Let’s say we have 2 natural guys that have both trained to a reasonably advanced degree. No.1 has average genetics while No.2 is in the top 10%.
We now have both of the guys do a couple of strongish cycles. No.1 has a top 10% response to gear, while No.2 has an average response.
Which guy has the best physique/strength after the first couple of cycles? WIll the answer change much if we add more cycles/time?
All things being equal the guy with the better genetics will have the best response because, well, he had the better genetics.
I figure there’s so many other factors at play too and the outcomes are limitless. Really odd question.
A hard-gainer can have huge results on gear and vice versa. You can have meh genetics for muscle building, but amazing genetics for how much of a boost gear gives you etc etc.
If you know the answers then tell us instead of making us guess.
Guy #2 wins. His top 10% genetics are in the things that matter, i.e. training response and nutrient efficiency. Having a stellar response to gear but being average everywhere else will make him an above average guy, but he’s not beating the other guy.
Genetics for the win. No contest, not even close.
When it comes to training results, here are the most influential factors, in order:
Try to become a top champion in anything with only # 2-5 completely dialed in and you’ll never make it.
Conversely, if you have #1 alone, you can suck at all the others and still make phenomenal progress.
Massive difference. Genetics is almost everything.
People don’t like it but it’s true.
Well - physique OR strenght then? You put them together like they are somehow connected…
Physique will be definetly judged by genetics and response to drugs can only make you bigger but wont change the actual look - we have enough examples of a mass monster who has never won anything against guys with genetics.
With strenght its simmilar - there are strenght genetics for some lifts. Long arms and short legs for deadlift - cant be beat by steroids but in this case MAYBE you can just drug yourselft up and beat the genetic gifted dude who responds to gear much worse. I think that in strenght, you CAN try to just overdose on shit and get some good boost before your competition, if other guys who have better leverages and genetics just dont do drugs enough, while in beauty contests you cant drug up shit. Beautiful people are beautiful no matter what size and therefore genetics win. Its like with all the plus-size models - every fatty who says “but she looks good at 220lbs” forgets the fact that the model is exceptionally beautiful to begin with, and also has good genetics that most of her fat remains on her ass and tits while most other fatsos are just ugly and would remain ugly even if they lost the weight.
Its like when i was younger there was this dude who played WoW and he was a super nerd and then he started doing steroids and became this internet “sensation” - Zyzz. He inspired million guys to take tren and sniff coke, take photos in your underpants and live the party life.
Well - 99% of people who followed Zyzz never got what he had. Because… 1)He was a good looking dude no matter the muscle… 2)He was also decently tall. Point is - girls wanted him because he was tall, pretty face and white teeth. Muscle was just extra, but what guys learned from him was the other way around - they tought that just by getting muscle it will somehow change the fact that he is 5’5 and ugly as shit.
So i believe that if we take 2 types of people - genetics with bad gear response and good gear response with bad genetics, i believe that as far as looks go - genetics win… as far as strenght - you can TRY to beat genetics with right amounts of stuff before the meet… But that is also short term. If we look at strong people - they are born differently. Strongest dude i know in my gym has palms that are twice the size of mine. His bone structure is different and i believe his joints are also made to lift heavy. Even if ever reached his strenght while overdosing on tren and anadrol and halo, i would probably rip my shit off very soon, while he can just maintain and gain slowly forever. Look at Kaz or Magnus Ver - even when they are old, they are still HUGE. I believe that in strenght sports - its one thing to get an edge, but its genetics that allow you to not rip your stuff off after 1 year. There are tons of “internet freaks” and then there is Brian Shaw who has done shows year after year for a decade and that you cant do with drugs. Thats why i came off tren and dont worry about me being half as strong as i used to be - because im in this for the long run, and i am aiming to get 200lbs extra on my deadlift in 10 years, and not by next year because i rather gain my whole life a bit than reach my goal in a year and then fuck up my fragile tendons or joints and then never be able to lift again.
We have to understand tho, that anyone who wins anything has both - good genetics for his sport AND he reacts good to drugs.
hyaluronic acid, botox, diuretics, amphetamines, nicotine (anything to stunt appetite) etc.
Hank was specifically talking about Beauty muscle contests, like the Olympia I think.
But your point is valid when it comes to Instagram hoes. Literally every girl can now earn thousands of dollars every month if she invests a few thousand bucks in her tits, ass and face. Look at girls like Jen Selter or Angelika Andreeva, they were ugly 5s before the surgery and now they have millions of thirsty nerd followers because they show their naked body which a few years ago nobody wanted to see. Crazy times.
But the fact that its possible is only because of men who pay them for pictures even when there is a whole lot of free porn. I have never understood that. I was a tinder whore and also addicted to sex and porn like a degenerate but i still never paid for sex, or porn or pics.
It ain’t worth it man. Once you stop all your gains go. Easy come, easy go.
I think quality breast/glute implants cost considerably more.
Look into the costs of plastic surgery. Not cheap if done properly…
With onlyfans, instagram models and whatnot you can simp all over the girls. Internet pornography doesn’t grant someone that pathetic luxury.
I have found this to be SO TRUE and INCREDIBLY frustrating in life. The majority, not all, but the huge majority, of women appear to give zero fucks about muscle.
I think about the toothpicks that got all the girls when I was in high school and college. And I look at the scrawny men who all the most beautiful women in the world are with and I have always said to myself , “What the actual fuck?”
My biggest problem with this is that girls are learning it at waaay too young of an age. both my underage teenage daughters snap bikini pics of themselves and post them on the internet all the time. It drives me bananas, but my wife allows it. At 13, my sweet daughter has already learned to whore herself out to simps.
But Back on topic, this!!!
I had a friend in his school we called “monkey” because he looked exactly like one. I swear his mom slept with a gorilla at the zoo. Anyway, we were all bench pressing at my house one day our Senior year, and the “strongest” of us did a few reps with 225, sat up, let out a roar, and started flexing. Monkey came in to see what all the commotion was and we told him “Van just repped 225!” Monkey, with no warmup, says “Lemme try. Where should I be on the bench? Where should I grab the bar, here?” And then he proceeded to rep 225 easy. Then he tells me to load the bar with all the plates I had. It was a 300-pound set, I loaded everything. He laid back and repped 300 like it was nothing. With my shit genetics, it has taken me 20 years natty training and two cycles to get that strong. Dude did it with absolutely ZERO training experience. Genetics are everything.
Yeah, when i was super active on tinder i had mostly half naked pics of my abs, etc but actually when i met up with girls, all of them said that those pics actually were almost like a negative effect and that they only liked what i was writing.
For 90% of the girls i have been with, i was the first and/or only “bodybuilder” type of guy. Most of them said that if we would have met in real life, they would have never responded. They only got involved because it was from a distance and safe - via internet. Then, after talking, they got interested.
After that - yes, they all loved my body, but that is only AFTER they actually gave a shit about me as a person. Most of them would have liked me anyways,
Men love with eyes. Women love with ears. We will never understand that as we just are born to think differently but it is a fact, that the most beautiful girl can actually love some ugly dude, just because he has some traits that are important to her.
Its like - she sees him based on how he makes her feel and he becomes more beautiful in her eyes up to a point where she actually thinks he is good looking even if he is not.
For us its different - we will take more shit from a beautiful peace of ass than we would from an average looking girl. Just because she is hot, she somehow is a bit less annoying.
But you are like six foot two
Was that in your tinder bio?
Girls certainly care about that
Yes, my height actually was in my bio as the first line of info.
Idk how its around the world but in my backwards country females believe that guys learn to fight or go to the gym only to compensate something. So when a guy has a trained body, they assume he is below 5’9… Average female height here is like 5’6-5’7 and lots of em are above that… Many guys who train are like 5’5… so yea, in this place - to even be considered, it is better to just post your height up front.
Same as saying that you dont want one night stands even if you do. Most girls i slept with that only wanted sex, said that that is not what they want for the first date or two. This is also an idiotic thing our girls do - they act like they dont want sex until thats the only thing they want actually… And even if she is there just to fuck, if you write her up saying something sexual, you will just get banned.
So what you do is - post your height, and then some cool line that you are tired of one night stands or cheap women or something like that, yes…
Fixed it for you. Height is important when it comes to casual relations. In (most) western countries, looking healthy also matters. Not gigantic like a bodybuilder; but lean, toned and athletic.
Other things that matter
We aren’t talking about long term relationships here, we are talking about one night stands, casual sex etc
If, as a girl, you put in your bio “just Looking for sex” you will be bombarded with creeps, cringe inducing pickup lines… People generally showcasing disrespectful attitudes.
Most don’t want that, thus it’s easier to specify you “don’t want hookups” and suss it out from there.
What you’re stating is “the world would be a much easier place to navigate if people didn’t beat around the bush”
That’s an autistic mentality speaking… And I actually think it’s the correct mentality. If people were open and honest, didn’t beat around the bush so much people wouldn’t be strung along so much; only to remain disappointed, upset, angry and heartbroken.
Much easier (in most circumstances) to be blunt, to the point, potentially get what you want quickly… Or deal with rejection which fades rather quickly IF you haven’t spent months getting to know someone, negotiating a deal/transaction or whatever.
But that isn’t the paradigm we live in. Stigmas exist, engrained sociocultural norms are present. Breaking them tends to attract undue and unwanted attention. Therefore you can’t always be fully transparent about what you want.
Hope this makes sense.
On tinder? Really??? Tinder is rifle with fucked up people here.
Are you using bumble?