[quote]MEYMZ wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Op, just transfer 10000$ to my bank account and I’ll send you the application formula.
Oh shit lol! Always straight to business. Don’t forget that a tutorial may be needed.[/quote]
Box of Cybergenics with Hardcore Bodybuilding Routine(c) included will be shipped to the op as soon as he sends his application in.
[quote]shoo wrote:
Holy fuck man, you look swole. Great arms and chest, need some work on the legs.[/quote]
Your kidding right
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Op, just transfer 10000$ to my bank account and I’ll send you the application formula.
Oh shit lol! Always straight to business. Don’t forget that a tutorial may be needed.
Box of Cybergenics with Hardcore Bodybuilding Routine(c) included will be shipped to the op as soon as he sends his application in.
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Fucking awesome cybergenics reference.
[quote]dj_eu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Until someone has put some time into this and actually built themselves up, they have no clue whether they even have the genetics or drive to reach a level of development most would consider “elite”.
For the record, I bet you 50 cents that the OP looks about as much like a “bodybuilder” right now as the fat Star Jones.
Unless you actually plan on doing well, why compete in bodybuilding?
No one in the audience exactly came to see someone who barely has any muscle on them…and further, what could a newbie learn from a comp when they don’t have the basics down?
Getting into comp shape is like taking two steps backwards unless you have truly reached the upper levels of development. No newbie around is going to reach their full potential if they are forcing themselves to diet down to that degree every year before the base is even built.
It used to be generally held that it takes about 3-4 years of heavy lifting before you can see just how much potential you might have on stage in the long run.
It seems most today want the praise before they ever put the time in.
Very valid points indeed.
Still, I personally think it’s unreasonable to expect to win going into a show, any show. You have no control who shows up on that day, in what condition, etc. I expected to win my first show, and was still convinced that I should have won after placing last.
The problem was, I knew very little about bodybuilding as a sport, about looking good on stage through excellent posing, exceptional symmetry and conditioning, etc. Only after doing a show was I able to open my eyes and learn, learn, learn… Learn to be better, learn to break through mental barriers and live with sacrifices.
I don’t think I could have learned that without actually stepping on stage, regardless of the number of books/articles read. Hence, the reason for recommending jumping in with both feet in the Novice class, enjoying the experience and learning from it. After all, this is just a hobby, right? So have fun with it!
Those are strictly my opinions, so OP take them for whatever they are worth.
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There seem to be contradictory opinions. No offense intended for the dj, but if you placed last on that show and thought you could take it, there must have been an ample breach between your thoughts and what actually happened. This difference between the posts can tell that the reasons for competing and the intended results are purely individual.
I’m personally on the side of competing if you expect to win the show, or at least have a placing on it. We should have a better look at the OP’s level, but the subject of the thread doesn’t help.
Finally, it sounds really stupid for me to imagine:
“Hey men, I’m 140lbs, 6%bodyfat (more likely 12-15%), and this 2 months of training have made me fall in love with the sport. I started at 135, still have way to go 'till I compete, but I plan to be peeled onstage at 200 for my first show, which is 2 years from now, what should I do?” I’m surely exaggerating but ya’ll get the idea.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Op, just transfer 10000$ to my bank account and I’ll send you the application formula.
Oh shit lol! Always straight to business. Don’t forget that a tutorial may be needed.
Box of Cybergenics with Hardcore Bodybuilding Routine(c) included will be shipped to the op as soon as he sends his application in.
[/quote]
Trim & huge 
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
now I’m taking as much time needed until I can compete to win my class and the show now to qualify for nationals and be a threat there.
Point is like X said and I think what your saying is…don’t compete until you can win…otherwise there is no point…[/quote]
Hell yeah, when you’re in it as deep, it makes perfect sense. Why hand over your ass without a fight. Id rather be the one that hides behind the oversized hoody for a couple years, cut it up, and try to kick some ass on stage.
A true testament to the bodybuilder mentality, never being satisfied with yesterday’s impossible. The norm becomes easily content with its self-image, goals, quality of life, etc.
Examples: Gerdy, the guy possess a physique that women (some, not taking anything away from you bro, but I could tell you how the universe was created before I could tell you what a woman wants) want sexually and men want to sport. Yet, the man desires for more. Improvement on something that the norm considers superior. Why? Because he has to.
When I thought I had a herniated disc, I didn’t sit on my hands and fly the white flag, I did BB bent over rows with just the bar, supported machine rows, anything I could to still work back even when walking was painful.
Why? Because I have to. I’m not saying that competitive bodybuilding is an elite sport that only a few ‘chosen’ individuals can partake in, but the reality is that: only a few individuals stick around long enough to pose on stage.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Op, just transfer 10000$ to my bank account and I’ll send you the application formula.
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Guaranteed contest ready in 90 days!
OP here,
I’ve gotten the point that bodybuilding is hard and that barely anyone has the drive to do it. If you believe me or not, I am motivated and committed, the problem is T-Nation has workout ADD with a new plan coming out everyday.
I found a 24-week program right now but where do I find more long term plans? Or am I suppose to do random 6-week programs that are posted every other day?
[quote]bmgiesbr wrote:
OP here,
I’ve gotten the point that bodybuilding is hard and that barely anyone has the drive to do it. If you believe me or not, I am motivated and committed, the problem is T-Nation has workout ADD with a new plan coming out everyday. I found a 24-week program right now but where do I find more long term plans? Or am I suppose to do random 6-week programs that are posted every other day?[/quote]
OBVIOUSLY…you should change your program every other day as well.
The rest of us just do whatever the website tells us to.
I got an email from here recommending I kill puppies and, honestly, as much as I like the little buggers, I like articles even more!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
bmgiesbr wrote:
OP here,
I’ve gotten the point that bodybuilding is hard and that barely anyone has the drive to do it. If you believe me or not, I am motivated and committed, the problem is T-Nation has workout ADD with a new plan coming out everyday. I found a 24-week program right now but where do I find more long term plans? Or am I suppose to do random 6-week programs that are posted every other day?
OBVIOUSLY…you should change your program every other day as well.
The rest of us just do whatever the website tells us to.
I got an email from here recommending I kill puppies and, honestly, as much as I like the little buggers, I like articles even more![/quote]
Yeah, I got one telling me to beat off in public and ask the first Mexican I see for a pound of midget. Not a good idea, Senor Equis. WTF? OP?
[quote]bmgiesbr wrote:
OP here,
I’ve gotten the point that bodybuilding is hard and that barely anyone has the drive to do it. If you believe me or not, I am motivated and committed, the problem is T-Nation has workout ADD with a new plan coming out everyday.
I found a 24-week program right now but where do I find more long term plans? Or am I suppose to do random 6-week programs that are posted every other day?[/quote]
I don’t even know where to find “programs” on here. Make your own fucking routine and keep getting stronger on it.
I’ve never changed my routine because I felt I’ve been doing it for too long. You evolve and learn what’s good for you and you change your routine so you benefit the most from it. Why would you keep changing your routine because the internet told you to? That’s just dumb.
Since people here love to have things prepackaged for them, I think it’d be in the best interest of the site to provide programs where the author either collaborates with other authors -
On things like diet, corrective/supplemental exercises, recovery - or where the articles turn into those “choose your own adventure!” stories, with the reader given a choice of fat loss, muscle building, maintenance, strength gaining, etc., so that for each variable, the writer(s) gives tips on how to teak the program.
Or, at the start of each article, simply say with what diet(s) the program would work best and how and when to change whatever parameter that is allowed to fluctuate to better suit a specific goal.
You know, since we have so many Helen-Keller-lead-me-blind body builders around.
[quote]bmgiesbr wrote:
OP here,
I’ve gotten the point that bodybuilding is hard and that barely anyone has the drive to do it. If you believe me or not, I am motivated and committed, the problem is T-Nation has workout ADD with a new plan coming out everyday.
I found a 24-week program right now but where do I find more long term plans? Or am I suppose to do random 6-week programs that are posted every other day?[/quote]
How is that a problem? Bodybuilding isn’t about a mere website prescribed training program. Bodybuilding is deeper than that. When I’m getting ready to get buried by the 130 DB on my weak arm, I don’t think, “Shit I should have listened to Chris’ training advice.”
I dig deep and push that fucker up with everything, complete the rep, and try to keep them moving even if the DBs are barely moving. I do what I do, because that’s what works time and time again.
In conclusion, if you follow the website blindly for training protocols, you don’t have enough experience on your weight belt. You haven’t made crucial connections with your body in order to find exactly what is needed to make progress.
[quote]OP here,
I’ve gotten the point that bodybuilding is hard and that barely anyone has the drive to do it. If you believe me or not, I am motivated and committed, the problem is T-Nation has workout ADD with a new plan coming out everyday.
I found a 24-week program right now but where do I find more long term plans? Or am I suppose to do random 6-week programs that are posted every other day?[/quote]
This right here is a bit worrying. If you don’t know what works for you personally and depend on a website to spit out programs for you to try, you’re not really setting yourself up for success.
The question is not one of motivation, but ORGANIZATION. Are you committed enough to mind all your P’s and Q’s, or are you one of those guys who kicks ass in the gym and rapidly loses interest in the other 1,001 factors it takes to make a successful amateur or pro bodybuilder? And are you prepared to do this for years on end, if need be?
You say you’ve had some success over the past 3 years. How much muscular bodyweight have you put on? What sort of lifts are we talking about for your size? Diet, training volume and frequency, and pics. These are all things the veteran posters need to see before they can really give you advice.
As for how does one become a “bodybuilder”, well: do you lift weights recreationally? Congratulations. You’re a bodybuilder. Here’s your hat.
Now, if you ask “how do I become a successful amateur bodybuilder” or “hey how do I get ready for my first show” I think the responses will be a little bit more helpful.
In my (admittedly underinformed) opinion IF you have any doubt in your mind at all that you’re ready to compete, you are not ready and will not succeed. If you have no plan of attack already drawn up in your mind you will not succeed.
If you don’t know your body well enough what weight class and body fat percentage you need to arrive at the day of the show to the POUND, you are not ready.
Assuming all the above is present and you are indeed ready to kick some ass, then I’d enter a local show as a novice lightweight. Hard to get any simpler than that.