Aahhaha… well fuck me, that looked quite functional.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
ah HA! Pretending to be all gentlemanly and wanting this to come to an end, then throwing in this little bit of back handed smack. No no you are enjoying this too much and want it to continue.
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
I was wrong for dumping on the little dude in the video (which was not the op). I think we both apologized.
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And X has never sincerely apologized in his life. I don’t even need to read back to know this.[/quote]
Edge, I’ve rarely if ever seen ANYONE apologize on these forums. And why would any of us if we feel that what we’re saying is truth? Usually a thread will just cool down when points have been batted back and forth several times with no resolution.
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They don’t see themselves. They are too busy trying to critique me.
I am now wondering WHO in this thread has apologized about jack shit over the last year here.
Please raise your hands and give specifics.
Otherwise, shut the fuck up about it.
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Have you ever done any form of zercher lift?
Please raise your hand and give specifics.
Otherwise, shut the fuck up about it.[/quote]
LOL. I tried a zercher squat last night. Started with just the bar and then tried with one 45 on each side. It hurt the very part of my arm that used to be an issue for me and if doing them at all, would space them far apart from biceps training, ESPECIALLY if using weights in the range I listed before for direct biceps training. Why? Because the stronger you get on biceps (which was why a weight range of over 85lbs for dumbbell curls was even given, not to brag since I could do more than that) the more that tendon is at risk.
Bodybuilders need to be conscious of pec tears as well which is one reason I am one who recommends that the flat bench may need to be moved away from for bodybuilding purposes the stronger you get.
This is about longevity…and you are not speaking to an idiot or someone who is clueless about this shit. That is the ONLY reason I even mention my own progress at all…because I see very few here who went from a 95lbs weakling to where I’m at now.
If this pisses you off, so be it. I don’t care. I am proud of where I am and what I know up to this point…and acting like what I’ve written in this thread is wrong is bullshit.
I was discussing the person using very heavy weight for biceps curls…so as soon as one of you comes out and claims they DO curl more than 85lbs for reps 1-2 times or more every single week, then none of you are speaking from experience either.
Any more questions…dude?
Fucking yawn already. Go on and put each other on ignore.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Guaranteed if it were just li’l old me (and not X) making the arguments X has made in this thread, it wouldn’t have gone on for 11 fucking pages.
In a nutshell, no one here feels threatened by an Iron Dwarf.
lol
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Incorrect sir.
The real reason is because you do not come off like a belligerent asshole every single time you open your mouth.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]deat wrote:
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lol wut? is that a zercher top 1/8th squat from pins? [/quote]
Ur wrong!!! it’s a 2/15th zercher from pins!!!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. I tried a zercher squat last night.
Any more questions…dude?[/quote]
Just one - did your biceps tendon come flying off the bone like a runaway freight train??
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. I tried a zercher squat last night.
Any more questions…dude?[/quote]
Just one - did your biceps tendon come flying off the bone like a runaway freight train??[/quote]
Why would it when the risk in doing them is in ADDITION to extremely heavy direct biceps training? You know, I have stated this about a dozen times now in this thread.
Maybe you should read it.
URGENT UPDATE! PLEASE READ BEFORE ATTEMPTING A ZERCHER:
Ok so after my laptop, toilet to sink zercher waddle I mentioned earlier, I am having trouble using my right arm. I can barely type this out right now TBH. I’m using the ‘hunt and peck’ method… it pathetic
[quote]gregron wrote:
URGENT UPDATE! PLEASE READ BEFORE ATTEMPTING A ZERCHER:
Ok so after my laptop, toilet to sink zercher waddle I mentioned earlier, I am having trouble using my right arm. I can barely type this out right now TBH. I’m using the ‘hunt and peck’ method… it pathetic[/quote]
I told you. It fucked this man up for life!!
^^I LOLed
[quote]xjusticex2013x wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]xjusticex2013x wrote:
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
^^ X2 - what’s the value of the zercher unless you’re doing functional strongman training?
Even for strongman (i’m ignorant on strongman lifts) why do you need to go so heavy? How much weight would be the normal amount for say Stone Lifts?[/quote]
It’s a biceps tear waiting to happen.
I swear, it is like some people do shit just so no one calls them a bodybuilder. If the result of a 400lbs “zercher squat” is to look like the guy in that vid, I’ll really fucking pass.[/quote]
Why are you so jelly? Its obvious those Zerchers are what made the guy in the video so huge. If you really focus and eat right you too can be 6’ 190. [/quote]
So now zerchers make you skinny? lolwut?
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No, it is that if “400lbs” is the weight that someone like that can do, then 400lbs isn’t that fucking impressive.
Why would I do shit that leads to lesser progress in muscle growth?
It is a movement that serves little purpose unless specifically training for something with movements like that. So, again, why do people do shit that has such little return in terms of progress?
Oh, wait…that’s the function of most “functional” training…give people who don’t look like they lift seriously something to be proud of.
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I don’t have access to a rack and this is the only squat variation that I can push hard on; the only limiting factor is how much you can deadlift. Hypertrophy isn’t the goal for me, powerlifting is. Until I get to somewhere that does have a rack (I’m 16, so what my dad says has to go), this is the best I got, and it has been a major staple in my training. I do feel that these have been very beneficial to my leg strength and development, and they’re definitely better than nothing. As far as carryover to back squats, who knows? It will sure feel different, but if I can take a few hundred pounds, lift it off of the floor, bury it in my arms, and stand up with it (that sounds pretty “functional” to me, huh? lol 
), it’s not like moving the bar from there to my back is going to make a 400 lb zercher turn into a 200 lb BS. Is it optimal for my aspirations? No. Is it the best that I can do with what I have? I’d say so.
So that’s why I do these. I wouldn’t bother if I had a rack, but that isn’t the case, and I’ve never had any problems with them.
P.S. I do find that zercher to be pretty impressive, but to each his own.
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Back from quite a few pages but have you ever done a barbell hacksquat? You can do those straight from the floor with just a bar…
Not all that confortable but a decent variation to have in your arsenal with limited equipment…
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The average person working on physique development is training biceps and back alone once or twice a week
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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Most of the powerlifters and strongmen that I know (we’re talking high level amateurs and pros here, and I know quite a few) train their biceps with heavy weights at least once per week.
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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
The average person working on strength (and moreover, doing zerchers) is not training biceps once or twice a week. That ends your point, assuming you had one.
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wait so which is it? Are strongmen & powerlifters training their biceps weekly or not?[/quote]
You take two posts by two different people and you don’t expect two different answers? Wise ass.
I’ve never directly trained bis, unless you count chins, rows and variations thereof. I know lots of PLs that do not. I know PLs that do. TomatO Tomato. But you knew that.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]DoveofWar08 wrote:
In the end, exactly what happened to letting people train in thier own way and do thier own shit?? I mean, if you want to do zerchers, do zerchers. If not, then don’t. I guess live and let live just doesn’t exist on the internet.
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On the other hand, the arguments make a lot of points that anyone reading can pick and choose what makes sense and who they think is credible and make a better decision on their value. Since we have a few different people with different goals duking it out, you can see how it aligns with your own.[/quote]
This, along with what maraudermeat is why I’ve made an assload of posts in this thread.
Like MM said, no one knows who’s reading this, and it’s no surprise that many people take prof X’s word as gospel on a lot of things - I mean, he’s obviously a big dude - he just doesn’t know what he’s talkin about in this thread.
If I wasn’t here ‘defending’ the zercher lift and wasn’t pointing out how ridiculous it is for him to even begin to think that his opinion even remotely supported by basic facts, then there’s potential that said possible readers to completely dismiss zerchers when in reality, there’s no reason to.
There’s a term used for when “I’m bigger/stronger” is used as ‘proof’ that they’re right on a matter… it’s called ‘bro-knowledge’ and it’s the most ridiculous type of "knowledge"on the intarwebzzz.
Also, I PMed “stormthebeach” earlier and asked him to give his opinion on zerchers in this thread (while avoiding all the bullshit, obviously.) As the dude has proven himself to be one of the strongest people on this site, I’m really curious as to what he thinks of them.
Hopefully he’ll give his two cents. :/[/quote]
It seems beyond you to understand that there were people in this thread discussing PHYSIQUE DEVELOPMENT and not powerlifting and that the conversation we had about the effectiveness for PHYSIQUE DEVELOPMENT got rained down on by powerlifters acting like the thread is off limits to any other discussion.
Do you even understand this?
No one gives a flying shit if you like zerchers or want to do them. Not ONCE in this thread has anything I’ve written been in the vein of POWERLIFTING…so what the fuck are you talking about?
If you wanted a thread where ONLY powerlifters discussed this lift, it should have been in that fucking forum.
You don’tn even seem to understand the basics of what is going on…but keep up the good fight.
Defending zerchers? From whom? Since when have zerchers been the go to exercise of any routine working on building the most size possible?
You’ve talked shit now for pages…and for what? [/quote]
Again you’re wrong…not surprising. The title of the thread is self-explanatory. YOU are the only one that started a comment about the OP’s physique. I quoted it back to you. At least be accurate.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DoveofWar08 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The average person working on physique development is training biceps and back alone once or twice a week
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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Most of the powerlifters and strongmen that I know (we’re talking high level amateurs and pros here, and I know quite a few) train their biceps with heavy weights at least once per week.
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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
The average person working on strength (and moreover, doing zerchers) is not training biceps once or twice a week. That ends your point, assuming you had one.
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wait so which is it? Are strongmen & powerlifters training their biceps weekly or not?[/quote]
My guess is that you would need to ask them individually. For the most part, few people train in the exact same manner.[/quote]
yeah I agree that everyones training is different (obvi) but come on… who doesnt like to get their curl on every now and then? :)[/quote]
What I like is how PHYSIQUE DEVELOPMENT seems to not be noticed…as the others argue on and on.
I like how bodybuilding was mentioned to Loudog in my response to him ON THE FIRST FUCKING PAGE…but somehow this needed to be argued by powerlifters for pages as if that wasn’t written.
I like how several others have commented about how this wouild be less effective for bodybuilding…but not one of those people are being hounded like this for pages.
This is not a “powerlifting forum”. This is the fucking off topic forum. To act like the people have in this thread because of a tangent discussion about bodybuilding is fucking stupid.
Oh, and that was not the OP in the video.
It’s funny what you learn when you actually quote what was written…instead of making shit up like some do[/quote]
I quoted exactly what you wrote. You took a BACKHANDED slap at the OP’s physique and said no thanks to Zerchers.
It’s like me watching you do some BB hypertrophy movement for your back and sarcastically conclude, “if that’s the extent of his back strength, no thanks”.
Stop acting as if you don’t understand your that your 2nd comment in the thread was a shot at the OP and rude.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Tangents rule here…yet for me they are off base?[/quote]
Because you make the same tired strawmen and go off on the same tired tangents in every fucking thread you post in.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I really want to see you uphold that in every thread you post in from now on…just so you aren’t a hypocrite.[/quote]
Says the guy with an entire thread devoted to his stupid arguments and half-witted condescending self-talk.[/quote]
Oh Gawd…don’t tell him about strawmans.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
ah HA! Pretending to be all gentlemanly and wanting this to come to an end, then throwing in this little bit of back handed smack. No no you are enjoying this too much and want it to continue.
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
I was wrong for dumping on the little dude in the video (which was not the op). I think we both apologized.
[/quote]
And X has never sincerely apologized in his life. I don’t even need to read back to know this.[/quote]
Edge, I’ve rarely if ever seen ANYONE apologize on these forums. And why would any of us if we feel that what we’re saying is truth? Usually a thread will just cool down when points have been batted back and forth several times with no resolution.
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They don’t see themselves. They are too busy trying to critique me.
I am now wondering WHO in this thread has apologized about jack shit over the last year here.
Please raise your hands and give specifics.
Otherwise, shut the fuck up about it.
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I did. Was called out in a PM about a comment about Mormonism and not only apologized in the PM, but went back to the thread and apologized openly.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would it when the risk in doing them is in ADDITION to extremely heavy direct biceps training? You know, I have stated this about a dozen times now in this thread.
Maybe you should read it.[/quote]
Dude - lighten up. I’m just joking with you…
[quote]pushharder wrote:
FWIW, the benefits of front squats listed here: Fix Your Front Squat
The Zercher squat IS a front squat.
I can vouch for the “Increase depth achieved” point in the article. This has translated to better depth for me on back squats. In fact, I have “prepped” on back squat day by doing warmups with Zerchers.[/quote]
Push at what weight did you have to get sleeves? Under 200 pounds I dont have any pain or problem with Zerchers, but I havent tried heavier yet. What is your opinion? and since I am asking you questions at what age did you start doing them?