[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
As far as the non-competitive, I think that any time size is effecting quality of life (shortness of breath, general discomfort or the like) then that is too big.[/quote]
Truth be told…anyone with any real size on them went through periods like that…at least until their body adjusted to the new weight.
If “discomfort” is your line in the sand…there will be no more big people in the gym.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
But really, the question isn’t “what is ideal to you”…it is really just “what is TOO BIG”…FOR YOUR GIRL AND WHY?
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Because she’s Asian.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I think for me it has to do with proportions. From a bodybuilding standpoint, I think when the waist starts to get thick and you lose the Y in favor of the X. Most of the guys today I think are to big. Flex Wheeler comes to mind as the upper end of acceptable size for me. But that has as much to do with how he carried his muscle as anything. Of the more current pros, Shawn Roden may be my favorite proportioned contestant.
As far as the non-competitive, I think that any time size is effecting quality of life (shortness of breath, general discomfort or the like) then that is too big.[/quote]
I agree with this. I’d like to personally be as big as I possible can WHILE maintaining a trim waist. Obviously that limits size, just because few walk around at 275+ without the midsection to support that lol.
Something like this shape, but as big as possible is what I mean.
I don’t think theres a point where you’re ‘‘too big’’, however I assume that having to down so many calories to maintain a crazy size, probably gets cumbersome once you reach a certain point.
[quote]lumbahjack wrote:
I don’t think theres a point where you’re ‘‘too big’’, however I assume that having to down so many calories to maintain a crazy size, probably gets cumbersome once you reach a certain point.[/quote]
Shit, sometimes, you get tired of shoveling food in your mouth. I get like that now.
I think that is why focused on the “discomfort” comments. Honestly, to have the kind of size that people stare at, you will have some “discomfort” along the way…quite a bit of it in some cases.
Taking 5 shits a day can gt tiresome.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]lumbahjack wrote:
I don’t think theres a point where you’re ‘‘too big’’, however I assume that having to down so many calories to maintain a crazy size, probably gets cumbersome once you reach a certain point.[/quote]
Shit, sometimes, you get tired of shoveling food in your mouth. I get like that now.
I think that is why focused on the “discomfort” comments. Honestly, to have the kind of size that people stare at, you will have some “discomfort” along the way…quite a bit of it in some cases.
Taking 5 shits a day can gt tiresome.[/quote]
In your opinion, how big is too big?
Serious question.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
As far as the non-competitive, I think that any time size is effecting quality of life (shortness of breath, general discomfort or the like) then that is too big.[/quote]
Truth be told…anyone with any real size on them went through periods like that…at least until their body adjusted to the new weight.
If “discomfort” is your line in the sand…there will be no more big people in the gym.[/quote]
Yeah, I just think working out should be more focused on the improving quality of life and at some point size crosses that line. That’s the line I think is “Too Big” for the general population. That being said, that would put the line around about 210 for anyone less than 6’.
I respect that different people have different goals and that will change their perception of “too big/not big enough” but that’s just my opinion.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
As far as the non-competitive, I think that any time size is effecting quality of life (shortness of breath, general discomfort or the like) then that is too big.[/quote]
Truth be told…anyone with any real size on them went through periods like that…at least until their body adjusted to the new weight.
If “discomfort” is your line in the sand…there will be no more big people in the gym.[/quote]
Yeah, I just think working out should be more focused on the improving quality of life and at some point size crosses that line. That’s the line I think is “Too Big” for the general population. That being said, that would put the line around about 210 for anyone less than 6’.
I respect that different people have different goals and that will change their perception of “too big/not big enough” but that’s just my opinion.[/quote]
210 at low bodyfat below 6’ is a big guy, who most normal people would think was yoked.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
To me… “too big” is the point at which the negatives outweigh the positives. (No pun intended)[/quote]
Always…but you are willing to sacrifice for things you truly care about…so are those who do sacrifice more doing it wrong?[/quote]
Again, there’s no right or wrong here. “Acceptable” levels of sacrifice will vary person to person.
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Question…don’t many NFL players see the same?[/quote]
They do, but they usually have a 7 or 8-figure salary in their list of “positives” too. If somebody offered me $6 million and I’d probably start bulking tonight.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
to have the kind of size that people stare at[/quote]
Understand that that is “too big” to many, many people. If it’s not to you, cool. But it is to many, and it certainly is “too big” to society.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]lumbahjack wrote:
I don’t think theres a point where you’re ‘‘too big’’, however I assume that having to down so many calories to maintain a crazy size, probably gets cumbersome once you reach a certain point.[/quote]
Shit, sometimes, you get tired of shoveling food in your mouth. I get like that now.
I think that is why focused on the “discomfort” comments. Honestly, to have the kind of size that people stare at, you will have some “discomfort” along the way…quite a bit of it in some cases.
Taking 5 shits a day can gt tiresome.[/quote]
In your opinion, how big is too big?
Serious question.
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I personally would base it on medical condition alone…not even “fitness level”.
Public perception changes with time meaning it is illogical to base all your actions on it.
I think if you are with the right girl, i you want to be 300lbs and 6% body fat, if it isn’t killing you, she will be supportive of it…or you need to drop kick her.
If you have sleep apnea every night at 295lbs but don’t at 270lbs, you are “too big”.
Other than that, the question was asked to understand the world you all live in.
Do you allow others to dictate your perception of yourself and your own goals…or are you living for yourself and those you love alone.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
As far as the non-competitive, I think that any time size is effecting quality of life (shortness of breath, general discomfort or the like) then that is too big.[/quote]
Truth be told…anyone with any real size on them went through periods like that…at least until their body adjusted to the new weight.
If “discomfort” is your line in the sand…there will be no more big people in the gym.[/quote]
Yeah, I just think working out should be more focused on the improving quality of life and at some point size crosses that line. That’s the line I think is “Too Big” for the general population. That being said, that would put the line around about 210 for anyone less than 6’.
I respect that different people have different goals and that will change their perception of “too big/not big enough” but that’s just my opinion.[/quote]
210 at low bodyfat below 6’ is a big guy, who most normal people would think was yoked.[/quote]
No doubt, but I think that’s probably the line where size is maintained, with limited cost to mobility and general daily comfort. And obviously that would be on a sliding scale with decrease in height=decrease in weight.
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
to have the kind of size that people stare at[/quote]
Understand that that is “too big” to many, many people. If it’s not to you, cool. But it is to many, and it certainly is “too big” to society.[/quote]
I get stared at. I don’t consider myself “too big”.
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
They do, but they usually have a 7 or 8-figure salary in their list of “positives” too. If somebody offered me $6 million and I’d probably start bulking tonight.[/quote]
Good point.
But what if it improved your overall quality of life?
Even if it shortened it a little?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]lumbahjack wrote:
I don’t think theres a point where you’re ‘‘too big’’, however I assume that having to down so many calories to maintain a crazy size, probably gets cumbersome once you reach a certain point.[/quote]
Shit, sometimes, you get tired of shoveling food in your mouth. I get like that now.
I think that is why focused on the “discomfort” comments. Honestly, to have the kind of size that people stare at, you will have some “discomfort” along the way…quite a bit of it in some cases.
Taking 5 shits a day can gt tiresome.[/quote]
I think this could be answered from an aesthetic standpoint, and from a lifestyle standpoint.
For me, as far as the aesthetic standpoint ins concerned, there is no upper limit. If we’re considering this strictly in a vacuum, where I just get to be the size I want to be without the negatives that come with the bodybuilding lifestyle (food intake, fatigue, whatever), then make the fucking Incredible Hulk. Seriously. 600 lbs of muscle. Shit yes.
From a lifestyle point, I look to the greatest thinker, philosopher, and scholar of bodybuilding. Ronnie Coleman. Mr. Coleman once proclaimed “everybody wanna be a bodybuilder. Don’t nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weights.” Here’s the thing about people who post pictures on here that don’t look remotely like them. The truth is that’s not the person they want to be in real life, because of what it takes to be that person.
By and large, the population wants to be who they already are, otherwise they would be doing shit differently. But the discomforts that go along with becoming a massive mammal are too much. Whether it’s 90 shits per day, labored breathing, working around the law, the time commitment, whatever it is, it’s not something most are interested in.
Based on that, my own version of too big, would be around 220 lbs (give or take, this ain’t a science), at a similar bodyfat percentage of what I am now, because that’s close to the point where I believe the trade-offs would become unacceptable to me. As I approach that marker, this idea might change, but for now, that’s how I see it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]lumbahjack wrote:
I don’t think theres a point where you’re ‘‘too big’’, however I assume that having to down so many calories to maintain a crazy size, probably gets cumbersome once you reach a certain point.[/quote]
Shit, sometimes, you get tired of shoveling food in your mouth. I get like that now.
I think that is why focused on the “discomfort” comments. Honestly, to have the kind of size that people stare at, you will have some “discomfort” along the way…quite a bit of it in some cases.
Taking 5 shits a day can gt tiresome.[/quote]
In your opinion, how big is too big?
Serious question.
[/quote]
I personally would base it on medical condition alone…not even “fitness level”.
Public perception changes with time meaning it is illogical to base all your actions on it.
I think if you are with the right girl, i you want to be 300lbs and 6% body fat, if it isn’t killing you, she will be supportive of it…or you need to drop kick her.
If you have sleep apnea every night at 295lbs but don’t at 270lbs, you are “too big”.
Other than that, the question was asked to understand the world you all live in.
Do you allow others to dictate your perception of yourself and your own goals…or are you living for yourself and those you love alone.[/quote]
Thanks for the response…I would agree.
The opinions of the masses of course will vary greatly, but if the individual is happy…fuck um’.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]lumbahjack wrote:
I don’t think theres a point where you’re ‘‘too big’’, however I assume that having to down so many calories to maintain a crazy size, probably gets cumbersome once you reach a certain point.[/quote]
Shit, sometimes, you get tired of shoveling food in your mouth. I get like that now.
I think that is why focused on the “discomfort” comments. Honestly, to have the kind of size that people stare at, you will have some “discomfort” along the way…quite a bit of it in some cases.
Taking 5 shits a day can gt tiresome.[/quote]
Thats the worst feeling. Eating b/c you ‘‘have’’ to. I know a guys who smoke weed just so they can eat.
Another thing I think that needs consideration is what kind of ‘‘BIG’’ you’re talking about. Staying at a not-so-lean 300lbs may be hard b/c you still gotta eat the food but you are much more free in your food choices than someone who is a lean 300lbs.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I personally would base it on medical condition alone…not even “fitness level”.
Public perception changes with time meaning it is illogical to base all your actions on it.
I think if you are with the right girl, i you want to be 300lbs and 6% body fat, if it isn’t killing you, she will be supportive of it…or you need to drop kick her.
If you have sleep apnea every night at 295lbs but don’t at 270lbs, you are “too big”.
Other than that, the question was asked to understand the world you all live in.
Do you allow others to dictate your perception of yourself and your own goals…or are you living for yourself and those you love alone.[/quote]
I think that is a good way of looking at it. I suppose the size that constitutes “too big” is unique to every individual, depending on health and quality of life needs.
I strive for my own goals regardless of the perception of others, I refuse to let others dictate them. However, my goal is not to get to mammoth proportions, so I probably don’t encounter those with negative perceptions as often as the bigger guys on here.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Do you allow others to dictate your perception of yourself and your own goals…or are you living for yourself and those you love alone.
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For me, working out is a combination of staying in semi-decent athletic shape and to look good without my shirt on for my wife and for myself (I am a little vain).
If I gain to much size it effects my speed, endurance, and mobility, and that puts a damper on my abilities in pick-up games and church league softball so that would be too big. However, I think I have 200-205 @ 10% in me before any of that happens so that’s my goal. I have been to 195 at that bodyfat level and I think a little more would be doable. Right now I am a skinny fat bastard though so I have a long way to go.
