How Big is Too Big?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]The Rattler wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]pwolves17 wrote:
What’s the point of this thread? It seems to be just a platform for X to make sure no one has forgotten that he wants to get as big as humanly possible…point taken![/quote]

I don’t want to be as big as humanly possible.

No offense, but why do some of you only seem to post to discuss how much you don’;t like me posting?

This thread is about the concept of what is “too big” and why.

If you can’t participate, please save us more posts about how much you just don’t like me.

I don’t care…and it seems many more don’t also.

Nice posts from the rest of you though and thank you for keeping this thread on track.[/quote]

How big do you want to be? Could you give a picture as an example or post stats?

EDIT: And what do you think you need to get there?[/quote]

I just said in the other thread that Maxx Charles was ideal to me…so in effect, something along those lines is my goal. Whether I actually reach it or not is irrelevant.

I have never said my goal was to be as big as humanly possible.

I like where I am at now but am working on just a little more size without adding too much more body fat in the process.[/quote]

Are you going to change diet/training to add that lean muscle? If so how? Genuinely interested as you’re clearly an advanced lifter.

Without starting an argument on whether leaner is better when will you feel like you’re ready to lean down? Obviously Max Charles is very lean in both off season and competition mode so was wondering if that is part of your plan to get that look that you’re aiming for.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:
This to me is about ideal, Dan Green one of the best powerlifters to ever live…also an amazing physique.

The density is unreal.

I believe he is around 230-240 here.

Dez would know better than me.[/quote]

I’ve never seen this dude, but that’s around the limit for me. It’s plenty big but dude is ripped too. I wouldn’t want to get so big that I couldn’t enjoy activities like playing basketball. I’ve been 250 before and my knees would ache for days after playing a few games. At 220, I could play a couple hours a few days week. My knees are still sore, but nowhere near the soreness I had at 240+. My orthopedist said it doesn’t matter to the knees whether the weight is muscle or fat. So even hypothetically at a ripped 6’ 250 I would still have issues.

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[quote]The Rattler wrote:

Are you going to change diet/training to add that lean muscle? If so how? Genuinely interested as you’re clearly an advanced lifter.

Without starting an argument on whether leaner is better when will you feel like you’re ready to lean down? Obviously Max Charles is very lean in both off season and competition mode so was wondering if that is part of your plan to get that look that you’re aiming for.
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I am about as “fat” as I want to be right now…which is leaner than I have ever been at this body weight. I am not worried about EVER being in contest shape so I am not interested in being ready to get that lean.

I will get leaner, but getting below 8% is a non-issue for me.

I don’t need to “change” my diet. I have already gained weight over the last few months. I will just keep doing what I have been.

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You’re too big when you have to ask yourself if you’ll fit in a car before you buy it

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You’re too big when you can only fit in the backseat with one other person

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I think that the ‘3lbs per inch’ benchmark that I’ve seen posted in various threads is ‘too big’ for me. I couldn’t imagine being 94kg at 5’9 at my current level of leanness.

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You’re too big when, upon falling from a great height, you can use your lats to glide to safety

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[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
You’re too big when, upon falling from a great height, you can use your lats to glide to safety[/quote]

Coffee all over screen

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[quote]DanielDJ wrote:
I think that the ‘3lbs per inch’ benchmark that I’ve seen posted in various threads is ‘too big’ for me. I couldn’t imagine being 94kg at 5’9 at my current level of leanness.[/quote]

210 lean (10-12%) at 5’9/5’10 would look sick. It’s probably my ultimate goal as something to maintain but I’d happily be a bit heavier depending on my look at that stage.

Too big for me would be where I start having issues with general athleticism. If I couldn’t finish a full game of rugby with my schools old boys team or my uni team without my knees hurting then I’d be too big.

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Typical thread is typical.

So lets re cap here:
Natural vs assisted? CHECK
80 pound muscle gain? CHECK
Hard to find clothes? CHECK
“Limits”? CHECK
Reading comprehension questioning? CHECK
“I’m right cause CT kinda agreed with me”? CHECK
“If you are lifting for girls then…”? CHECK
“Professor X is fat”? CHECK
Top weights/set points discussion? CHECK
Ego stroking? CHECK

All we need is a mini race war and this thread will have all the T Nat essentials.

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Isn’t there an article on elite fts about knowing when you are huge. If I remember correctly it was funny

Also to those that think you can’t get damn big and be athletic, powerful ect. Strongman competitors I think are the poster boys (giants) for that. They are jacked. Strong, powerful, have endurance, flexibility pretty damn well rounded I would say.

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Well actually on topic. I’m 6’3" and contingent on staying natty I’d say 220@ 10% (or even leaner) would be something I’m shooting for. But I really enjoy powerlifting and to hit some of the numbers I want (have a few lofty goals) I might have to weigh considerably more than that. If I’d ever hit 250 without being a fatass (idk I’ll say under 18% bf) I’d be ok with that if that’s what’s needed to hit some of the numbers I want.

either of these goals will take years to accomplish and many gaining/leaning down phases.

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Meh, I think X has been pretty tame in this thread. He didn’t really bring up the assisted vs unassisted or the limit stuff. I thought this was a pretty good discussion. What I’ve learned is that there are three major sub categories of “too big”:

  1. When it interferes with daily living. (sleeping, moving, buying stuff etc)
  2. When it interferes with another goal and causes you to put said goal on the back burner (speed, flexibility, agility)
  3. Too big is when YOU fucking say you’re too big…and you are never gonna say that.

Any additions?

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Isn’t there an article on elite fts about knowing when you are huge. If I remember correctly it was funny

Also to those that think you can’t get damn big and be athletic, powerful ect. Strongman competitors I think are the poster boys (giants) for that. They are jacked. Strong, powerful, have endurance, flexibility pretty damn well rounded I would say. [/quote]

I agree that they are extremely athletic, however I think you have to have the right frame to support that kind of structure and maintain athleticism. I don’t think everyone is capable of gaining that size and maintaining athleticism. Purely speculation on my part though.

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[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
You’re too big when, upon falling from a great height, you can use your lats to glide to safety[/quote]

sounds to me like this is just big enough!

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[quote]setto222 wrote:
Meh, I think X has been pretty tame in this thread. He didn’t really bring up the assisted vs unassisted or the limit stuff. I thought this was a pretty good discussion. What I’ve learned is that there are three major sub categories of “too big”:

  1. When it interferes with daily living. (sleeping, moving, buying stuff etc)
  2. When it interferes with another goal and causes you to put said goal on the back burner (speed, flexibility, agility)
  3. Too big is when YOU fucking say you’re too big…and you are never gonna say that.

Any additions? [/quote]

That is a pretty accurate list I think.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Isn’t there an article on elite fts about knowing when you are huge. If I remember correctly it was funny

Also to those that think you can’t get damn big and be athletic, powerful ect. Strongman competitors I think are the poster boys (giants) for that. They are jacked. Strong, powerful, have endurance, flexibility pretty damn well rounded I would say. [/quote]

I agree that they are extremely athletic, however I think you have to have the right frame to support that kind of structure and maintain athleticism. I don’t think everyone is capable of gaining that size and maintaining athleticism. Purely speculation on my part though.[/quote]

True I think about the frame and being athletic.

I also think people can push their size higher than they think and keep being damn athletic. It just takes me more work and not everyone likes to really push the limits.

Side note. Look at AV at 250 or more he can still do a standing backflip. Pretty crazy. At any weight I couldn’t do it lol

But I

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Isn’t there an article on elite fts about knowing when you are huge. If I remember correctly it was funny

Also to those that think you can’t get damn big and be athletic, powerful ect. Strongmen competitors I think are the poster boys (giants) for that. They are jacked. Strong, powerful, have endurance, flexibility pretty damn well rounded I would say. [/quote]

I agree that they are extremely athletic, however I think you have to have the right frame to support that kind of structure and maintain athleticism. I don’t think everyone is capable of gaining that size and maintaining athleticism. Purely speculation on my part though.[/quote]

Lol jbpick86 I don’t want you to think I’m stalking you haha I just happen to 100% agree with everything you’ve written in this thread. I think we are on the same page on this issue.

I completely agree that strongmen have an awe-inspiring combination of many athletic qualities, but I just feel that you have to be blessed with a massive frame to get to their level.

Also, I don’t think many strongmen have the longer distance endurance abilities that I’d personally like. I really enjoying going for long hikes, and I think that dragging 300lbs+ over several mountains in a day wouldn’t be fun. Just my personal preference, but that is something important that I factor into my own goals.

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Isn’t there an article on elite fts about knowing when you are huge. If I remember correctly it was funny

Also to those that think you can’t get damn big and be athletic, powerful ect. Strongman competitors I think are the poster boys (giants) for that. They are jacked. Strong, powerful, have endurance, flexibility pretty damn well rounded I would say. [/quote]

I agree that they are extremely athletic, however I think you have to have the right frame to support that kind of structure and maintain athleticism. I don’t think everyone is capable of gaining that size and maintaining athleticism. Purely speculation on my part though.[/quote]

True I think about the frame and being athletic.

I also think people can push their size higher than they think and keep being damn athletic. It just takes me more work and not everyone likes to really push the limits.

Side note. Look at AV at 250 or more he can still do a standing backflip. Pretty crazy. At any weight I couldn’t do it lol

But I[/quote]

Yeah, that’s insane. Which I never have had great coordination when it came to gymnastics movements like that. It took me three years to pull a backflip on a wakeboard after I started trying to learn one and you even have a little momentum to help you out there. I cant get over the losing my nerve halfway through and trying to bail out.

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[quote]furo wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Isn’t there an article on elite fts about knowing when you are huge. If I remember correctly it was funny

Also to those that think you can’t get damn big and be athletic, powerful ect. Strongmen competitors I think are the poster boys (giants) for that. They are jacked. Strong, powerful, have endurance, flexibility pretty damn well rounded I would say. [/quote]

I agree that they are extremely athletic, however I think you have to have the right frame to support that kind of structure and maintain athleticism. I don’t think everyone is capable of gaining that size and maintaining athleticism. Purely speculation on my part though.[/quote]

Lol jbpick86 I don’t want you to think I’m stalking you haha I just happen to 100% agree with everything you’ve written in this thread. I think we are on the same page on this issue.

I completely agree that strongmen have an awe-inspiring combination of many athletic qualities, but I just feel that you have to be blessed with a massive frame to get to their level.

Also, I don’t think many strongmen have the longer distance endurance abilities that I’d personally like. I really enjoying going for long hikes, and I think that dragging 300lbs+ over several mountains in a day wouldn’t be fun. Just my personal preference, but that is something important that I factor into my own goals.
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Yeah as a hunter, I will sometimes several miles of walking, stalking, occasionally jogging if I have to, sometimes crawling and climbing on a days hunt (this is mostly for turkeys) so I can definite feel your pain on the extra weight.

And no worries about the stalking. I am pretty sure I have x2’d some of your answers at different points in this thread. Plus its always nice to be agreed with ha.