Who among us will be going to prison for the federal offense of not buying insurance? Who will pay the 15k fine and do prison time for fighting tax to live in this country?
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091108/D9BR59EO0.html
The Dems just nailed the last tack into their political coffins for 2010.
What’s more, according to the Congressional Budget Office, the lowest cost family-of-four non-group plan under Pelosi’s bill will cost… wait for it…
FIFTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS PER YEAR.
What, you thought health insurance was going to become cheaper under this plan, where heavy taxes are placed on medical services and devices and on health insurance companies and where insurance companies are forced to not “discriminate against” people who waited for their car to crash first before buying a policy?
Also, the fine for not buying the policy is not $15K, it is twenty-five thousand dollars.
What needs to be done at this point, is making it known that signing this bill will be political suicide. We need to make more noise, and even more noise, so much to the point that all of Creation rattles.
That would stop Obama from signing it?
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
That would stop Obama from signing it? [/quote]
Well it still needs to go through the senate, right? I’m not sure this can be repealed without the newly-in-charge Repubs (2010) also committing political suicide. (take away “Free” stuff)
I for one AM for everyone being forced to have insurance. The hospitals have an unfunded mandate to not say no to you, but you don’t have to make sure you can pay? Just because you never get sick and are unlikely to get cancer, doesn’t mean you’re not going to break your ankle running the bases at coed softball or fall off the ladder and turn your collarbone into a fine powder.
Gee, how about you pay your own damn money for those accidents?
Give the hospitals some serious collection powers.
Sorry, I don’t care for the government ordering me to either buy a $15K/year policy or pay a $25K fine or be imprisoned for 5 years. If you do care for it, then you know which political party overwhelmingly thinks as you do.
So where can you go to see who voted Yay and who voted Nay?
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Gee, how about you pay your own damn money for those accidents?
Give the hospitals some serious collection powers.
Sorry, I don’t care for the government ordering me to either buy a $15K/year policy or pay a $25K fine or be imprisoned for 5 years. If you do care for it, then you know which political party overwhelmingly thinks as you do.[/quote]
25K or 5 years? Wow thats less than Wlliam Ayers got for killing cops.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Gee, how about you pay your own damn money for those accidents?
Give the hospitals some serious collection powers.
Sorry, I don’t care for the government ordering me to either buy a $15K/year policy or pay a $25K fine or be imprisoned for 5 years. If you do care for it, then you know which political party overwhelmingly thinks as you do.[/quote]
The potential for outrageous medical costs are there for even the healthiest of people. Just like car insurance, I think everyone should be forced to have it.
I sure as hell won’t pay a fine.
[quote]JPCleary wrote:
So where can you go to see who voted Yay and who voted Nay?[/quote]
Unofficial:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/11/08/us/politics/AP-US-House-RollCall-Health-Care.html
[quote]msd0060 wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Gee, how about you pay your own damn money for those accidents?
Give the hospitals some serious collection powers.
Sorry, I don’t care for the government ordering me to either buy a $15K/year policy or pay a $25K fine or be imprisoned for 5 years. If you do care for it, then you know which political party overwhelmingly thinks as you do.
The potential for outrageous medical costs are there for even the healthiest of people. Just like car insurance, I think everyone should be forced to have it. [/quote]
What in the Constitution gives them the right to force people to buy something?
[quote]John S. wrote:
msd0060 wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Gee, how about you pay your own damn money for those accidents?
Give the hospitals some serious collection powers.
Sorry, I don’t care for the government ordering me to either buy a $15K/year policy or pay a $25K fine or be imprisoned for 5 years. If you do care for it, then you know which political party overwhelmingly thinks as you do.
The potential for outrageous medical costs are there for even the healthiest of people. Just like car insurance, I think everyone should be forced to have it.
What in the Constitution gives them the right to force people to buy something?
[/quote]
Fine then… states must force their citizens to buy health insurance like they do with car insurance.
Here’s what I don’t like: libertarian-except-for-sometimes gets sick and then needs to go to the hospital. His internet hardman status has prevented him from buying health insurance just cause he can plus he also needed the next biggest sized TV. He has practically nothing forcing him to pay except for a credit point hit. All in the name of being a libertarian.
Most people do not make enough money to be self-insured nor can be trusted to self-insure so as to not become a burden of the rest of society when they fuck up spectacularly.
The states don’t even have the power for that.
Cars and people are two different things, You choose to buy a car and then drive it on state roads. You do not choose to live. The constitution protects against forcing an individual to buy something. If you want to live in a country where the government controls everything go to Europe. I would have said China but they are turning towards freedom and Capitalism, I give them 10 more years before they about as free as we used to be.
[quote]msd0060 wrote:
Most people do not make enough money to be self-insured nor can be trusted to self-insure so as to not become a burden of the rest of society when they fuck up spectacularly. [/quote]
Actually most people make more then enough to be self insured. If we moved away from employer based the company would pay the employees more so they could go and buy the insurance they wanted.
For the record, I am against this bill in its entirety. I simply like the idea of people having health insurance so that THEIR bad decisions don’t affect ME (higher taxes to makeup the hospitals’ losses). Like Juan and Pedro here in north Fort Worth who no gotty car insurance when the slam into you.
[quote]msd0060 wrote:
For the record, I am against this bill in its entirety. I simply like the idea of people having health insurance so that THEIR bad decisions don’t affect ME (higher taxes to makeup the hospitals’ losses). Like Juan and Pedro here in north Fort Worth who no gotty car insurance when the slam into you.[/quote]
I agree, What if we got rid of the emergency room requiring to heal everyone. What if we viewed it as just another service?
Let the hospitals set up charities so we could donate to them so when people who can’t afford come in they can be taken care of. This sounds more American to me.
[quote]msd0060 wrote:
Fine then… states must force their citizens to buy health insurance like they do with car insurance.
.[/quote]
Rediculous. Car insurance is something TOTALLY different. We can choose to drive or not. We pay to use the car (DMV) Pay tax for gas is we use it. Insurance is fine mandated because we still have choice, and insurance is only for the fact that you are driving a dangerous machine that CAN KILL PEOPLE AND DAMAGE OTHERS PROPOERTY.
My right to exist must never be taxed.
More than just “political” Revolution will be around the corner with this one.
As soon as the middle class, regular Obama supporters have to pay for this plan because they “don’t qualify” for the free shit, and have to pay 100% more than they did before…then I really hope they realize they sold out their own freedom and souls.
[quote]msd0060 wrote:
For the record, I am against this bill in its entirety. .[/quote]
Dude, you just backed up the mandate and fines, which is a major issue, and now this? Are you running for office or what?