Most fat people are funny though…
[quote]MementoMori wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]MementoMori wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
I have to say, as someone who is considered medically obese at 5’7 and 165 lbs, I am not happy with the way I look. I’ve been underweight my whole life. I weighed around…110-115 when I graduated high school, I looked like an anorexic or concentration camp survivor. I believe the term is “skinny fat.” Since then I have been monumentally less active. I have, therefore, gained a crap load of weight.
I cannot change my lifestyle in a single instant. I cannot wake up one morning and go from being a Pepsi-drinking, mac-and-cheese and junk food eating, and inactive person to a hardcore eating clean/healthy, working out all the time person. I need to take baby steps. So, I stopped drinking soda. Started back up again after 4 months of no soda, got huge headaches, and thought “WTF?” so I stopped again. I started working out 2-3 times a week and eating regular meals, cut out almost (yes ALMOST) all junk food, and lost 10 pounds VERY slowly, over a few months, I would say. Then I completely regressed, and gained those 10 pounds plus some back, even went up a clothing size, which for a woman is HORRIBLE and the most tangible way to know you’re gaining weight. I only want to lose 20 or so pounds, possibly 30. I’m not talking about a HUGE amount of weight. But it is very hard to get active again when you have been inactive for so long.
And eating healthy? SHIT! I thought I was, but since I found this site, I realized I had just exchanged bad food for semi-bad food. Eating “dirty” is easy, you just eat what you want. Eating “clean” or “healthy” is difficult. You have so much information thrown at you, how the Hell are you supposed to know if it’s true or not? You have to do RESEARCH to eat healthy and clean. You have to put forth EFFORT to eat healthy and clean. If all you’re used to is nuking a TV dinner, making a boxed dinner, or ordering take out, this seems HUGE. So, will I be eating pb&j sandwiches for awhile? Yes. Why? Because they are better for me than what’s at work and easy to make. Will I be eating fruit cups instead of fresh fruit? Yes. Why? Because it’s easier for me to do right now and it’s more fruit than I had been eating. Will I still be having butterscotch or chocolate pudding for dessert at lunch? Yes, but I won’t be having ice cream right before I go to bed. SMALL STEPS.
You have to understand that people are not all wired the same way. Some people just don’t give a shit. Some people do, then when they look into it, go “WTF? INFORMATION OVERLOAD!!” and go back to the way they were. And some people start small and work their way up. Very few people can flip lifestyles in an instant. No one I know, who is fat, is happy. They do what they can to help themselves, but it’s never enough. Switching from regular Coke to Diet Coke is not going to help much, but they think it does. Humans love to take the easy way, the path of least resistance. Kelly Osborne said it best on DWTS when she said “Why am I sweating like when I take a shower? The reason I’m fat is because I hate to sweat.”
You just have to accept not everyone is like the people on this site.
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This is why I lean toward how OP feels. To be perfectly honest this rant makes absolutely no sense to me. I cannot comprehend why when wanting to be healthy you need ice cream. I cannot comprehend why you’d be angry that there is information out there that you need to read… Every profession every job, every hobby requires knowledge. I cannot comprehend why you needed to do research to learn that take out dinner and tv dinners are bad.
I cannot comprehend why the only fruit you can eat is the stuff covered in syrup when fruit takes so much longer to go bad than vegetables. I cannot comprehend why when you’re unhealthy and know these actions prolong your unhappiness your willing to indulge in them for even a second.
I know these are issues for a vast majority of people and you are not alone. I’m just saying from my paradigm it is like reading another language.
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It’s not about needing ice cream, it’s about tradition. Every night, before going to bed, I would have a treat, usually ice cream. On Saturdays, before dance class, while watching my cartoons I would have a HUGE bowl of ice cream for BREAKFAST.
It’s not about being angry about the information, it’s about the abundance of the information and how it contradicts itself. Even the basics differ, depending on what “expert” you talk to. I deal in absolutes, it’s the way I think. Why can’t there be a set of basics, set in stone? Like 1+1=2. That will always be the same. This whole eating healthy and exercise thing? It all depends on who you talk to, and if they’re male or female. I know TV dinners are bad, I didn’t need to research that. What I needed to research was what to eat instead and in what amounts. I mean, which expert do you go with? How do you decide? I am a complete beginner, and if I ask all the trainers on here how to accomplish my goals, I will get 20 different answers. Which one is right? Do you even see where the information is so vast that it becomes information overload and why people just say “fuck it!” and go back to the way they were?
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Again I’m just telling you I speak a different language. I can read what your saying and I’ve heard other people say it before, I know people think they are legitimate reasons and they do play a part in the body composition of some people. But to me they make ZERO sense. “I eat ice cream because it’s a tradition.” Plain makes no sense to me. That being said why I eat probably makes no sense to you. I eat the same stuff day in day out to excess, thousands of calories past what makes me full. I do not enjoy what I eat, even if its something I technically like the taste of. But I eat anyway, without pleasure. Food is a fuel. To me its not a tradition, or a pleasure, or a social tool. Its fuel I’m sick of. But I want to gain muscle, so I put up with it because thats life.
As for you saying there’s too much information. I was a skinny clueless 17 year old 135 lbs 6 foot tall kid who didn’t want to be skinny. I’m still trying to learn now, 4 years and 50 lbs later and I’ll still be trying to learn in 50 years. Not understanding isn’t an excuse to stop, its an indicator you need to put in more effort. No I don’t understand why people say fuck it. If you don’t get it try harder, there is a right answer for you. THAT is an absolute.
We’re all crushed and overwhelmed underneath endless information too, were all in the same boat, you’re just joining the game later.
Besides some things are simple and overthinking them is just a waste of effort. If you have a caloric deficit and progress on lifts, run times, scale readings, bf percentage it’s clearly working. There is no such thing as a fat person in a POW camp.
I hope you don’t find this insulting, because unfortunately I can be unkind and unforgiving to overweight people. I’m not trying to be like that right now, I’m just trying to show why I appear that way.[/quote]
You are also male, 21 yrs old, and are hopefully injury free. Women tend to store bodyfat easier than men. Metabolism slows down with age. There are a lot of factors, which is why there is an acceptable body fat range.
Lifting compound movements, slow acting carbs, lots of protein and healthy fats, and a healthy breakfast is good advice. But if you are over 50 lbs. overweight, will this help you to drop weight or just stop gaining weight?
Sorry, please continue your fat rant. It must be great to be young and knowledgable.
[quote]jithu wrote:
Fat people, it’s never late… Join a gym soon or start working out at home (at least 30 minutes a day)…[/quote]
Skinny people, it’s never too late… Join a gym soon or start working out at home (SFW, for you skinny noobs, that is Smash Fucking Weight). Oh, and stop bumping year old threads.
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
Theres no relationship between attractiveness and happiness.[/quote]
Actually I think it’s like 1/3 of all morbidly obese women were sexually abused as a child, so there might be a relationship there.
Fat People Make me sick! They think the’re the best loungers. Wide Asses, eatin all the skinny peoples food. They Stink and I hate em. Boogity boogity Fatty!
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[quote]jithu wrote:
Fat people, it’s never late… Join a gym soon or start working out at home (at least 30 minutes a day)…[/quote]
You may have saved some lives with this post.
Thank god for people like you.
[quote]mud lark wrote:
You are also male, 21 yrs old, and are hopefully injury free. Women tend to store bodyfat easier than men. Metabolism slows down with age. There are a lot of factors, which is why there is an acceptable body fat range.
Lifting compound movements, slow acting carbs, lots of protein and healthy fats, and a healthy breakfast is good advice. But if you are over 50 lbs. overweight, will this help you to drop weight or just stop gaining weight?
Sorry, please continue your fat rant. It must be great to be young and knowledgable.
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I’m 34, can’t do any real cardio because of knee surgery and agree with just about everything Memento said. I’m not “young and knowledgeable” and I manage my weight just fine. The basics are pretty damn simple. Especially when he’s addressing a person who’s habit of eating ice cream before bed led to being overweight.
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Lifting compound movements, slow acting carbs, lots of protein and healthy fats, and a healthy breakfast is good advice.
[/quote] But if you are over 50 lbs. overweight, will this help you to drop weight or just stop gaining weight?
Yes, if they don’t cheat they will lose weight. My girlfriend wanted to lose weight and thats exactly what I had her do. Guess what? 4-6 lbs a month consistently for 5 months. My coworker was over 100lbs over weight and this advice worked even better for him since he had more to lose. He’s around 30. It IS simple. 90% of it is not making excuses for yourself and just doing what you need to do.
I’m going to restate this because it was buried in the last page: something like 1/3 of all morbidly obese women were sexually abused as a child. One of the fattest women I trained fit this category (although she more alluded to it when discussing not wanting certain relatives over for the holidays).
People are fat, most of the time, because eating soothes them. You have a hard day at work, no one to talk to when you come home, what are you going to do? Well, you’re going to do everything you can to make yourself feel okay- mainly eat yummy foods, masturbate, and watch television. Those are your coping skills. They honestly DO make you feel better when you’re doing them and can be as psychologically addictive as drugs.
To ask someone who eats to help themselves feel better (which describes most middle-age guys and women I’ve met) to subject themselves to physical discomfort instead of relaxing on the couch with a beer and a steak, is actually asking quite a bit. They’re going to feel robbed and defensive at first because those activities make them feel like they can deal with life.
Show me the statistic that says that a third of morbidally obese women were sexually abused.You can’t list off a stat like that so casually and not back it up.And if you can’t,then I’m not going to believe it’s true,and neither should anyone else.
Lifting weights makes me feel better than having a beer and watching tv.I hated the idea of lifting weights before I started doing it.Maybe there are a lot of obese people who are the same.Maybe they’d enjoy going to the gym if they gave it a go.
I can assure you the vast,vast majority of people who post on this site find going to the gym very comforting.Obviously not when I’m bursting blood vessels trying to get the last rep of a set of squats,but the whole process and routine,I find very comforting and relaxing.
Right, lifting weights DOES feel awesome, after about two weeks of trauma and soreness. It’s much better for mood and better in EVERY way than sitting on the couch eating icecream. But there is some adjustment and discomfort you have to get through. It’s like giving up a relationship where the person is nice to you 50% of the time. You know you could do better, but it’s familiar and you know exactly how it meets your needs. At the same time, you aren’t 100% sure the new person is going to be worth it.
We unexpectedly discovered that histories of childhood sexual abuse were common, as were histories of growing up in markedly dysfunctional households," they wrote in The Permanente Journal this spring. Kaiser, based in Oakland, Calif., is the nation’s largest nonprofit health plan. Experts see strong link between sexual abuse and obesity - syracuse.com
The Impact of a History of Sexual Abuse on Weight Loss in Gastric Bypass Patients http://psy.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/47/2/108
In one study, sexual abuse during infancy, childhood, or adolescence was acknowledged by 25% of the obese group, versus 6% of the slender group.2 Also, a history of sexual abuse is associated with an increased likelihood of becoming obese.4
If you really don’t like seeing fat people, try developing some compassion and being a support for them in whatever they’re able to accomplish instead of just bitching and feeling superior.
[quote]Oleena wrote:
If you really don’t like seeing fat people, try developing some compassion and being a support for them in whatever they’re able to accomplish instead of just bitching and feeling superior. [/quote]
Its the internet. 90 percent of what we do here is bitching and feeling superior.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
cheeah
I’ve got a soundtrack for that:
Food will activate the same reward center in the brain that drugs do, releasing dopamine and all that good stuff. So in a way kicking a food habit could be similar to kicking a drug habit.
I think you guys should really worry about your own physiques first 
When you are doing it right and you know you’re doing it right it’s amazing how the need to be a self-righteous cunt disintegrates.
oh. This is a really old thread!
[quote]debraD wrote:
I think you guys should really worry about your own physiques first
When you are doing it right and you know you’re doing it right it’s amazing how the need to be a self-righteous cunt disintegrates.[/quote]
debraD, your avatar picture is gone:( My enjoyment of T-Nation has now dropped by 10%
I might actually have to start reading the threads.
I’d abuse a fat chick in the butthole