire thread

carry on, eh?[/quote]
Honestly kind of saddens me that you did not take the time to read it, I mean it would take a couple minutes really.

You never know you may actually learn something from people older and more experienced than you. But again, good luck at your job.[/quote]

What do you Call A retard with experience? …a retard. I’ve had enough garbage advice from people with “experience” to realize that experience doesn’t mean everything. A lot of idiots out there pull the experience card cause they don’t have anything else to point to for credentials

[/quote]
But that’s what credentials are built upon primarily lol

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

What do you Call A retard with experience? …a retard. I’ve had enough garbage advice from people with “experience” to realize that experience doesn’t mean everything. A lot of idiots out there pull the experience card cause they don’t have anything else to point to for credentials

[/quote]

What do you call a genius without experience? Unemployed.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
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Honestly kind of saddens me that you did not take the time to read it, I mean it would take a couple minutes really.

You never know you may actually learn something from people older and more experienced than you. But again, good luck at your job.[/quote]

He’s been working for eight months, what could we possibly have to offer?[/quote]

Good point, and he has no network, so it isn’t like he could pass any info on to anyone else either.

Looks like everyone’s work here is done. [/quote]
Sorry got busy this morning hiring someone, instead of going expensive through monster or something like that, I just interviewed about 10 people from networking. [/quote]

So 9 out of 10 of those people, didn’t get the job…I bet they’re glad that they had some networking done it must have really paid off!

[/quote]
Actually it can, this year alone I have interviewed about 40 paramedics and medics. Some that I did not hire for one job I ended up hiring for another. One guy I was able to refer him to a job that was actually closer to him, by me calling the manager of that site.

So your theory is that the 1000 people who apply for a job through monster all get a job?

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Ask every single person you’ve ever met if their place of work is hiring anyone or any place they have a contact in. In my experience you can apply to random jobs online till you’re blue in the face, but the only way you’re ever gonna actually get a job is through networking.[/quote]

It’s not what you know, it’s who you know. Networking is huge![/quote]

This is not always true.

I applied to 10 jobs off of websites like careerbuilder and monster. Got 2 interviews and 2 job offers and I knew no one associated with either company.

Everyone that we hire is a random person, no networking involved.

I heard this BS advice towards the end of college. I never went to a single job fair, I never had a single internship. I had absolutely no networking done, but somehow, I found a job.

My dad has worked at his company for 35 yrs, he asked around and they had no positions available for someone with 0 experience, and that didn’t change cause I “knew somebody”.

95% of the time, random people applying for random jobs. Get hired…randomly. No networking needed.[/quote]

Question.

Have you started one of these jobs you were hired at? [/quote]

Answer

Yes. Been at my job for 8mo
[/quote]
I am sure you have caught up on this thread by now.

Glad you are employed.

Carry on[/quote]

Nope, what did I miss???

Something tells me that you were hoping my answer to your question was going to be “no” and that the only Interviews I had were at BS headhunting agencies leavi me with no job, hmmm?

I highly doubt you asked such a simple question just to get me to read this entire thread

carry on, eh?[/quote]
Honestly kind of saddens me that you did not take the time to read it, I mean it would take a couple minutes really.

You never know you may actually learn something from people older and more experienced than you. But again, good luck at your job.[/quote]

What do you Call A retard with experience? …a retard. I’ve had enough garbage advice from people with “experience” to realize that experience doesn’t mean everything. A lot of idiots out there pull the experience card cause they don’t have anything else to point to for credentials

[/quote]
So you have nobody in your field that is more experienced or advanced than you?

I have 20 years of medical experience and a masters degree. The same person just coming out of school has a masters degree also but 0 years of medical experience.

But we are equal?

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[quote]kjmont wrote:
Recently I have been thrown out of my house, been forcibly unemployed because my job went out of business, I have no money for food or gas, my diabetes is getting bad, i am having trouble getting hired anywhefe else and my gf who is barely able to fend for herself is supporting me.

I am not usually the type to ask for advice…but what do I do? How do you all survive such circumstances. I have been trying to keep my head down and move forward but it is proving to be increasingly more difficult. [/quote]

Keep trying. There is nothing else to do. Eventually something will give. Job searches have to be relentless.
Also, mend your fences. In the end, unless your parents are complete assholes who abuse you or have betrayed you in some horrific way, there is no reason for ill will. Pride is a lonely state. You will be much happier with mutual forgiveness. Can’t help you with diabetes, you may have to get on medicare or something to control it.

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[quote]StevenF wrote:
being kidnapped, raped, and held against your will for 10 years is adversity. figure it out guy. [/quote]

LOL! That’s true.

But I don’t discount adversity just because it’s not the worse shit on the planet that happened to you. I sense OP’s biggest enemy is maturity and pride at this point.

Life is HARD. You learn one way or the other. He is learning right now.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

So you have nobody in your field that is more experienced or advanced than you?

I have 20 years of medical experience and a masters degree. The same person just coming out of school has a masters degree also but 0 years of medical experience.

But we are equal? [/quote]

I give you a lot of credit DJ for taking the high road after that response, and hats off to you for it.

That said, I’m pretty sure you are wasting your time here, unless other people who’s minds allow them to learn things are going to get some sort of benefit from this exchange, I would just let it go.

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after all this, I’ll bet you still havent tried foam rollling.

some peoples kids, i swear~

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You will probably think this advice is trite.

But it is true and was taught to me by my granmother who survived Nazi “work” camps – and survived the initial struggle of the foundation of Israel. It is to remember this, and say it alound, every day:

"This is the day that the L-ord has made.

Rejoice! And be glad in it."

It’s from the Bible, of course. It’s the underlying basis of the “Hava Nagila” song.

She rejoiced every day and thanked G-d for every day she was in the camps, for basically walking across Europe to Israel, for living for years without plumbing, for the Intifada that ultimately drove us from our new home, to everything else.

This simple advice is how I learned to be happy when I lost my first wife and how I learned to pray for the soul of the bomber who took her life.

Whatever is going on, is happening for a reason, and that reason is good, whether you know it now or not.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

So you have nobody in your field that is more experienced or advanced than you?

I have 20 years of medical experience and a masters degree. The same person just coming out of school has a masters degree also but 0 years of medical experience.

But we are equal? [/quote]

I give you a lot of credit DJ for taking the high road after that response, and hats off to you for it.

That said, I’m pretty sure you are wasting your time here, unless other people who’s minds allow them to learn things are going to get some sort of benefit from this exchange, I would just let it go. [/quote]

Anyone who thinks a good word from a well respected employee doesn’t help in landing a job and your career in general is an idiot. I’m sorry, but seriously.

No one here is saying networking is the be-all-end-all of landing a good job, but to think it doesn’t help is quite foolish.

cardidious (or whatever your name is) - try speaking with successful people…I mean really successful, and ask them how much their connections have been a great benefit to them over the years. Sometimes it’s not even about landing a job, sometimes it’s about getting in front of the right person to sell whatever you’ve got to offer, sometimes it’s getting in touch with the right person to get the right advice, etc.

And this networking is not something that pays dividends within a couple months. Over the course of months, it may be worthless. Over the course of years, it’s priceless.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

So you have nobody in your field that is more experienced or advanced than you?

I have 20 years of medical experience and a masters degree. The same person just coming out of school has a masters degree also but 0 years of medical experience.

But we are equal? [/quote]

I give you a lot of credit DJ for taking the high road after that response, and hats off to you for it.

That said, I’m pretty sure you are wasting your time here, unless other people who’s minds allow them to learn things are going to get some sort of benefit from this exchange, I would just let it go. [/quote]

I find it just an interaction, no biggie.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
You will probably think this advice is trite.

But it is true and was taught to me by my granmother who survived Nazi “work” camps – and survived the initial struggle of the foundation of Israel. It is to remember this, and say it alound, every day:

"This is the day that the L-ord has made.

Rejoice! And be glad in it."

It’s from the Bible, of course. It’s the underlying basis of the “Hava Nagila” song.

She rejoiced every day and thanked G-d for every day she was in the camps, for basically walking across Europe to Israel, for living for years without plumbing, for the Intifada that ultimately drove us from our new home, to everything else.

This simple advice is how I learned to be happy when I lost my first wife and how I learned to pray for the soul of the bomber who took her life.

Whatever is going on, is happening for a reason, and that reason is good, whether you know it now or not.[/quote]

Dude…do you want to have sex?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
You will probably think this advice is trite.

But it is true and was taught to me by my granmother who survived Nazi “work” camps – and survived the initial struggle of the foundation of Israel. It is to remember this, and say it alound, every day:

"This is the day that the L-ord has made.

Rejoice! And be glad in it."

It’s from the Bible, of course. It’s the underlying basis of the “Hava Nagila” song.

She rejoiced every day and thanked G-d for every day she was in the camps, for basically walking across Europe to Israel, for living for years without plumbing, for the Intifada that ultimately drove us from our new home, to everything else.

This simple advice is how I learned to be happy when I lost my first wife and how I learned to pray for the soul of the bomber who took her life.

Whatever is going on, is happening for a reason, and that reason is good, whether you know it now or not.[/quote]

Dude…do you want to have sex?[/quote]

HA! . . . . . well, you are cute.

Seriously, you’ve been in a war, helped guys go to war. You’ve seen the guys that come out mentally OK on the other side and those that don’t. I know you know what the real secret to “getting through adversity” is.

I suppose it is possible to power the way through it on one’s own (and you have to do what you can do on your own), but without knowledge of G-d, life is a lot fucking harder.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
You will probably think this advice is trite.

But it is true and was taught to me by my granmother who survived Nazi “work” camps – and survived the initial struggle of the foundation of Israel. It is to remember this, and say it alound, every day:

"This is the day that the L-ord has made.

Rejoice! And be glad in it."

It’s from the Bible, of course. It’s the underlying basis of the “Hava Nagila” song.

She rejoiced every day and thanked G-d for every day she was in the camps, for basically walking across Europe to Israel, for living for years without plumbing, for the Intifada that ultimately drove us from our new home, to everything else.

This simple advice is how I learned to be happy when I lost my first wife and how I learned to pray for the soul of the bomber who took her life.

Whatever is going on, is happening for a reason, and that reason is good, whether you know it now or not.[/quote]

Dude…do you want to have sex?[/quote]

lol…he does have a certain charm about him no doubt about that, I was thinking of having him adopt me :slight_smile:

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

What do you Call A retard with experience? …a retard. I’ve had enough garbage advice from people with “experience” to realize that experience doesn’t mean everything. A lot of idiots out there pull the experience card cause they don’t have anything else to point to for credentials

[/quote]

What do you call a genius without experience? Unemployed.
[/quote]

Yea until I applied…then I was employed… with no prior experience :wink:

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
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Honestly kind of saddens me that you did not take the time to read it, I mean it would take a couple minutes really.

You never know you may actually learn something from people older and more experienced than you. But again, good luck at your job.[/quote]

He’s been working for eight months, what could we possibly have to offer?[/quote]

Good point, and he has no network, so it isn’t like he could pass any info on to anyone else either.

Looks like everyone’s work here is done. [/quote]
Sorry got busy this morning hiring someone, instead of going expensive through monster or something like that, I just interviewed about 10 people from networking. [/quote]

So 9 out of 10 of those people, didn’t get the job…I bet they’re glad that they had some networking done it must have really paid off!

[/quote]
Actually it can, this year alone I have interviewed about 40 paramedics and medics. Some that I did not hire for one job I ended up hiring for another. One guy I was able to refer him to a job that was actually closer to him, by me calling the manager of that site.

So your theory is that the 1000 people who apply for a job through monster all get a job? [/quote]

So that leaves about 35 people without a job…why would you interview 40? Lol sounds like a waste of time…eh, maybe you’re not that busy…

Yes, as I have said several* times* out of 1000 people who apply through monster and monster alone, all 1000 will have a job in no less than 3 days, sometimes the number comes out to 1000+ people getting hired cause they like the applicant so much they tell them that they will hire a friend or family member, cause that’s how networking works.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

So that leaves about 35 people without a job…why would you interview 40? Lol sounds like a waste of time…eh, maybe you’re not that busy…

[/quote]

You want to know how I know you’ve never been in any sort of management or leadership position in your entire life?

ANyway, yes, for the sake of everyone else, please continue to shun having a decent network. Save them the aggravation…

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Ask every single person you’ve ever met if their place of work is hiring anyone or any place they have a contact in. In my experience you can apply to random jobs online till you’re blue in the face, but the only way you’re ever gonna actually get a job is through networking.[/quote]

It’s not what you know, it’s who you know. Networking is huge![/quote]

This is not always true.

I applied to 10 jobs off of websites like careerbuilder and monster. Got 2 interviews and 2 job offers and I knew no one associated with either company.

Everyone that we hire is a random person, no networking involved.

I heard this BS advice towards the end of college. I never went to a single job fair, I never had a single internship. I had absolutely no networking done, but somehow, I found a job.

My dad has worked at his company for 35 yrs, he asked around and they had no positions available for someone with 0 experience, and that didn’t change cause I “knew somebody”.

95% of the time, random people applying for random jobs. Get hired…randomly. No networking needed.[/quote]

Question.

Have you started one of these jobs you were hired at? [/quote]

Answer

Yes. Been at my job for 8mo
[/quote]
I am sure you have caught up on this thread by now.

Glad you are employed.

Carry on[/quote]

Nope, what did I miss???

Something tells me that you were hoping my answer to your question was going to be “no” and that the only Interviews I had were at BS headhunting agencies leavi me with no job, hmmm?

I highly doubt you asked such a simple question just to get me to read this entire thread

carry on, eh?[/quote]
Honestly kind of saddens me that you did not take the time to read it, I mean it would take a couple minutes really.

You never know you may actually learn something from people older and more experienced than you. But again, good luck at your job.[/quote]

What do you Call A retard with experience? …a retard. I’ve had enough garbage advice from people with “experience” to realize that experience doesn’t mean everything. A lot of idiots out there pull the experience card cause they don’t have anything else to point to for credentials

[/quote]
So you have nobody in your field that is more experienced or advanced than you?

I have 20 years of medical experience and a masters degree. The same person just coming out of school has a masters degree also but 0 years of medical experience.

But we are equal? [/quote]

The owner of my company (44 yrs experience)
The vp of engineering (35 yrs experience)
My boss (20 yrs) experience.

They are all engineers and I keep my mouth shut and ears open when I am around them…but oddly enough, not a single one of them EVER cites how much experience they have (they are all engineers, this is a large reason I respect them and listen to them)

My shitsmear drafter has been at the company for 7 yrs (WAYYYYYY MORE EXPERIENCE THAN I HAVE!!!) and touts his experience left and right and even goes so far as to tell me that I don’t know what I am talking about (engineers are dumb). He starts lunch 5 min early, and leaves everyday 5 min early.

The more I hear someone make the experience argument the less likely I am to listen to them, again cause they are falling back on it cause it’s all they have

BEEN DOIN IT WRONG FOR SEVEN YEARS LONG!!!