How Big Can You Get Naturally?

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[quote]Guardian58 wrote:

Which is why you use drug tested guys of today and then you look at the guys who were competing before drugs and you see that they numbers are virtually the same. [/quote]

Wrong, doofus…because that alone implies that no one who does not compete in natural events could ever have better genetics than them. You could very well be overlooking the guys who had genetics to get bigger than some BUTT CEILING but who decided to use anabolics.

I am truly in awe that this had to explained to you. It shows that you aren’t after truth at all.

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[quote]Guardian58 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:
OMG this was already explained and you still don’t get it.

You’re comparing BODYBUILDERS. No one gives a shit what some professional football or rugby player does. Far as I know, there aren’t any pro football or baseball or basketball players posting on here are there? No. But you do have competing natural bodybuilders. So taking guys who MIGHT have gone into a particular area had more money been involved is galactically stupid. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we’d all have a merry Christmas.

The fact that you don’t get this proves how little you actually understand. Yes, there have been pro football players who later go into bodybuilding. Why? Because they had the genetics to build muscle and lose fat at a greater rate than average. Do you really believe that someone can make some limit FOR ALL HUMAN FUCKING BEINGS as far as muscle growth while ignoring the gigantic and strong people who have become pro football players over the last 60 years or more?

Are you really this slow about this?

You are mutantly retarded.

Tell me what natural guy that has exceeded all of the numbers that were discussed for natural bodybuilders here, that came from another sport? 1 fucking example.

How would you or anyone else know who has ever used any type of anabolic? Even drug tests don’t prove whether someone has EVER used anything…making some attempt to prove something to you a waste of time. It doesn’t matter…except to those who want to believe they have no choice but to make minimal progress.

Which is why you use drug tested guys of today and then you look at the guys who were competing before drugs and you see that they numbers are virtually the same. If you don’t know if a guy used or not you throw him out.

Second, if someone here can surpass Reg Park then PROVE IT. Because I am reading bullshit like what you wrote here but I don’t see anything of substance. More talk, no proof.

“I’m going to be huge bro! 250 ripped naturally. No one can tell me it aint possible.”

“Your’e right bro. Don’t let those calculators tell you what you can or can’t do bro. Get swole.”

:::::rolls eyes::::::[/quote]

Dude, you want to blow Reg Park. We get it.

But the truth is that he’s dead. And blowing dead guys is gross. Let it go.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:

Which is why you use drug tested guys of today and then you look at the guys who were competing before drugs and you see that they numbers are virtually the same.

Wrong, doofus…because that alone implies that no one who does not compete in natural events could ever have better genetics than them. You could very well be overlooking the guys who had genetics to get bigger than some BUT CEILING but who decided to use anabolics.

I am truly in awe that this had to explained to you. It shows that you aren’t after truth at all.
[/quote]

I’m after proof. Put some money where your mouth is. If it’s possible, show it. I see a bunch of loud mouths talking about what they are going to do or how easy it is but I don’t see anything. You’re one of em fat boy.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:
OMG this was already explained and you still don’t get it.

You’re comparing BODYBUILDERS. No one gives a shit what some professional football or rugby player does. Far as I know, there aren’t any pro football or baseball or basketball players posting on here are there? No. But you do have competing natural bodybuilders. So taking guys who MIGHT have gone into a particular area had more money been involved is galactically stupid. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we’d all have a merry Christmas.

The fact that you don’t get this proves how little you actually understand. Yes, there have been pro football players who later go into bodybuilding. Why? Because they had the genetics to build muscle and lose fat at a greater rate than average. Do you really believe that someone can make some limit FOR ALL HUMAN FUCKING BEINGS as far as muscle growth while ignoring the gigantic and strong people who have become pro football players over the last 60 years or more?

Are you really this slow about this?

You are mutantly retarded.

Tell me what natural guy that has exceeded all of the numbers that were discussed for natural bodybuilders here, that came from another sport? 1 fucking example.

How would you or anyone else know who has ever used any type of anabolic? Even drug tests don’t prove whether someone has EVER used anything…making some attempt to prove something to you a waste of time. It doesn’t matter…except to those who want to believe they have no choice but to make minimal progress.

Which is why you use drug tested guys of today and then you look at the guys who were competing before drugs and you see that they numbers are virtually the same. If you don’t know if a guy used or not you throw him out.

Second, if someone here can surpass Reg Park then PROVE IT. Because I am reading bullshit like what you wrote here but I don’t see anything of substance. More talk, no proof.

“I’m going to be huge bro! 250 ripped naturally. No one can tell me it aint possible.”

“Your’e right bro. Don’t let those calculators tell you what you can or can’t do bro. Get swole.”

:::::rolls eyes::::::

Dude, you want to blow Reg Park. We get it.

But the truth is that he’s dead. And blowing dead guys is gross. Let it go. [/quote]

And you couldn’t carry my jock on my worst day. I got it. Go hate somewhere else fucktard.

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[quote]Guardian58 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:

Which is why you use drug tested guys of today and then you look at the guys who were competing before drugs and you see that they numbers are virtually the same.

Wrong, doofus…because that alone implies that no one who does not compete in natural events could ever have better genetics than them. You could very well be overlooking the guys who had genetics to get bigger than some BUT CEILING but who decided to use anabolics.

I am truly in awe that this had to explained to you. It shows that you aren’t after truth at all.

I’m after proof. Put some money where your mouth is. If it’s possible, show it. I see a bunch of loud mouths talking about what they are going to do or how easy it is but I don’t see anything. You’re one of em fat boy.
[/quote]

You have nothing of yourself up for critique but seem to love critiquing everyone else. I am betting this “fat boy” is bigger and stronger than you. Show me first that you are even worth my time.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:

Which is why you use drug tested guys of today and then you look at the guys who were competing before drugs and you see that they numbers are virtually the same.

Wrong, doofus…because that alone implies that no one who does not compete in natural events could ever have better genetics than them. You could very well be overlooking the guys who had genetics to get bigger than some BUT CEILING but who decided to use anabolics.

I am truly in awe that this had to explained to you. It shows that you aren’t after truth at all.

I’m after proof. Put some money where your mouth is. If it’s possible, show it. I see a bunch of loud mouths talking about what they are going to do or how easy it is but I don’t see anything. You’re one of em fat boy.

You have nothing of yourself up for critique but seem to love critiquing everyone else. I am betting this “fat boy” is bigger and stronger than you. Show me first that you are even worth my time.[/quote]

It’s certainly possible that you weigh more than me. You’ve got rolling hills of fat, I’ll give you that. But it doesn’t really relate to the topic at hand now does it? Second, gym lifts don’t mean shit to me. As noted I’ll link up my meet total in December where I should total elite or be very close to it.

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[quote]Guardian58 wrote:

And you couldn’t carry my jock on my worst day. I got it. Go hate somewhere else fucktard.[/quote]

LOL. I go mow my lawn and the faceless are still putting down others from the safety of anonymity.

How insecure are you that putting people down on the internet makes you feel good inside?

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[quote]Guardian58 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:

Which is why you use drug tested guys of today and then you look at the guys who were competing before drugs and you see that they numbers are virtually the same.

Wrong, doofus…because that alone implies that no one who does not compete in natural events could ever have better genetics than them. You could very well be overlooking the guys who had genetics to get bigger than some BUT CEILING but who decided to use anabolics.

I am truly in awe that this had to explained to you. It shows that you aren’t after truth at all.

I’m after proof. Put some money where your mouth is. If it’s possible, show it. I see a bunch of loud mouths talking about what they are going to do or how easy it is but I don’t see anything. You’re one of em fat boy.

You have nothing of yourself up for critique but seem to love critiquing everyone else. I am betting this “fat boy” is bigger and stronger than you. Show me first that you are even worth my time.

It’s certainly possible that you weigh more than me. You’ve got rolling hills of fat, I’ll give you that. But it doesn’t really relate to the topic at hand now does it? Second, gym lifts don’t mean shit to me. As noted I’ll link up my meet total in December where I should total elite or be very close to it. [/quote]

What the fuck does December have to do with right now? Who the fuck are you? Where are your pictures? Why the hell should anyone here go out of their way to prove something to a fucking ghost who has nothing up for critique themselves?

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[quote]Guardian58 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:
OMG this was already explained and you still don’t get it.

You’re comparing BODYBUILDERS. No one gives a shit what some professional football or rugby player does. Far as I know, there aren’t any pro football or baseball or basketball players posting on here are there? No. But you do have competing natural bodybuilders. So taking guys who MIGHT have gone into a particular area had more money been involved is galactically stupid. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we’d all have a merry Christmas.

The fact that you don’t get this proves how little you actually understand. Yes, there have been pro football players who later go into bodybuilding. Why? Because they had the genetics to build muscle and lose fat at a greater rate than average. Do you really believe that someone can make some limit FOR ALL HUMAN FUCKING BEINGS as far as muscle growth while ignoring the gigantic and strong people who have become pro football players over the last 60 years or more?

Are you really this slow about this?

You are mutantly retarded.

Tell me what natural guy that has exceeded all of the numbers that were discussed for natural bodybuilders here, that came from another sport? 1 fucking example.

How would you or anyone else know who has ever used any type of anabolic? Even drug tests don’t prove whether someone has EVER used anything…making some attempt to prove something to you a waste of time. It doesn’t matter…except to those who want to believe they have no choice but to make minimal progress.

Which is why you use drug tested guys of today and then you look at the guys who were competing before drugs and you see that they numbers are virtually the same. If you don’t know if a guy used or not you throw him out.

Second, if someone here can surpass Reg Park then PROVE IT. Because I am reading bullshit like what you wrote here but I don’t see anything of substance. More talk, no proof.

“I’m going to be huge bro! 250 ripped naturally. No one can tell me it aint possible.”

“Your’e right bro. Don’t let those calculators tell you what you can or can’t do bro. Get swole.”

:::::rolls eyes::::::

Dude, you want to blow Reg Park. We get it.

But the truth is that he’s dead. And blowing dead guys is gross. Let it go.

And you couldn’t carry my jock on my worst day. I got it. Go hate somewhere else fucktard.[/quote]

Don’t be jealous of my sweet halloween mask.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:

Which is why you use drug tested guys of today and then you look at the guys who were competing before drugs and you see that they numbers are virtually the same.

Wrong, doofus…because that alone implies that no one who does not compete in natural events could ever have better genetics than them. You could very well be overlooking the guys who had genetics to get bigger than some BUT CEILING but who decided to use anabolics.

I am truly in awe that this had to explained to you. It shows that you aren’t after truth at all.

I’m after proof. Put some money where your mouth is. If it’s possible, show it. I see a bunch of loud mouths talking about what they are going to do or how easy it is but I don’t see anything. You’re one of em fat boy.

You have nothing of yourself up for critique but seem to love critiquing everyone else. I am betting this “fat boy” is bigger and stronger than you. Show me first that you are even worth my time.

It’s certainly possible that you weigh more than me. You’ve got rolling hills of fat, I’ll give you that. But it doesn’t really relate to the topic at hand now does it? Second, gym lifts don’t mean shit to me. As noted I’ll link up my meet total in December where I should total elite or be very close to it.

What the fuck does December have to do with right now? Who the fuck are you? Where are your pictures? Why the hell should anyone here go out of their way to prove something to a fucking ghost who has nothing up for critique themselves?[/quote]

Well uh, Casey has pics up and stats up and no one proved anything to him either. So would putting up my pics and links to my meet stats change anything? No.

The fact is, none of you can surpass what the calculator says. Yet you all beat your chests about how it can’t be true and about how you will surpass it. Putting up my pic and totals won’t change any of that. you bitches are all full of hot air.

I win, and I’m done.

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[quote]Guardian58 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:

Which is why you use drug tested guys of today and then you look at the guys who were competing before drugs and you see that they numbers are virtually the same.

Wrong, doofus…because that alone implies that no one who does not compete in natural events could ever have better genetics than them. You could very well be overlooking the guys who had genetics to get bigger than some BUT CEILING but who decided to use anabolics.

I am truly in awe that this had to explained to you. It shows that you aren’t after truth at all.

I’m after proof. Put some money where your mouth is. If it’s possible, show it. I see a bunch of loud mouths talking about what they are going to do or how easy it is but I don’t see anything. You’re one of em fat boy.

You have nothing of yourself up for critique but seem to love critiquing everyone else. I am betting this “fat boy” is bigger and stronger than you. Show me first that you are even worth my time.

It’s certainly possible that you weigh more than me. You’ve got rolling hills of fat, I’ll give you that. But it doesn’t really relate to the topic at hand now does it? Second, gym lifts don’t mean shit to me. As noted I’ll link up my meet total in December where I should total elite or be very close to it.

What the fuck does December have to do with right now? Who the fuck are you? Where are your pictures? Why the hell should anyone here go out of their way to prove something to a fucking ghost who has nothing up for critique themselves?

Well uh, Casey has pics up and stats up and no one proved anything to him either. So would putting up my pics and links to my meet stats change anything? No.

The fact is, none of you can surpass what the calculator says. Yet you all beat your chests about how it can’t be true and about how you will surpass it. Putting up my pic and totals won’t change any of that. you bitches are all full of hot air.

I win, and I’m done.[/quote]

Here lets compromise. You walk upstairs. Ask your mom politely to take 5 minutes from preparing a nice sunday meal. Request that she come down to your ‘lair’ and vouch for you on the internet. Don’t lie to us though, that’s not fair.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:

Which is why you use drug tested guys of today and then you look at the guys who were competing before drugs and you see that they numbers are virtually the same.

Wrong, doofus…because that alone implies that no one who does not compete in natural events could ever have better genetics than them. You could very well be overlooking the guys who had genetics to get bigger than some BUT CEILING but who decided to use anabolics.

I am truly in awe that this had to explained to you. It shows that you aren’t after truth at all.

I’m after proof. Put some money where your mouth is. If it’s possible, show it. I see a bunch of loud mouths talking about what they are going to do or how easy it is but I don’t see anything. You’re one of em fat boy.

You have nothing of yourself up for critique but seem to love critiquing everyone else. I am betting this “fat boy” is bigger and stronger than you. Show me first that you are even worth my time.

It’s certainly possible that you weigh more than me. You’ve got rolling hills of fat, I’ll give you that. But it doesn’t really relate to the topic at hand now does it? Second, gym lifts don’t mean shit to me. As noted I’ll link up my meet total in December where I should total elite or be very close to it.

What the fuck does December have to do with right now? Who the fuck are you? Where are your pictures? Why the hell should anyone here go out of their way to prove something to a fucking ghost who has nothing up for critique themselves?

Well uh, Casey has pics up and stats up and no one proved anything to him either. So would putting up my pics and links to my meet stats change anything? No.

The fact is, none of you can surpass what the calculator says. Yet you all beat your chests about how it can’t be true and about how you will surpass it. Putting up my pic and totals won’t change any of that. you bitches are all full of hot air.

I win, and I’m done.

Here lets compromise. You walk upstairs. Ask your mom politely to take 5 minutes from preparing a nice sunday meal. Request that she come down to your ‘lair’ and vouch for you on the internet. Don’t lie to us though, that’s not fair. [/quote]

Sure thing “big guy”.

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Not going to get involved in this argument, but if you think Reg Park was natural, and you’re using him as a base for comparisons, then you may as well give up now.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
200 on 5’9’’ - 5’10’’ with single digit bodyfat is a great physique. The thing is that most peoples underestimate what 8% looks like. Some peoples begin to see some abs and some veins and immediately think that they are 10%!

A TRUE 8% is VERY close to a bodybuilding competition shape. On the picture attached I am 208 (I’m 5’8’') at 7.5% body fat (one of the rare times I had my BF calculated).

So 200lbs at 8% on 5’9’’ - 5’10’’ is nothing to sneeze at and is in fact a very challenging goal to achieve. Not many peoples will actually reach that level.

BUT that is not to say that it’s IMPOSSIBLE to get bigger at a similar degree of body fat. I knew a guy in high school, I played football with him, he was 180lbs on 5’7’’ and absolutely devoid of any body fat (he was under 8% without a doubt). Did he take steroids? Heck, the guy DIDN’T EVEN TRAIN!!!

Normally we account for a 5lbs difference per inch. So 180 on 5’7’’ is pretty much like 195lbs on 5’10’'. Surely if this guy had trained and ate more than 2 meals of crap a day he would have easily reached a much higher body weight than 200 in good condition.

Granted, this is ONE case (although I have played with quite a few guys who were in the 190-205lbs range on 5’9’’ - 5’11’’ with sub 10% body fat and who only did minimal training and ate sub-par diets) but there are many like this out there.

Sadly, it’s not us! But it goes to show that the human body cannot be put in a box saying that ‘‘it’s impossible to achieve this’’.

Do I believe that one can be bigger than 200lbs on 5’9’’ - 5’10’’ without drugs? YES!

Do I believe that everybody can reach that level? NO! And I do believe that it is a much better physique than most peoples imagine.[/quote]

Never realized you were 5’ 9" Thibs, being 5’ 7" myself this is great to see that it is possible. 200 is actually my long term goal (Military training for OCS is taking precedence but after basic and OCS I get right back to my bodybuilding goals) but it is nice to be reminded that it is possible at this height.

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[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
Not going to get involved in this argument, but if you think Reg Park was natural, and you’re using him as a base for comparisons, then you may as well give up now.[/quote]

Reg did compete naturally at minimum for a good many years. That has already been factually proven in this thread if you go back through it. I wonder how in the hell Reg would be competing with anabolics when they weren’t even available to him? That’d be tough now wouldn’t it?

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Well CT wrote right there above…

[quote]Do I believe that one can be bigger than 200lbs on 5’9’’ - 5’10’’ without drugs? YES!

Do I believe that everybody can reach that level? NO! And I do believe that it is a much better physique than most peoples imagine. [/quote]

I agree with this. so does Casey Butt. However what people look over is that not everyone is going to be able to get to 200 pounds @ 10% bodyfat or less. In fact, most guys in that same height range, won’t be able to. 250 ripped at 5’10"? Not humanly possible without anabolics. Fact.

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[quote]Guardian58 wrote:
Well CT wrote right there above…

Do I believe that one can be bigger than 200lbs on 5’9’’ - 5’10’’ without drugs? YES!

Do I believe that everybody can reach that level? NO! And I do believe that it is a much better physique than most peoples imagine.

I agree with this. so does Casey Butt. However what people look over is that not everyone is going to be able to get to 200 pounds @ 10% bodyfat or less. In fact, most guys in that same height range, won’t be able to. 250 ripped at 5’10"? Not humanly possible without anabolics. Fact.[/quote]

Um. Dude Prof is natural and I’m quoting CT when am saying that Prof X is pro size when it comes to shoulders etc… bulk for 20 years or so naturally and yes. You can obtain that after a long cut. Just saying.

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[quote]Bicep_craze wrote:
Guardian58 wrote:
Well CT wrote right there above…

Do I believe that one can be bigger than 200lbs on 5’9’’ - 5’10’’ without drugs? YES!

Do I believe that everybody can reach that level? NO! And I do believe that it is a much better physique than most peoples imagine.

I agree with this. so does Casey Butt. However what people look over is that not everyone is going to be able to get to 200 pounds @ 10% bodyfat or less. In fact, most guys in that same height range, won’t be able to. 250 ripped at 5’10"? Not humanly possible without anabolics. Fact.

Um. Dude Prof is natural and I’m quoting CT when am saying that Prof X is pro size when it comes to shoulders etc… bulk for 20 years or so naturally and yes. You can obtain that after a long cut. Just saying.[/quote]

No he’s not. Being a big fat guy has nothing to do with what you are going to be like when you cut all the way to single digit bodyfat. If he’s never gotten into single digit bodyfat then you nor he knows what he would weigh then. He’s not going to be pro bb’er size I can tell you that.

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I thought you were leaving there little man?

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yeah he is so fat…I hope i can get as fat as X one day…