[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Hey I think Courtney Love is single. And probably very experienced and could show you some moves.
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Wow. Another Tracy Anderson training success story!
Either that or the Crypt Keeper just underwent gender reassignment surgery.
…Or she’s a junkie. Take your pick.
[quote]dianab wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
If you had been squished next to one in an airport seat or something then that would be something to rant about.
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Oh yeah, I had one of those from Chicago to Phoenix, big seat belt extender and baking air biscuits at one point too. In economy class, where there is no where to run.[/quote]
Diana, you could take comfort in the knowledge that you would have been totally capable of deadlifting him and carrying him over to a pair of empty seats on the other side of the aisle. Call it a Waterbury Walk, human-style.
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
People may ask why we carry excess muscle, but it serves a purpose. Excess fat is basically just sitting there killing you.
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I’ve been thinking about this recently. What purpose exactly does excess muscle serve? Beyond aesthetics and self esteem, I can’t really think of much other than delusional reasons to satisfy the fact that it is more than just vanity. I’m not knocking it as I pursue it myself, I’m just interested in what you think?
My friend once tried to justify 5 years in the gym by saying he moved a heavy couch on his own, this all he could come up with. He could also make his pecs dance.
[quote]markdp wrote:
How do people who make threads like this live with themselves? Are you fucking kidding me? I always wondered how an atrocity such as the holocaust could ever happen. People like you, and the people that agreed with you, are the reason this world fucking sucks.[/quote]
Actually, it’s quite the opposite.
The Holocaust happened because a smart industrious people, the Germans, were insanely jealous of a people that were even smarter and more industrious, the Jews. There was no way the Germans could successfully compete with the Jews, except that they outnumbered them and could kill them.
This thread happened because an active health-conscious people, the T-Nation, wonders why fat people can’t take the relatively simple steps needed to improve their lives and become fit. Fat people aren’t our rivals. We don’t envy them, we pity them. We don’t want to kill them - rather, we would like to see them improve their lives.
[quote]jwillow wrote:
[quote]markdp wrote:
How do people who make threads like this live with themselves? Are you fucking kidding me? I always wondered how an atrocity such as the holocaust could ever happen. People like you, and the people that agreed with you, are the reason this world fucking sucks.[/quote]
Actually, it’s quite the opposite.
The Holocaust happened because a smart industrious people, the Germans, were insanely jealous of a people that were even smarter and more industrious, the Jews. There was no way the Germans could successfully compete with the Jews, except that they outnumbered them and could kill them.
This thread happened because an active health-conscious people, the T-Nation, wonders why fat people can’t take the relatively simple steps needed to improve their lives and become fit. Fat people aren’t our rivals. We don’t envy them, we pity them. We don’t want to kill them - rather, we would like to see them improve their lives.[/quote]
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[quote]OT wrote:
[quote]bartonmlee wrote:
all pov are good and for most overweight people, they are addicted to eating food and is as powerfull as narcs
and requires drastic measures to get better and the same for those who are addicted to drugs. both can cause servere damages to their bodies and the worrk they must do to repair their damaged bodies as well.[/quote]
don’t compare being fat to a chemical addiction, that’s a fucking joke.[/quote]
not as much as you think, eating releases endorphins, a.k.a addictive chemicals (well additctive in some cases), and not eating what your addicted brain now wants releases something…I forget what exactly, but it sets cravings in pretty bad, like other addictions.
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
Theres no relationship between attractiveness and happiness.[/quote]
I’d have to disagree… The more attractive the people are around me, the happier I am… and vice versa… 
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
right, but the difference is most of us are doing things that INCREASE the quality of our life, our health, and length of life.[/quote]
Dave Tate’s list of injuries comes to mind.
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
I as just looking at this picture of a friend of mine, she’s gorgeous, in great shape…and one of her friends is next to her. The friend is TWICE as big as her, AT LEAST. [/quote]
Astronomers use “gravitational lensing” - the proximity of celestial bodies as gravitational lenses - to maximize the images of other celestial bodies.
Similarly, many hot women like to have a friend that is fat (or ugly… preferably both) so that they look hotter next to them. The technique is called “fat/ugly” lensing.
Jokes aside (and not to insinuate your friend is doing this), I’ve actually met a couple of them who actually admit they have “fat” friends for that purpose. That is a much more morbid way of living that living while being obese IMO.
[quote]davidcox1 wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
why do you care?
All the ills in the world and this is what instigates you to write a rant?
If you had been squished next to one in an airport seat or something then that would be something to rant about.
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I ranted about getting squished by fatties in a crowded plane and I got hell for it. Someone compared my supposed animosity toward fat people (not true really) with sexism and racism. I was taken aback. Generally, race and sex are immutable, but our body weight is not. I don’t think there is such a thing as “fatism,” but if there is, I’ve already been accused of it. I believe nearly all fat people could do something about their excessive weight but don’t. Even thyroid problems can be treated with medication.[/quote]
^^^ Yes to this. Almost every person with a weight problem can do something about it. And, while it is true that making fun of them can be conceived as cruel, to compare it to racism or sexism is just plain idiotic. It trivializes the innate evil in racism and sexism while shifting some of the blame away from the people who are obese (who, no matter how we cut it, they are responsible to one degree or another for their condition.)
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
To hate fat people is ridiculous. Some of the happiest, nicest people I know are fat people. Live and let live.
What I do hate, however, is the fatasses (normally women) who bitch and complain that they’re fat. They cry that they’ve tried everything and worked out and blah blah, but how they still just can’t seem to lose weight.
No douchefuck, you’re lazy and you’re lying to yourself.
That gets under my skin[/quote]
Yep
First post, hai!
I used to be tubby, until i was 18, im 25 now and have been happily mean and fit for a while.
I remember as a kid, one thing that used to fuck me up mentally, on the road to gettin’ my shit sorted. “It’s taken years to put the weight on, it’ll take as many to take it off again”. I think it was dear old pa who used to spout this, and if you’re like me, an impatient mofo, nothing more demotivational.
Good job it was lies.
I sympathise with our obese cousins, certainly cant find it in me to depise them, though i can quite happily despise weak, lazy cowardly peoples.
Odds are stacked against them… someone earlier n the thread related food abuse to narcotics, the best laugh is that these days, given the chemical molestations of our food, 's not far wrong.
Crux of the problem is education. I’m clever by average standards, but i didnt understand (until i was about 19) that “fat” on food packaging wasnt the problem; i didnt have a clue about carbs and calories. School doesnt teach you that shit, and yet for years i was demonising fat, while tucking into bread and pasta in rather large quantities 
End of the day we’re only human, if you put cakes infront of us and expect us to be able to ration ourselves the correct amount of cake without fucking it all up, then you’re deffo asking for trouble. If i was King of the World i’d delete all junk food completely, you’d only be able to buy organic grassfed meets n healthy carbs n fat.
Poor fatties 
I agree with Jereth – there’s already far too much body pressure on women, and it can be a pretty destructive thing. Combine that with bad nutritional information and a sort of cultural assumption that women will always fail at dieting because we just love chocolate more than life itself, and you get fucked-up, sad fat people who try absurd diets and make themselves sicker but no thinner.
Honestly, either alternative would be better. Stay fat but be sane, happy, and successful; or change your body. What society tells us to do, however, is to freak out and fail.
Some of you have no idea what people try before it occurs to them to eat sensibly. In my time (and I was never overweight or underweight; I’m about as average as they come) I’ve tried to subsist on two cans of tuna for a week; started “diets” that consisted of skipping lunch; determined that half one’s plate should be lettuce, a quarter beans, and a quarter vegetables; and been upset at myself that I couldn’t stick to that regimen!
Check this out: The FAST! - Lucy Knisley — LiveJournal
very funny comic by one of my favorite artists about the time she tried the “Master Cleanse” diet. I like her take on it, but my initial reaction was “People do that? But that’s ridiculous!” People out there are doing ridiculous shit with religious conviction.
[quote]HiFiBoy wrote:
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
People may ask why we carry excess muscle, but it serves a purpose. Excess fat is basically just sitting there killing you.
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I’ve been thinking about this recently. What purpose exactly does excess muscle serve? Beyond aesthetics and self esteem, I can’t really think of much other than delusional reasons to satisfy the fact that it is more than just vanity. I’m not knocking it as I pursue it myself, I’m just interested in what you think?
My friend once tried to justify 5 years in the gym by saying he moved a heavy couch on his own, this all he could come up with. He could also make his pecs dance.
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I’ll bet you’re under 30. Once you pass that mark, your perspective may change. For one thing, statistics show that for each decade past age 20, the average person loses at least 5% of their lean mass. That’s APART from the typical weight gain that comes with age. In other words, you could watch your diet and weigh the same on the scale at 50 as you weighed at 25 - but have much more fat and less muscle on your frame.
Beyond aesthetics, why should you care if that’s the case? For one thing, the more lean mass you have the longer (and healthier) your life will be. You know what the dividing line often is between people who succumb to a prolonged illness and those who recover from it? The amount of lean mass they had before they became ill.
You know all those elderly people who slip on some ice or trip over a rug and break their hip and nine months later they’re dead? Usually they have little ability to generate power (force x acceleration). Research shows that power is the first thing that declines as untrained people age - it diminishes even quicker than lean mass. Guess how you can halt or even reverse this loss of power: lifting weights, especially if you lift them fast.
Have you heard about how most of the chronic diseases of civilized societies, the ones that kill 95% of people (heart disease, stroke, cancer, diabetes) are essentially caused by chronic inflammation? And are you aware that another, albeit non-deadly problem that plagues older people - osteoarthritis - is also an inflammatory condition? Excess bodyfat isn’t just ugly dead weight- it’s a portable factory that churns out inflammatory chemicals 24/7. If you want to keep bodyfat to a minimum, you basically have two options - either eat progressively fewer calories as you age or make sure you carry excess muscle.
Finally, have you heard how depression is epidemic in older people? Or that, as they age, men gradually become more feminized (lower testosterone and increased estrogen - think moobs, erectile dysfunction, and prostate problems)? Guess what a great way to make sure your hormonal profile stays in a healthy balance and your mood stays positive? Oh, I suppose you can support the pharmaceutical companies instead: they sell all sorts of products to address these issues, including two of their bestsellers - antidepressants and Viagra.
So follow the crowd and you will start becoming decrepit somewhere around 25. Or, as Charles Staley says, you can look at what most people around you are doing and do the opposite.
Wait till you’re over 40 and you find yourself having to actually talk yourself out of training again because you’re bursting with energy but you’ve already trained four times this week. Wait till you’re over 40 and you find yourself running up stairs two at time when people much younger than you opt to take the elevator. Wait till you’re over 40 and wake up under a tent every morning as Poliquin puts it, and you feel just as horny and damn near as invincible as you did when you were 17.
Oh yeah, and you can move heavy couches.
When you get there, and I hope you do, you will understand.
I have been obese in the past. It did suck living with myself. When you look like that you hate being in any picture ever. You hate any activity that requires you to take your shirt off. You are not comfortable with the opposite sex. Then there are the physical side effects. No fucking energy. You always feel hungry cuz you confuse every other emotion with hunger.
You envy not fat people. And deep down you know it is your fault, and that it is killing you. It fucks up your body image and self esteem. Going from obese to fit is incredibly tough.
The addiction to food is real and if it hasn’t happened to you then you do not know.
Now I have lost an entire small human being in fat (80lbs) and My body image still sucks. I have had ppl comment that my arms are as big as their legs. I can see my abs. Today upon meeting a patient she said " I am sorry , but u r sexy as hell!" but after all this, I am still very uncomfortable removing my shirt in public, and see mainly the negative aspects of my physique.I do not know If I will ever have a healthy body image.
----But that being said, life is still one hundred times better as a lean buff dude than a fat guy.
----My advice, do not hate fat ppl- they are doing it for you. If they ask you for advice, try and help them. Every once in a while you will find one ready to make a change.
This chick seems happy…
[quote]jwillow wrote:
[quote]markdp wrote:
How do people who make threads like this live with themselves? Are you fucking kidding me? I always wondered how an atrocity such as the holocaust could ever happen. People like you, and the people that agreed with you, are the reason this world fucking sucks.[/quote]
Actually, it’s quite the opposite.
The Holocaust happened because a smart industrious people, the Germans, were insanely jealous of a people that were even smarter and more industrious, the Jews. There was no way the Germans could successfully compete with the Jews, except that they outnumbered them and could kill them.
This thread happened because an active health-conscious people, the T-Nation, wonders why fat people can’t take the relatively simple steps needed to improve their lives and become fit. Fat people aren’t our rivals. We don’t envy them, we pity them. We don’t want to kill them - rather, we would like to see them improve their lives.[/quote]
True. But do you think that is how he advertised it and got people to go along with him?
“They’re better then us, let’s kill them!”
No. He used propaganda, and tried to make everyone believe they were sub human, so they should have no moral qualms about exterminating them.
Some people actually try to get fat.
“I was about 14, I think, that’s 30 years ago, give or take. The hardest thing was admiring other bellies, used to make me wonder bout myself, str8/gay whatever. But I figured it out and now it’s a hobby of sorts, gut appreciation. Anyway I’m str8 and married with a kid and still admire the big guts wherever they are.”
“I still believe in being healthy, nothing greater than a huge healthy gut.”
Sick.
The links provided by super saiyan are indeed sick, and I have no time or respect for people like that, but it’s hardly a reason to dump on all fat people. Weirdo’s from places like that where people actually go out of their way to be fat and disgusting are obviously in the minority, and I have no doubt that attitude is bred from a deep-rooted want to like like yourself. But instead of making the effort to change, they embrace their fatness and convince themselves that’s how they want to be
Sad, really.