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^^^I think I officially hate you now.
This thread is stupid i can make the same statement about all kinds of body types.
Fat people are fucking disgusting and a total eye sore. Fuck them, they are a burden on our health care system. Oh, and they are fucking disgusting.
Why is the OP such a closet homo? I would have rather seen Roseanne Barr’s ass vs that fag shot of him “bulking” that was posted. WTF? Bulking? Puleeze. Right. Face it - you were FAT, no to be specific, a FAT ASS, in that pic. I saw more cottage cheese in that “bulk” pic than the grocery store.
Yes, your a closet home, because only a self-absorbed, too scared to come out FAG, pines about friends of friends who are fat in pictures. OR maybe you like that girl but your too much of a dick head to let her know, so you berate her, because you feel somehow you can’t go public with her, til she sheds some weight.
What would you do, if you marry some hot ass chick (or guy, I forgot, your gay), and you get paralyzed somehow? And she leaves your impotent ass?
Bottom line, your a fucking waste of time/space/energy with an attitude like that. Furthermore, I shudder to think you will actually counsel anyone on any subject, except perhaps a how to class on Narcissim.
[quote]Oleena wrote:
Right, lifting weights DOES feel awesome, after about two weeks of trauma and soreness. It’s much better for mood and better in EVERY way than sitting on the couch eating icecream. [/quote]
Right the stats are there,I take my hat off to you on that.Are you honestly trying to say that there isn’t evidence to support the idea that people who exercise and are generally healthier do not have a better mood than the obese and people who don’t exercise at all?
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
there are plenty of people who wonder why would we want to carry an excess amount of muscle.
“i mean, his arm was lik the size of my HEAD, who would honestly want to look like that”[/quote]
This…
There is a kid at work that says this shit to me all the time.[/quote]
right, but the difference is most of us are doing things that INCREASE the quality of our life, our health, and length of life. People may ask why we carry excess muscle, but it serves a purpose. Excess fat is basically just sitting there killing you. [/quote]
Fucking hell mate. If quality (subjective much?) and length of life are prime motivators, then bodybuilding or getting super fucking strong is absolutely not necessary.
[quote]jithu wrote:
Fat people, it’s never late… Join a gym soon or start working out at home (at least 30 minutes a day)…[/quote]
And yet ANOTHER reason why Indians and T-Nation don’t mix. Or maybe they do, after all we do need cannon fodder, since knocking fat people in every other thread gets old.
Too much hating on fatties here.
Before you judge a fatty, have you considered that perhaps they’re at midpoint of their goal? Maybe they were 350 but are now at 250… but YOU’RE still grossed out.
Besides, would John Candy and Chris Farley have been as funny if they were thin like that douchebag Adam Sandler?
Fat bitched have huge asses
it confuses me when they dont have huge asses though.
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
I’m not someone who’s overweight, and trying like hell to change that fact. I’m talking about the people that when you see them in a picture, they’re 50% bigger than anyone else in that picture.
I was just looking at this picture of a friend of mine, she’s gorgeous, in great shape…and one of her friends is next to her. The friend is TWICE as big as her, AT LEAST. I can’t imagine why someone in this day and age, knowing what we know about health, the lifespan and quality of life, would let themselves not only get to that level, and then maintain it.
I mean, we’ve all heard the bullshit excuses "no time [even though they can watch tv for 5 hours/night], “it’s all genetics”, “it’s hard to eat right”. But if I’m in a situation where something I’m doing is basically poisoning my body…I don’t care how many excuses people make for me, I’m going to do something about it. What people are basically saying is, “Yeah, how I live is shortening my life and lowering it’s quality…but…” I mean really? really? I just don’t get it anymore. Stuff like this usually doesn’t bother me, but that picture I saw today just set me off. The girl’s friend looked like she was going to eat her. If I was that obese girl and I saw myself in that photo I would RUN to the fucking gym, yet this girl never will, and I can’t imagine a reason for that.
rant over. [/quote]
Uh, maybe you’re like the way you are because you don’t suffer from mental illness involving relationship with food.
[quote]Oleena wrote:
I’m going to restate this because it was buried in the last page: something like 1/3 of all morbidly obese women were sexually abused as a child.
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But what percentage of women in general have been sexually assaulted? Isn’t it like 25%? I’m not trying to downplay the relation that trauma, depression, coping, etc may have on poor eating habits or even serious eating disorders, but if the percentage of abused obese women isnt that much higher than women in general, is it really fair to imply causation?
[quote]Oleena wrote:
Right, lifting weights DOES feel awesome, after about two weeks of trauma and soreness. It’s much better for mood and better in EVERY way than sitting on the couch eating icecream. But there is some adjustment and discomfort you have to get through. It’s like giving up a relationship where the person is nice to you 50% of the time. You know you could do better, but it’s familiar and you know exactly how it meets your needs. At the same time, you aren’t 100% sure the new person is going to be worth it.
We unexpectedly discovered that histories of childhood sexual abuse were common, as were histories of growing up in markedly dysfunctional households," they wrote in The Permanente Journal this spring. Kaiser, based in Oakland, Calif., is the nation’s largest nonprofit health plan. Experts see strong link between sexual abuse and obesity - syracuse.com
The Impact of a History of Sexual Abuse on Weight Loss in Gastric Bypass Patients http://psy.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/47/2/108
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I sort of understand and buy it, but not completely. 30% or so leaves 70%. What’s their excuse? And if this figure is accurate extrapolated out , is this % of abuse the same as 20-50 years ago? Where the obesity level was much lower?
It might be a factor, but I doubt it’s exact causation. Every single person I know who is very obese is that way for the same reason. Eating to much, and not moving enough. While women that were sexually abused might have a greater % of obesity than women who weren’t, everyone is getting fatter.
And it is impacting society in many different ways. And it seems there is a whole lot of it’s not my fault etc., etc. out there.
Just last week a patient told me about her brother. He is very overweight btw. 7 slices of pizza, followed by two Burger King value meals. And washed down by 2, 3 liter bottles of Sprite a day.
I’m empathic enough with people’s problems and do not hate people, but I do not brook excuses. Most need to realize that they are killing themselves. There is no nutritional authority that says 6 liters of soda a day, that much pizza, and Burger King is good for you.
Personal accountability adovactes like me does not necessarily mean people who hate.
I can’t speak for other fatties, but I can tell about my personal experience.
I’m a fat guy. I’ve been a fat guy since I was a fat boy, and I was a fat boy as far back as I can remember. For me, it was fat genetics, combined with fatty food, that got me to my highest weight of around 275lbs of flab. If you have a strong stomach, you can view a picture of me, around that weight, in my hub.
At one point, I had the thought that I would like to lose some weight. I wanted to, but I honestly didn’t believe it could be done. I really believed that because my whole family is fat, nothing I did would matter. Combine that with the fact that I was younger, living at home, and unable to afford to buy my own food…I stayed fat.
Another time I decided to try to get my body in shape. I gave it a half-assed effort; I bought way too many supplements, didn’t work hard enough in the gym, and didn’t do any cardio because I thought it was too hard. Needless to say, that yielded absolutely no positive results.
At both of the time periods I spoke about above, I had absolutely no useful knowledge about training or diet. In the past few months, I’ve simply started learning. I’ve been reading everything I possibly can, and absorbing information from wherever possible. I truly believe that this, combined with actually putting in the hard work, is what has helped me make the little bit of progress I’ve made thus far.
For that reason, I think the answer to the obesity problem in the United States is education. I think it is important to warn children about the dangers of living with too much fat. But that isn’t enough. Beyond that, children need to be exposed to more information about how to build muscle and burn fat. Obviously, I’m not suggesting that 3rd graders need to be pulling big deadlifts, but they should learn how to work out in middle school and high school. Do you remember the “health” classes you had in school? They’re a complete joke.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
I’m empathic enough with people’s problems and do not hate people, but I do not brook excuses. Most need to realize that they are killing themselves. There is no nutritional authority that says 6 liters of soda a day, that much pizza, and Burger King is good for you.
Personal accountability adovactes like me does not necessarily mean people who hate.[/quote]
Why is it that you think anyone is accountable to you?
(not directed at anyone in particular) But I find it surprising how judgmental and vocal so many Americans are when it comes to fat people considering how Americans like to rage on about personal freedoms, rights and autonomy. It’s very interesting, especially on this forum where there seems to be quite a freedom loving American presence.
Why does the size of someone else’s ass trouble you folks so much? If you say it’s because of the cost of health care I’m going to call bullshit, because there are plenty of other bandwagons to jump on for that.
Shouldn’t I be free to carry 200lbs of fat if I choose?
[quote]debraD wrote:
Why does the size of someone else’s ass trouble you folks so much? If you say it’s because of the cost of health care I’m going to call bullshit, because there are plenty of other bandwagons to jump on for that.
Shouldn’t I be free to carry 200lbs of fat if I choose?
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Absolutely. People being fat does not bother me at all. If they’re OK being obese, that’s fine. But if someone tells me they can’t help being obese because there’s too much information or is going to make a bunch of excuses why they’re overweight, I’m going to debate that. The same way I’d debate an alcoholic who makes excuses about why he drinks. I don’t think debating why someone who isn’t losing weight on a training forum is out of line.
why, I’m a tax payer. Medicare, Medicaid private insurance are an example. The fella I mentioned is on Medicare snd Medicaid. You think his back issues are affected by being 150 + pounds overweight? I do. And we’re all paying for it. I doubt I average 200$ a year on medical expenses. You take out s car accident that was the other guys fault, and it’s close to zero.
You want to carry your own insurance and not be allowed to participate in Medicare or Medicaid, fine by me. If you want to pay an excessive amount for health insurance go Ahead, not my problem.
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
I’m empathic enough with people’s problems and do not hate people, but I do not brook excuses. Most need to realize that they are killing themselves. There is no nutritional authority that says 6 liters of soda a day, that much pizza, and Burger King is good for you.
Personal accountability adovactes like me does not necessarily mean people who hate.[/quote]
Why is it that you think anyone is accountable to you?
(not directed at anyone in particular) But I find it surprising how judgmental and vocal so many Americans are when it comes to fat people considering how Americans like to rage on about personal freedoms, rights and autonomy. It’s very interesting, especially on this forum where there seems to be quite a freedom loving American presence.
Why does the size of someone else’s ass trouble you folks so much? If you say it’s because of the cost of health care I’m going to call bullshit, because there are plenty of other bandwagons to jump on for that.
Shouldn’t I be free to carry 200lbs of fat if I choose?
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Btw, the guy I mentioned is I’m his early thirties and disabled, partly because of obesity.
So I’m going to work forever and he gets a check every month.
Now this info came from
his sister who is asking me how to Lose weight. She is also very heavy but is trying to get on the right track and help her health. I am not negative towards overweight people in general, but us is hosting taxpayers billions upon billions of dollars. What rankles ne is the it’s my body bs, take care of the mess I made attitude combined with whinyness.
I was 110 lbs as a kid. Skinny. I changed my body by busting my ass. Not blaming genetics, my past or whatever. Now I’m at 200 lbs.
And healthy at 47. I’m teaching my kids personal accountibility , which also includes their health.
Anyone who makes an effort gets my support, once the blame shifts somewhere else is when I get irritated .
I’m not trying to offend anyone as like most of you i’m far more interested in strength and fitness than wanting to fat or skinny. However has anyone ever wondered if maybe WE are the ones with the problem. How many people are so paranoid wether or not they get their protein shakes in or skip out on fun gatherings because they need to be in the gym. How many bodybuilders are so vain they constantly need the self assurance from other people, you know the whole “bro your so swole” deal.
I think there is so much more that goes on in everyones mind than anyone is willing to let on. A bodybuilder like Ronnie could be worse off mentally than a stick figure guy or an excessivly large guy. I don’t think what weight and body comp you have is nearly as important as in how comfortable you are with yourself. For some it goes hand in hand for others it doesn’t.