12th week of my first cycle and I want to come off but I’m in fear
This may seem silly to some, I was wondering how bad is PCT psychologically and physically, due to my job being very psychologically & physically demanding.
I’m afraid to PCT because I just got a new and better position at work and I don’t want to cycle off and then be a total emotional psychological wreck and be a fatigued mess.
I planned for a 16 week cycle but I don’t want to be on any longer.
This is my 12th week on cycle, if I taper off to 150mg of Test E a wk for the next 4 weeks and then PCT will this help my transition back to normal rather than going from 500mg of test E and 300mg mast and then just quitting cold turkey
If I do it this route how long will I have to wait to start my PCT since I tapered off, and considering the possibility of substance build up in my system could be now lower than that if I had run 500mg test e and 300 mg mast all the way vs just 150mg Test E.
Please help, let me how you have felt during PCT. Am I over reacting to wanting to avoid PCT?
Sad to say, but you have to pay for your decision being ON - mentally and physically. Nobody knows how long you can stay on cycle to run HPTA again with PCT.
PCT protocol isn’t easy to conduct without noticeable side effects. It takes few weeks to washout testosterone esters from blood to even start thinking about taking a SERM. Setting proper SERM and AI dosage is tricky during the process, not to mention hCG and your testicles condition must be taken into consideration, so you should plan and manage that carefully. Clomifene citrate is the best choice to unlock your CNS from DHT & E2 excess, but side effects are strong, including depression and lack of energy. Clomid’s long t1/2 makes tapering off spread over weeks the task even more difficult.
Generally, proper PCT requires frequent dose changes based on bloodwork and takes few months, it definitely hurts and hinders functioning - if you want to be sure that your HPTA runs as in the past. If your goal is to unlock and then blast again, over and over again - forgive AAS at all or forgive PCT and go TRT.
I thank you for taking the time to respond but TRT isn’t an option and neither is Clomid because I don’t have any on hand.
I do apologize but I feel like you didn’t answer my questions.
I wanted to know how many weeks before I start my PCT if I taper off to 150mg test for the next 4 weeks VS if I continue running at blast dosages. I know about eaters clearing the system, somewhat. This is why I’m asking these questions that I am.
I want to know how bad individuals felt mentally and physically during PCT and how long it took until they came back.
And that statement right there doesn’t make much sense to myself, unlock what?. Yeah I already know TRT or PCT are the options here but TRT is absolutely not an option for me so let’s forget that thought because I’m only 23 dude lmao and this is my first cycle.
I know you’re only just trying to help I do appreciate that. But the only thing I truely took from that response is, PCT is going to effect me. And I understand that, that’s why I’m here asking for advice and ancidotal stories of individual peoples experiences with the PCT process.
I’m coming closer to PCT and I want to feel confindent in the decisions I make when I do for the safety of my own health, mentality and of course dem gainzzz
I find zeek1414, iron_yuppie and Singhbuilder all has always given me straight forward advice in helping me to stay safe
No Clomid on hand and considering PCT? Please educate yourself. Long story short - proper PCT makes you feel like shit for first weeks during SERM administration.
The first part of the question is simple. If you taper off for the next 4 weeks at that dose its a safe bet to start pct 2-3 weeks after last pin if you want to be safe and have extra nolva start at 2 weeks run pct 6 weeks.
As for the second part it’s highly individual. Some guys have no issues with pct they feel great just like on cycle. Some guys feel lethargic, fatigued, low libido, acne, etc. Both groups are completely normal. Your gonna get bloods after pct personally I would wait 3-4 weeks after you finish pct. This will give you an idea on how well you started back up. The idea is if you do experience a rough pct by the time you get bloods you should be feeling better granted everything is running normal again.
This basically. I would go one step further and taper off slightly lower every week during those 4 weeks. Something like 200mg, 150mg, 100mg, 50mg then off, wait 2-3 weeks and start PCT.
Tapering off this way, you actually shouldn’t feel any of the usual PCT sides. My taper off was smooth AF, compared to the cold turkey style PCT, which belongs way back in the 1990s.
So by going off this and Singhbuilder’s advice, what I’m thinking is taper lower for the next 4 weeks as I taper off from 200mg to 50mg. Then the next 3 weeks after this week while I’m tapering the Test, I’m going to take 500iu HCG 2x a week.
And then for 2 weeks after my last and final shot I’ll continue to run HCG without over lapping my PCT.
My PCT is going to start 2 weeks after my last and final shot. It’ll be 40/40/40/20/20/20 Nolva just to be safe.
This definitely sounds like the easiest and friendliest transition off. I appreciate the help very much guys!
Thank you and I agree aswell. The thought of cold turkey sounds a bit wild to me personally. I appreciate the advice from you both. You both are always helpful
I’ll report back in time on this method I’m going to try.
It won’t work, just another copy paste protocol found in the Internet. As I can see you already have a clear conscience, but it won’t take you where you want to go because you are wrong. Tamoxifen doesn’t block ER in the hypothalamus as we’d like to expect, it was developed to inhibit ER stimulation in the breast and does the job very well. Please spend more time reading about SERM, hCG and T esters t1/2, then come back and admit that you’re wrong - so I can help from there.
Yes, pat the author on the back and let him go with another golden tips. He’ll appreciate your contribution to his hormonal disability for sure. One more time - do not take on something you have no idea about. Hence the rash of desperate kids screaming about limp dick.
I didnt pat anyone on the back. I honestly dont give two shits about the OP one way or the other. I was strictly commenting on you acting like a cunt to someone asking for advice. Looks like you got butthurt because your advice wasnt heeded.
There’re many forms of bringing help. The worse, IMO, is to give a shit advice as above. I wanted to pour a cold bucket of water on the author so maybe he’d start learning. It’s not my business how he reacts, not my problem, not my balls. Your reaction isn’t even worth commenting :).
This was taken from Pub.MD and this is information based on clinical studies. Tamoxifen is another name for Nolva
“The administration of tamoxifen, 20 mg/day for 10 days, to normal males produced a moderate increase in luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), testosterone, and estradiol levels, comparable to the effect of 150 mg of clomiphene citrate (Clomid). However, whereas Clomid produced a decrease in the LH response to LH-releasing hormone (LHRH), no such effect was seen after the administration of tamoxifen. In fact, prolonged treatment (6 weeks) with tamoxifen significantly increased the LH response to LHRL. Treatment of patients with “idiopathic” oligospermia for 6 to 9 months resulted in a significant increase in gonadotropin, testosterone, and estradiol levels. A significant increase in sperm density was observed only in subjects with oligospermia below 20 X 10(6)/ml and normal basal FSH levels. When basal FSH levels were increased or oligospermia was moderate (greater than 20 X 10(6)/ml); no effect on sperm density was seen. As sperm density increased, FSH levels decreased, suggesting an inhibin effect. Sperm motility was not improved by tamoxifen treatment. In five boys with delayed puberty, tamoxifen treatment appeared to activate the pituitary-gonadal axis and pubertal development.”
Taken from another Pub.MD article in clinical studies on Tamoxifen.
“…tamoxifen results in the inhibition of the negative feedback of estrogen at the hypothalamus and pituitary gland, and results in the release of LH and FSH, which in turn increases testosterone biosynthesis and “stimulates” spermatogenesis.”
Nolva acts more like a receptacle blocker, or place holder. It doesnt treat for high E2 symptoms. Its not going to block the aromatization process altogether.