[quote]Vegita wrote:
JN7844 wrote:
John S. wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
John S. wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
John S. wrote:
I sure as hell won’t pay a fine.
Why stop there? Don’t pay your taxes either.
Because right now I am working in a place where taxes are taken out automatically. Trust me if I had a way not to pay I would do it.
If you are a W-4 employee you can change your deductions to the maximum and nothing will be taken out except FICA.
I will have to check that out thanks.
As opposed to using the max deductions, write ‘EXEMPT’ on line 7. Sign and send to your payroll department.
What happens if you do this? Do you just not file a federal return every year and say screw it? What if someone comes to audit you? I’m confused? Won’t the government catch on that you aren’t paying taxes and come for you? Or do you do this as a form of civil disobedience and accept the consequences if/when you get caught? I would love to keep the 15,000 out of my 40,000 salary I currently give to the government.
V[/quote]
You make a lot more then I do. I just work part time as I am going through school. If my math is right I don’t even make enough to where I am required to file taxes. I am going to check some things out but If my math is right I could be able to get away with this.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
JN7844 wrote:
John S. wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
John S. wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
John S. wrote:
I sure as hell won’t pay a fine.
Why stop there? Don’t pay your taxes either.
Because right now I am working in a place where taxes are taken out automatically. Trust me if I had a way not to pay I would do it.
If you are a W-4 employee you can change your deductions to the maximum and nothing will be taken out except FICA.
I will have to check that out thanks.
As opposed to using the max deductions, write ‘EXEMPT’ on line 7. Sign and send to your payroll department.
What happens if you do this? Do you just not file a federal return every year and say screw it? What if someone comes to audit you? I’m confused? Won’t the government catch on that you aren’t paying taxes and come for you? Or do you do this as a form of civil disobedience and accept the consequences if/when you get caught? I would love to keep the 15,000 out of my 40,000 salary I currently give to the government.
V[/quote]
You would absolutely be audited eventually and you would have to pay a fine on all back taxes owed.
[quote]Genocide_General wrote:
Along with 10% of the US population, I don’t have a job. I wonder if the government will still find a way to get their money from us.[/quote]
Of course they will. Our government has gotten too large and is into too much of our lives. Mandated health insurance is stupid. There is no way I could afford what is to come. I have absolutely zero faith in our government or obama. So those of you who voted for this socialist idiot I say thanks a lot a$$holes! We should get rid of all those crooks in Washington and start over with people who work for a living.
Guys, I know this may sound lazy, but I haven’t made the time to read all 1,900-plus pages in this bill. Does anyone here know whether it contains any changes to current law on food supplements?
Remember… Not too long ago we witnessed the government banning ephedrine based on pretty scanty anecdotal evidence. Shortly before that, our wise leaders banned pro-hormones. (But of course those are dangerous substances that can play havoc with a man’s hormones - unlike beer, soy, and even drinking water contaminated with female birth control!)
I certainly wouldn’t put it past Pelosi and her cronies to decide that we must be protected from the kidney-destroying ravages of excess protein, not to mention creatine. And we certainly can’t have ordinary citizens taking their long-term health into their own hands by using stuff like Flameout and Rez-V without a prescription.
Should those of us who use supplements be especially worried?
[quote]John S. wrote:
Vegita wrote:
JN7844 wrote:
John S. wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
John S. wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
John S. wrote:
I sure as hell won’t pay a fine.
Why stop there? Don’t pay your taxes either.
Because right now I am working in a place where taxes are taken out automatically. Trust me if I had a way not to pay I would do it.
If you are a W-4 employee you can change your deductions to the maximum and nothing will be taken out except FICA.
I will have to check that out thanks.
As opposed to using the max deductions, write ‘EXEMPT’ on line 7. Sign and send to your payroll department.
What happens if you do this? Do you just not file a federal return every year and say screw it? What if someone comes to audit you? I’m confused? Won’t the government catch on that you aren’t paying taxes and come for you? Or do you do this as a form of civil disobedience and accept the consequences if/when you get caught? I would love to keep the 15,000 out of my 40,000 salary I currently give to the government.
V
You make a lot more then I do. I just work part time as I am going through school. If my math is right I don’t even make enough to where I am required to file taxes. I am going to check some things out but If my math is right I could be able to get away with this.[/quote]
If that’s true (your income being low enough), you should file an '08 return and any back years through 2006 (if applicable). You will be due refunds.
Anyone who thought that decreasing cost was the purpose was not paying attention.[/quote]
Shit Bill your right…I have been missing the point all along.
In truth is this is a problem of big government, reasonable measured steps don’t have the same brand power as all encompassing bills.
Another example of this shit will be energy independence, which should be handled in a series of smaller steps toward a common goal. Some idiot politician will try to write a 5000 page bill to fix this problem when really step one should be making it easier to build nuclear plants in the US or something simpler like of the same ilk.
Now all you have to do is to let go of your pet projects you would like to force other people to contribute to and presto! → libertarian.[/quote]
Used to be one. Then I read Derrick Jensen’s works and most of his source material…ruined me for life. lol
And I’ve always believed I have zero right to coerce another human being into doing something or believing something in line with my ideology. I also understand now that most of my actions indirectly affect human and non-human alike, so, in that respect, I am a giant hypocrite.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Haven’t some states recently passed language reasserting their rights, calling into question the reach of the federal government? I’d like to see some brave Governors, mayors, etc., ensure their states and cities that they do not recognize any federal power that would allow the government to fine and imprison their citizens over a decision to not purchase a healthcare package.
That all law enforcements agencies have been told to not cooperate with this. And instead, to protect their citizens from any kind of federal enforcement of these penalties. I think it’s time for a state/federal showdown.[/quote]
If every state would do this the feds would not have the man power to enforce their laws.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Oh, I was accidentally incomplete in listing her natural voter base. That also includes union members (not absolutely all of them, but the great majority.) These also do not worry about having to buy a $15K policy because they have union-negotiated health insurance that will be considered acceptable.
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I can personally say that my benefits are negotiated by my IAFF local with our department administration (but we negotiate even for members of the department that are not a member as well). We do not have a situation like the UAW that negotiates a blanket for all.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
JN7844 wrote:
John S. wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
John S. wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
John S. wrote:
I sure as hell won’t pay a fine.
Why stop there? Don’t pay your taxes either.
Because right now I am working in a place where taxes are taken out automatically. Trust me if I had a way not to pay I would do it.
If you are a W-4 employee you can change your deductions to the maximum and nothing will be taken out except FICA.
I will have to check that out thanks.
As opposed to using the max deductions, write ‘EXEMPT’ on line 7. Sign and send to your payroll department.
What happens if you do this? Do you just not file a federal return every year and say screw it? What if someone comes to audit you? I’m confused? Won’t the government catch on that you aren’t paying taxes and come for you? Or do you do this as a form of civil disobedience and accept the consequences if/when you get caught? I would love to keep the 15,000 out of my 40,000 salary I currently give to the government.
V[/quote]
Your best bet is to talk with somebody that knows that IRS rules and regs inside and out. They are so damn confusing and one misstep here or there can lead to a shitload of grief.
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
Vegita wrote:
JN7844 wrote:
John S. wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
John S. wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
John S. wrote:
I sure as hell won’t pay a fine.
Why stop there? Don’t pay your taxes either.
Because right now I am working in a place where taxes are taken out automatically. Trust me if I had a way not to pay I would do it.
If you are a W-4 employee you can change your deductions to the maximum and nothing will be taken out except FICA.
I will have to check that out thanks.
As opposed to using the max deductions, write ‘EXEMPT’ on line 7. Sign and send to your payroll department.
What happens if you do this? Do you just not file a federal return every year and say screw it? What if someone comes to audit you? I’m confused? Won’t the government catch on that you aren’t paying taxes and come for you? Or do you do this as a form of civil disobedience and accept the consequences if/when you get caught? I would love to keep the 15,000 out of my 40,000 salary I currently give to the government.
V
Your best bet is to talk with somebody that knows that IRS rules and regs inside and out. They are so damn confusing and one misstep here or there can lead to a shitload of grief.[/quote]
Google underwithholding income taxes. There’s no victory there.
[quote]John S. wrote:
Vegita wrote:
JN7844 wrote:
John S. wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
John S. wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
John S. wrote:
I sure as hell won’t pay a fine.
Why stop there? Don’t pay your taxes either.
Because right now I am working in a place where taxes are taken out automatically. Trust me if I had a way not to pay I would do it.
If you are a W-4 employee you can change your deductions to the maximum and nothing will be taken out except FICA.
I will have to check that out thanks.
As opposed to using the max deductions, write ‘EXEMPT’ on line 7. Sign and send to your payroll department.
What happens if you do this? Do you just not file a federal return every year and say screw it? What if someone comes to audit you? I’m confused? Won’t the government catch on that you aren’t paying taxes and come for you? Or do you do this as a form of civil disobedience and accept the consequences if/when you get caught? I would love to keep the 15,000 out of my 40,000 salary I currently give to the government.
V
You make a lot more then I do. I just work part time as I am going through school. If my math is right I don’t even make enough to where I am required to file taxes. I am going to check some things out but If my math is right I could be able to get away with this.[/quote]
I applaud you for your idealogs given you are a young student in todays liberal (communist) school system, however slap slap for not knowing this.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Haven’t some states recently passed language reasserting their rights, calling into question the reach of the federal government? I’d like to see some brave Governors, mayors, etc., ensure their states and cities that they do not recognize any federal power that would allow the government to fine and imprison their citizens over a decision to not purchase a healthcare package.
That all law enforcements agencies have been told to not cooperate with this. And instead, to protect their citizens from any kind of federal enforcement of these penalties. I think it’s time for a state/federal showdown.
If every state would do this the feds would not have the man power to enforce their laws.
[/quote]
Notice the date before reading…not really that far fetched though.
Coming to a Community Near You?
Item in Atlanta Journal & Constitution
Sunday 20 April 2014 Press Release Atlanta Field Office Federal Bureau of Investigation
Yesterday 4 Deputy US Marshals were detailed to serve an arrest warrant on Philip Gordon 63 of Carroll County in west Georgia. Mr Gordon refused to allow the Marshals entrance to his gated property whereupon the gate was breached using necessary force. During the process Mr Gordonâ??s 2 Labrador retrievers charged the federal agents and were dispatched. Mr Gordon refused to submit to arrest and brandished an assault rifle accusing the Marshals of trespassing before retreating into his home. The Marshals summoned backup from the local Carroll County Sheriffâ??s office and two of the 6 responding deputies refused to cooperate in serving the lawful warrant. They were immediately relieved of duty. Additional backup of federal agents in the Atlanta field offices of the FBI and BATFE surrounded the Gordon residence. Repeated demands for Gordon to surrender went unheeded and chemical agents were introduced into the structure. An hour later an unconscious Gordon was taken into custody and booked into the Fulton county jail on the warrant charging refusal to pay the $15,000.00 penalty for failure to maintain a government approved medical insurance policy.
Something to ponder: What will be your reaction dear reader, when you read the above news item?
Commissar Pelosi thinks those who don’t want to participate should be jailed. After all the legislation is “fair” in her opinion.[/quote]
There should be a seperate thread where those who supported Obama, Pelosi, and the rest of the commie pinkos (sorry, but it’s justified after that exchange) can apologize to the rest of us.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
What’s more, according to the Congressional Budget Office, the lowest cost family-of-four non-group plan under Pelosi’s bill will cost… wait for it…
FIFTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS PER YEAR.
What, you thought health insurance was going to become cheaper under this plan, where heavy taxes are placed on medical services and devices and on health insurance companies and where insurance companies are forced to not “discriminate against” people who waited for their car to crash first before buying a policy?[/quote]
It WILL be cheaper… please don’t cherry pick the information to suit your agenda. Tell the whole story. We’re talking 2016 prices, so…
The Congressional Budget Office projects that the cost for that same insurance policy WITHOUT the reform bill will cost… wait for it…
TWENTY FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS PER YEAR
Without the house reform bill, individuals will expect to pay about 8000 dollars a year for insurance. With the house bill, that amount would be $5,300.
I certainly wish the cost savings would be more dramatic but that would require an even more robust bill, something that the Republicans have been fighting against tooth and nail.
Once again that’s 15,000 dollars for insurance, for a family of four (projected 2016 prices) WITH the House reform bill
Or 24,000 dollars for the same policy, without any reform bill.
Used to be one. Then I read Derrick Jensen’s works and most of his source material…ruined me for life. lol