How Come We Never See Huge Zercher Lifts?

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[quote]Loudog75 wrote:

[quote]xjusticex2013x wrote:

On a more serious note, thanks a lot for the advice and nice compliments guys; I appreciate that. Never thought of doing zerchers with bands! And that guy who zerchered 650 from pins is one BAMF. As far as bicep tendons being at risk, well your discs are “at risk” too during round back deadlifting, but tell that to Bob Peoples or Kevin Nee. Some guys can get get by fine with it, others can’t. End of story. ;)[/quote]

Op - if that’s you in the video no offense was inteded by the 6’ 190 joke but its funny how these forums take a nose dive. This started out as a decent forum and then did a 180 after page 2. Open discussion, honest opinion and then it turns into - Say hello to the Bad Guy.
X - you can’t win. Heaven forbid you have an opinion on anything around here.
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Nah, that’s not me; I’m 5"9 & 190 w/ change. lol.

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The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line.

The Zercher Lift to a BBer is a zig-zag… a very poorly drawn zig-zag.

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LOL I’m thinking to myself what my life would be like if I felt the need to inform (in great detail), everyone I disagree with how much of an idiot they are.

Those of you who get this riled up must either be very young, or very short. Or possibly be gingers.

Prof X’s dumbass and stubborn opinion about zerchers is not in danger of monopolizing your own or anybody elses opinion, so relaaaaaax.

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[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
LOL I’m thinking to myself what my life would be like if I felt the need to inform (in great detail), everyone I disagree with how much of an idiot they are.

Those of you who get this riled up must either be very young, or very short. Or possibly be gingers.

Prof X’s dumbass and stubborn opinion about zerchers is not in danger of monopolizing your own or anybody elses opinion, so relaaaaaax.

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Short? lol

My preference against Zerchers is relevant to my experience. I tore my right bicep 6 years ago, so anything resembling a Zercher is like Krtyptonite to me.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
LOL I’m thinking to myself what my life would be like if I felt the need to inform (in great detail), everyone I disagree with how much of an idiot they are.

Those of you who get this riled up must either be very young, or very short. Or possibly be gingers.

Prof X’s dumbass and stubborn opinion about zerchers is not in danger of monopolizing your own or anybody elses opinion, so relaaaaaax.

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Short? lol

My preference against Zerchers is relevant to my experience. I tore my right bicep 6 years ago, so anything resembling a Zercher is like Krtyptonite to me.
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I’ve never seen you get riled up at anything, so no short man syndrome for you, regardless of actual height.

Heck I’m only 5’8 myself :slight_smile:

How did you tear your bicep?

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[quote]Quick Ben wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
LOL I’m thinking to myself what my life would be like if I felt the need to inform (in great detail), everyone I disagree with how much of an idiot they are.

Those of you who get this riled up must either be very young, or very short. Or possibly be gingers.

Prof X’s dumbass and stubborn opinion about zerchers is not in danger of monopolizing your own or anybody elses opinion, so relaaaaaax.

[/quote]

Short? lol

My preference against Zerchers is relevant to my experience. I tore my right bicep 6 years ago, so anything resembling a Zercher is like Krtyptonite to me.
[/quote]

I’ve never seen you get riled up at anything, so no short man syndrome for you, regardless of actual height.

Heck I’m only 5’8 myself :slight_smile:

How did you tear your bicep?
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Maybe you should ask why his response isn’t “dumbass and stubborn”…since both of us have injured our arms and both would avoid this exercise like the plague…yet explaining this makes me “dumbass and stubborn”?

LOL @ internet

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^^will you quite being dumbass and stubborn already?

EDIT: damnit push! Now my post isn’t nearly as funny (assuming it was funny in the first place. Obvi)

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[quote]gregron wrote:
^^will you quite being dumbass and stubborn already?[/quote]

How is push being a dumbass and stubborn?

Push I was having this same thought with my shoulder issues, I can only do front squat heavy with straps.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
^^will you quite being dumbass and stubborn already?[/quote]

How is push being a dumbass and stubborn?

Push I was having this same thought with my shoulder issues, I can only do front squat heavy with straps.[/quote]

I edited my post (not fast enough apparently) :slight_smile:

How do you like the front squats with straps? I’ve been meaning to try them ever since I saw them used in one of CT’s superhero program or whatever it is but I couldn’t find my straps (until last week)

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
^^will you quite being dumbass and stubborn already?[/quote]

How is push being a dumbass and stubborn?

Push I was having this same thought with my shoulder issues, I can only do front squat heavy with straps.[/quote]

I edited my post (not fast enough apparently) :slight_smile:

How do you like the front squats with straps? I’ve been meaning to try them ever since I saw them used in one of CT’s superhero program or whatever it is but I couldn’t find my straps (until last week)[/quote]

I have done FS for years with the straps, I do not have the wrist flexibility to rack it and it never feels stable with the arm cross method. Plus if you pull up with the straps helps keep your upper back straight for better form. I have done Z squats but with lighter weight, maybe time to add some heavy in to help with my pull.

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It’s cool to see the OP is making use of what he has and not making excuses for not working his lower body. He’ll have a good base to work with when he finally joins a gym.

Keep up the good work, op.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
LOL I’m thinking to myself what my life would be like if I felt the need to inform (in great detail), everyone I disagree with how much of an idiot they are.

Those of you who get this riled up must either be very young, or very short. Or possibly be gingers.

Prof X’s dumbass and stubborn opinion about zerchers is not in danger of monopolizing your own or anybody elses opinion, so relaaaaaax.

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Short? lol

My preference against Zerchers is relevant to my experience. I tore my right bicep 6 years ago, so anything resembling a Zercher is like Krtyptonite to me.
[/quote]

I’ve never seen you get riled up at anything, so no short man syndrome for you, regardless of actual height.

Heck I’m only 5’8 myself :slight_smile:

How did you tear your bicep?
[/quote]

Maybe you should ask why his response isn’t “dumbass and stubborn”…since both of us have injured our arms and both would avoid this exercise like the plague…yet explaining this makes me “dumbass and stubborn”?

LOL @ internet[/quote]

You didn’t injure your arms doing zerchers. Several of the posters in this thread do them with heavy ass weight. Coming in here to say that YOU can’t do them because you injured your biceps doing curls is pointless.

I can’t do conventional deadlifts without blowing out my low back… Yet I don’t go around sprouting off about how picking heavy shit off the floor is dangerous, because it’s obvious that if I have some problem that precludes me doing the exercise, then I shouldn’t be doing it.

If Iron Dwarf comes back to say that he indeed injured his biceps doing zerchers, well then we’ll have something to discuss.

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[quote]Quick Ben wrote:

You didn’t injure your arms doing zerchers. [/quote]

…and Iron Dwarf did?

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Several of the posters in this thread do them with heavy ass weight.[/quote]

Not the point since my point was THE ADDITION OF HEAVY ASS BICEPS TRAINING to the tune of upwards of 85lbs per hand.

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Coming in here to say that YOU can’t do them because you injured your biceps doing curls is pointless.[/quote]

? Why isn’t it pointless when Iron Dwarf just said it?

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I can’t do conventional deadlifts without blowing out my low back… Yet I don’t go around sprouting off about how picking heavy shit off the floor is dangerous, because it’s obvious that if I have some problem that precludes me doing the exercise, then I shouldn’t be doing it.

If Iron Dwarf comes back to say that he indeed injured his biceps doing zerchers, well then we’ll have something to discuss. [/quote]

Why would he have to say that? The point is, you called me “dumbass and stubborn” for effectively doing the exact same thing he did.

Why?

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[quote]Quick Ben wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
LOL I’m thinking to myself what my life would be like if I felt the need to inform (in great detail), everyone I disagree with how much of an idiot they are.

Those of you who get this riled up must either be very young, or very short. Or possibly be gingers.

Prof X’s dumbass and stubborn opinion about zerchers is not in danger of monopolizing your own or anybody elses opinion, so relaaaaaax.

[/quote]

Short? lol

My preference against Zerchers is relevant to my experience. I tore my right bicep 6 years ago, so anything resembling a Zercher is like Krtyptonite to me.
[/quote]

I’ve never seen you get riled up at anything, so no short man syndrome for you, regardless of actual height.

Heck I’m only 5’8 myself :slight_smile:

How did you tear your bicep?
[/quote]

Maybe you should ask why his response isn’t “dumbass and stubborn”…since both of us have injured our arms and both would avoid this exercise like the plague…yet explaining this makes me “dumbass and stubborn”?

LOL @ internet[/quote]

You didn’t injure your arms doing zerchers. Several of the posters in this thread do them with heavy ass weight. Coming in here to say that YOU can’t do them because you injured your biceps doing curls is pointless.

I can’t do conventional deadlifts without blowing out my low back… Yet I don’t go around sprouting off about how picking heavy shit off the floor is dangerous, because it’s obvious that if I have some problem that precludes me doing the exercise, then I shouldn’t be doing it.

If Iron Dwarf comes back to say that he indeed injured his biceps doing zerchers, well then we’ll have something to discuss. [/quote]

I did not injure the bicep doing Zerchers. However, that fact that the site of the injury is extremely close to where the bar makes contact, coupled with the arm being bent and taking a relatively large load makes the Zercher Lift a questionable one, especially when there are far better moves for accomplishing a specific goal.

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There is a reason I asked how Iron Dwarf injured his bicep. If it wasn’t by doing zerchers, then the fact that he can’t do them has now is not a point against zercher lifts. Much the same way as my bad low back is not a point against deadlifts.

I’d be surprised if those guys doing zerchers with 500+ for reps aren’t training their biceps directly and heavily, but then I can’t say for sure.

I hope that makes my opinion on the matter clear.

The dumbass and stubborn comment was tongue in cheek, which I thought would be clear from the general tone of my post. We are in GAL, remember?

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
LOL I’m thinking to myself what my life would be like if I felt the need to inform (in great detail), everyone I disagree with how much of an idiot they are.

Those of you who get this riled up must either be very young, or very short. Or possibly be gingers.

Prof X’s dumbass and stubborn opinion about zerchers is not in danger of monopolizing your own or anybody elses opinion, so relaaaaaax.

[/quote]

Short? lol

My preference against Zerchers is relevant to my experience. I tore my right bicep 6 years ago, so anything resembling a Zercher is like Krtyptonite to me.
[/quote]

I’ve never seen you get riled up at anything, so no short man syndrome for you, regardless of actual height.

Heck I’m only 5’8 myself :slight_smile:

How did you tear your bicep?
[/quote]

Maybe you should ask why his response isn’t “dumbass and stubborn”…since both of us have injured our arms and both would avoid this exercise like the plague…yet explaining this makes me “dumbass and stubborn”?

LOL @ internet[/quote]

You didn’t injure your arms doing zerchers. Several of the posters in this thread do them with heavy ass weight. Coming in here to say that YOU can’t do them because you injured your biceps doing curls is pointless.

I can’t do conventional deadlifts without blowing out my low back… Yet I don’t go around sprouting off about how picking heavy shit off the floor is dangerous, because it’s obvious that if I have some problem that precludes me doing the exercise, then I shouldn’t be doing it.

If Iron Dwarf comes back to say that he indeed injured his biceps doing zerchers, well then we’ll have something to discuss. [/quote]

I did not injure the bicep doing Zerchers. However, that fact that the site of the injury is extremely close to where the bar makes contact, coupled with the arm being bent and taking a relatively large load makes the Zercher Lift a questionable one, especially when there are far better moves for accomplishing a specific goal.

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Well I don’t want to type out the same points three times, but suffice to say I disagree. It’s a questionable lift for people with your specific injury, not a questionable lift altogether.

Still waiting to hear from someone who tore a bicep doing zerchers.

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[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
There is a reason I asked how Iron Dwarf injured his bicep. If it wasn’t by doing zerchers, then the fact that he can’t do them has now is not a point against zercher lifts. [/quote]

Yes it IS a point against them. Holding a large load in a static hold while performing the lift meant to target another bodypart (thereby taking the mind-focus away from the injury site) is a recipe for impending doom, IMHO.

Conversely, training a previously injured bodypart through a full range of motion on an exercise specifically for that part, and where the mind/bodypart connection is strong, is not only intelligent, but in contrast to the logic you’re trying to apply with your deadlift illustration.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

Yes it IS a point against them. Holding a large load in a static hold while performing the lift meant to target another bodypart (thereby taking the mind-focus away from the injury site) is a recipe for impending doom, IMHO.

Conversely, training a previously injured bodypart through a full range of motion on an exercise specifically for that part, and where the mind/bodypart connection is strong, is not only intelligent, but in contrast to the logic you’re trying to apply with your deadlift illustration.
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Wait, I need some clarification. Are you saying that it’s a recipe for impending doom for you specifically, or in general?

All I’m saying is that a personal pre-existing injury precluding your use of a particular lift, is not a point against that lift in general (people whose biceps are just fine). It’s the same point I made against the other guy, just without the word “dumbass.”