How Do Fat People Live With Themselves?

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Jereth127 wrote:

[quote]ozzyaaron wrote:
I’m 5’11", I used to be 200kg and have been down to 90kg and now hover around 100kg and usually keep my abs visible. So I’ve done kinda the two extremes.
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That is seriously fucking impressive, much respect.

Body image in society is something I’ve actually been thinking about a lot lately. I like to take care of my body as much as anyone else but I think these ‘anti-fat’ threads are pointless and arrogant. Unless someone is seriously obese, I really don’t notice it about them, and I’d much rather be with a girl that carried a bit of meat than a fucking stick insect.

I’ve become disgusted with the images of ‘perfection’ the media throws at us day after day after day. They are sending a message that unless you look like that dude from Twilight(this year’s ideal look, apparently) or Megan Fox, then you aren’t good enough.
Personality and intelligence are being stamped out to make way for ‘hawt abz’ or a ‘toned belly’. Stomach fat is seen as the devil. Combine this with the amount of shitty, processed food that is so cheap and so easy to and live on and the throw in the misinformation that is hurled at people by the fitness industry(the stuff highlighted in the ‘misinforative video’ thread) and it’s no wonder there are so many overweight people out there.

But the images of what a person ‘should’ look like are so fucking perfect that anybody who is carrying a bit of excess weight starts to feel like shit about themselves(the same seems to apply to seriously underweight people as well).
I was talking to a pretty thin friend recently about weight training and he admitted that one problem about going weight training in the gym is that you look like an idiot when you’re a skinny guy trying to lift weights. As silly as this might seem to us I understand what he meant. I used to weigh 175lbs at 6’'0 and I admit I did feel a bit strange being a skinny guy in the weights section the first few times. A workmate confirmed the same thing.
The same thing applies to fat people. They even look out of place in the gym. When working at a gym last year I used to love to see them in there making an effort and trying but I rarely saw them return and truth be told I only ever saw 3 of them.

I couldn’t imagine how hard it is for an obese person to start exercising. The fear of ridicule must be immense. My sister’s dear friend was once a very heavy girl but in about 6 months she lost something like 150lbs and is now a chronic anorexic(hospitalised at the moment). It’s a sad situation. She wanted to lose the weight so badly she went the wrong way about and at the end of the day it’s society’s fault for equating fat=bad.

Don’t get me wrong. I love to see people in the gym and making the effort(40 year old wives trying to lose the bingo-wings or the underweight 17 year old guy trying desperately to put on a bit of mass) but it pisses me off to see people feel like shit because they don’t succumb to what’s deemed as ‘ideal’ by a clueless society.

Further more AccipiterQ, girls(for reasons I’ll never fully comprehend) are much much much more conscious of how they look and their BF% than men are. We all know this. So your friend’s obese friend probably doesn’t feel great about herself.
I’d hate to be in that situation. Over time it leads to terrible self-esteem and sadly this paradigm shows no sign of stopping.

Gah, sorry, rant over. Just something that’s been on my mind a bit lately. [/quote]

Well said.

If I didn’t create a gym at home there’s no way I would have lost weight because there is no way I was going to work out publicly.

I have a friend who has lost 60lbs since the summer and he’s ready and wanting to get into better shape and lift weights and get in some conditioning but he won’t go the gym because he doesn’t want to be a flabby weakling publicly. He also wants to go swimming but can’t bring himself to go shirtless in public. He would even take off his shirt to put on a life jacket to go tubing at the lake this summer even though I know he really badly wanted to get on the thing. You’d think after losing a bunch of weight he’d be feeling better but that isn’t the case.[/quote]

EXACTLY!

I have a friend who is newly single as her husband left her and she cannot stand the thought of going to a gym and having people look at her.

I just have sympathy for folks who are living these constrained lives. I don’t have any urge to pile bile on top of them.

Don’t we all remember high school and the mean kids? Either being the victim or being the mean kid? Unfortunately sometimes life continues to be high school mean kids and this post reeks of it.

[quote]davidcox1 wrote:

[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
i hate people with crooked teeth. i mean, why can’t they just get braces? what a bunch of assholes.[/quote]

Not the same thing as being fat.[/quote]

I think he was doing a parody. =)

and how do they live with themselves? it must not be easy.

Why hate fat people? They hate themselves enough as it is.

[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Why hate fat people? They hate themselves enough as it is.[/quote]

especially if they have a jew nose right?

I don’t care how most people live their life…but morbidly obese people make want to puke.

to GVkid

too shay or to che . . . . . bravo

i think thats the only good thing out of this thread

[quote]Jereth127 wrote:

[quote]ozzyaaron wrote:
I’m 5’11", I used to be 200kg and have been down to 90kg and now hover around 100kg and usually keep my abs visible. So I’ve done kinda the two extremes.
[/quote]

That is seriously fucking impressive, much respect.

Body image in society is something I’ve actually been thinking about a lot lately. I like to take care of my body as much as anyone else but I think these ‘anti-fat’ threads are pointless and arrogant. Unless someone is seriously obese, I really don’t notice it about them, and I’d much rather be with a girl that carried a bit of meat than a fucking stick insect.

I’ve become disgusted with the images of ‘perfection’ the media throws at us day after day after day. They are sending a message that unless you look like that dude from Twilight(this year’s ideal look, apparently) or Megan Fox, then you aren’t good enough.
Personality and intelligence are being stamped out to make way for ‘hawt abz’ or a ‘toned belly’. Stomach fat is seen as the devil. Combine this with the amount of shitty, processed food that is so cheap and so easy to and live on and the throw in the misinformation that is hurled at people by the fitness industry(the stuff highlighted in the ‘misinforative video’ thread) and it’s no wonder there are so many overweight people out there.

But the images of what a person ‘should’ look like are so fucking perfect that anybody who is carrying a bit of excess weight starts to feel like shit about themselves(the same seems to apply to seriously underweight people as well).
I was talking to a pretty thin friend recently about weight training and he admitted that one problem about going weight training in the gym is that you look like an idiot when you’re a skinny guy trying to lift weights. As silly as this might seem to us I understand what he meant. I used to weigh 175lbs at 6’'0 and I admit I did feel a bit strange being a skinny guy in the weights section the first few times. A workmate confirmed the same thing.
The same thing applies to fat people. They even look out of place in the gym. When working at a gym last year I used to love to see them in there making an effort and trying but I rarely saw them return and truth be told I only ever saw 3 of them.

I couldn’t imagine how hard it is for an obese person to start exercising. The fear of ridicule must be immense. My sister’s dear friend was once a very heavy girl but in about 6 months she lost something like 150lbs and is now a chronic anorexic(hospitalised at the moment). It’s a sad situation. She wanted to lose the weight so badly she went the wrong way about and at the end of the day it’s society’s fault for equating fat=bad.

Don’t get me wrong. I love to see people in the gym and making the effort(40 year old wives trying to lose the bingo-wings or the underweight 17 year old guy trying desperately to put on a bit of mass) but it pisses me off to see people feel like shit because they don’t succumb to what’s deemed as ‘ideal’ by a clueless society.

Further more AccipiterQ, girls(for reasons I’ll never fully comprehend) are much much much more conscious of how they look and their BF% than men are. We all know this. So your friend’s obese friend probably doesn’t feel great about herself.
I’d hate to be in that situation. Over time it leads to terrible self-esteem and sadly this paradigm shows no sign of stopping.

Gah, sorry, rant over. Just something that’s been on my mind a bit lately. [/quote]

cool post

I would like to add that we live in a world of individualism and ego. Me too I like to tell myself that I lift weight for the thrill, to feel alive,because I enjoy being in the zone, for health and wellness, I would really like it to be that way and it is partially true but let’s look at how we really are. We lift weight because deep down we want to be attractive. In fact we do it for our big egos. I mean isnt it sick that we all have an obsession with something as trivial as what we eat and our BF% or even on a larger scale all the consommation crap. It’s a dead end.

I have the feeling that this cyber community of lonely individuals (we all are nowadays) is as alienated or even more than the general population. If you don’t think we people are messed up and that YOU are conditionned then you need to stop and observe yourself. We live in our past, in our conclusion (and we shout it on the PWI forum) and in our mental image of things and other person that merge with the present. We never really look at things how they really are. We are scared. I mean do you ever sit on a bench and look at the landscape with a completely empty mind without remixing in your head your past and your experience and the ideal situation you would like to reach (that you never reach anyway). We live a little petty ugly life

I’ll probably get flamed yet again for this but whatever I am just a fool and you can go hate the pics in my hub. or maybe not as no one gives a shit these days

Listening to people who have been relatively fit their whole lives discuss the struggles of fat people is kind of like listening to white people discuss racism.

http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/6/2/624c9_ORIG-ew.jpg

As far as I can tell they post suggestive pictures online.

Sorry Accipter couldn’t resist.

As for people saying they feel uncomfortable going to the gym. Then wear a track suit and head phones. I started at the gym 135 pounds 6 feet tall, pathetic. Not going to the gym because you feel bad about your physique is not a justification its an oxymoron.

[quote]bartonmlee wrote:
all pov are good and for most overweight people, they are addicted to eating food and is as powerfull as narcs

and requires drastic measures to get better and the same for those who are addicted to drugs. both can cause servere damages to their bodies and the worrk they must do to repair their damaged bodies as well.[/quote]

don’t compare being fat to a chemical addiction, that’s a fucking joke.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

If you had been squished next to one in an airport seat or something then that would be something to rant about.
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Oh yeah, I had one of those from Chicago to Phoenix, big seat belt extender and baking air biscuits at one point too. In economy class, where there is no where to run.

[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Why hate fat people? They hate themselves enough as it is.[/quote]

Exactly.

So not worth the effort.

To hate fat people is ridiculous. Some of the happiest, nicest people I know are fat people. Live and let live.

What I do hate, however, is the fatasses (normally women) who bitch and complain that they’re fat. They cry that they’ve tried everything and worked out and blah blah, but how they still just can’t seem to lose weight.

No douchefuck, you’re lazy and you’re lying to yourself.

That gets under my skin

How do people who make threads like this live with themselves? Are you fucking kidding me? I always wondered how an atrocity such as the holocaust could ever happen. People like you, and the people that agreed with you, are the reason this world fucking sucks.

[quote]MementoMori wrote:
As far as I can tell they post suggestive pictures online.

Sorry Accipter couldn’t resist.

As for people saying they feel uncomfortable going to the gym. Then wear a track suit and head phones. I started at the gym 135 pounds 6 feet tall, pathetic. Not going to the gym because you feel bad about your physique is not a justification its an oxymoron.[/quote]

Okay, after reading the full thread, I feel sorry for you. lol

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
To hate fat people is ridiculous. Some of the happiest, nicest people I know are fat people. Live and let live.

What I do hate, however, is the fatasses (normally women) who bitch and complain that they’re fat. They cry that they’ve tried everything and worked out and blah blah, but how they still just can’t seem to lose weight.

No douchefuck, you’re lazy and you’re lying to yourself.

That gets under my skin[/quote]

Pretty much how I feel. You do what you want with your life but as soon as you start to bitch and moan about your situation and there are ways to change it but you refuse to then… well, no sympathy from me.

[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
I’m not someone who’s overweight, and trying like hell to change that fact. I’m talking about the people that when you see them in a picture, they’re 50% bigger than anyone else in that picture.

I was just looking at this picture of a friend of mine, she’s gorgeous, in great shape…and one of her friends is next to her. The friend is TWICE as big as her, AT LEAST. I can’t imagine why someone in this day and age, knowing what we know about health, the lifespan and quality of life, would let themselves not only get to that level, and then maintain it.

I mean, we’ve all heard the bullshit excuses "no time [even though they can watch tv for 5 hours/night], “it’s all genetics”, “it’s hard to eat right”. But if I’m in a situation where something I’m doing is basically poisoning my body…I don’t care how many excuses people make for me, I’m going to do something about it. What people are basically saying is, “Yeah, how I live is shortening my life and lowering it’s quality…but…” I mean really? really? I just don’t get it anymore. Stuff like this usually doesn’t bother me, but that picture I saw today just set me off. The girl’s friend looked like she was going to eat her. If I was that obese girl and I saw myself in that photo I would RUN to the fucking gym, yet this girl never will, and I can’t imagine a reason for that.

rant over. [/quote]

Cool story brah.

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
Some people are just happy and that is all. I would rather be obese and live an happy life then have a physique like Arnold and suffer psychologically all the time. If she is happy the way she is then this is great[/quote]

These are very unlikely scenerios though.

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]Jereth127 wrote:

[quote]ozzyaaron wrote:
I’m 5’11", I used to be 200kg and have been down to 90kg and now hover around 100kg and usually keep my abs visible. So I’ve done kinda the two extremes.
[/quote]

That is seriously fucking impressive, much respect.

Body image in society is something I’ve actually been thinking about a lot lately. I like to take care of my body as much as anyone else but I think these ‘anti-fat’ threads are pointless and arrogant. Unless someone is seriously obese, I really don’t notice it about them, and I’d much rather be with a girl that carried a bit of meat than a fucking stick insect.

I’ve become disgusted with the images of ‘perfection’ the media throws at us day after day after day. They are sending a message that unless you look like that dude from Twilight(this year’s ideal look, apparently) or Megan Fox, then you aren’t good enough.
Personality and intelligence are being stamped out to make way for ‘hawt abz’ or a ‘toned belly’. Stomach fat is seen as the devil. Combine this with the amount of shitty, processed food that is so cheap and so easy to and live on and the throw in the misinformation that is hurled at people by the fitness industry(the stuff highlighted in the ‘misinforative video’ thread) and it’s no wonder there are so many overweight people out there.

But the images of what a person ‘should’ look like are so fucking perfect that anybody who is carrying a bit of excess weight starts to feel like shit about themselves(the same seems to apply to seriously underweight people as well).
I was talking to a pretty thin friend recently about weight training and he admitted that one problem about going weight training in the gym is that you look like an idiot when you’re a skinny guy trying to lift weights. As silly as this might seem to us I understand what he meant. I used to weigh 175lbs at 6’'0 and I admit I did feel a bit strange being a skinny guy in the weights section the first few times. A workmate confirmed the same thing.
The same thing applies to fat people. They even look out of place in the gym. When working at a gym last year I used to love to see them in there making an effort and trying but I rarely saw them return and truth be told I only ever saw 3 of them.

I couldn’t imagine how hard it is for an obese person to start exercising. The fear of ridicule must be immense. My sister’s dear friend was once a very heavy girl but in about 6 months she lost something like 150lbs and is now a chronic anorexic(hospitalised at the moment). It’s a sad situation. She wanted to lose the weight so badly she went the wrong way about and at the end of the day it’s society’s fault for equating fat=bad.

Don’t get me wrong. I love to see people in the gym and making the effort(40 year old wives trying to lose the bingo-wings or the underweight 17 year old guy trying desperately to put on a bit of mass) but it pisses me off to see people feel like shit because they don’t succumb to what’s deemed as ‘ideal’ by a clueless society.

Further more AccipiterQ, girls(for reasons I’ll never fully comprehend) are much much much more conscious of how they look and their BF% than men are. We all know this. So your friend’s obese friend probably doesn’t feel great about herself.
I’d hate to be in that situation. Over time it leads to terrible self-esteem and sadly this paradigm shows no sign of stopping.

Gah, sorry, rant over. Just something that’s been on my mind a bit lately. [/quote]

cool post

I would like to add that we live in a world of individualism and ego. Me too I like to tell myself that I lift weight for the thrill, to feel alive,because I enjoy being in the zone, for health and wellness, I would really like it to be that way and it is partially true but let’s look at how we really are. We lift weight because deep down we want to be attractive. In fact we do it for our big egos. I mean isnt it sick that we all have an obsession with something as trivial as what we eat and our BF% or even on a larger scale all the consommation crap. It’s a dead end.

I have the feeling that this cyber community of lonely individuals (we all are nowadays) is as alienated or even more than the general population. If you don’t think we people are messed up and that YOU are conditionned then you need to stop and observe yourself. We live in our past, in our conclusion (and we shout it on the PWI forum) and in our mental image of things and other person that merge with the present. We never really look at things how they really are. We are scared. I mean do you ever sit on a bench and look at the landscape with a completely empty mind without remixing in your head your past and your experience and the ideal situation you would like to reach (that you never reach anyway). We live a little petty ugly life

I’ll probably get flamed yet again for this but whatever I am just a fool and you can go hate the pics in my hub. or maybe not as no one gives a shit these days
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I’m not going to flame you as these were very good words! Thank you!