HOT-ROX Banned in Australia?

[quote]Grey Rainbow wrote:

And is there any research behind it to prove it’s going to kill you? And who are you to tell me or anyone that I don’t have an education?

I don’t see how fat politicians can tell us which supplements we can and can’t take. Supplement shops in Australia have a very hard time getting Biotest products on the shelves - hence why you pretty much never see them there. Who has the right to tell me what I can or can’t have to increase my performance, health and benifit my physique? Who the fuck has that right? I should have the right to try and be the best I can be - and that includes living as long as possible. I should have the right to use my brain to be the best I can be. If I make a bad desicion, it was my desicion and I will learn from it, and live with it. If anyone makes a bad descion they will live with it. Every action you take is a risk, and it is YOUR risk.

They ban so many supplements in Australia that can’t do much except better your health (some of course may have a tiny bit of some kind of something that’s maybe possibly bad for you in some way though ((in this context, what does bad for you constitue exactly?))) and yet they don’t touch fast food giants; Hungry Jacks, McDonalds, KFC ect. Which sell things that are ACTUALLY GOING TO AFFECT YOUR HEALTH IN A NEGATIVE WAY! How the fuck does this work? They sell tuna - full of mercury (although nothing for the average person to worry about, by their standards it should by terrible), they don’t touch alchohol. Alchohol wears down the liver. And when drunk in excess causes a whole list of hoo-haas, not to mention violence.

This seriously frustrates me.

And to add insult to injury, they are still pushing for mandatory internet filtering across Australia! Kevin Rudd thinks porn is inappropriate content for Australia’s eyes. Don’t I get a say in what’s appropriate for my eyes? Aren’t I an adult? And of course like all filters, anything that mentions anything that may have something to do with porn will be blacklisted. Hell, even articles and posts such as this one that mention such horrid words will be blocked.

Aside from that though Australia is a great country and I’m proud to be Australian. This pisses me off though.[/quote]

I’m sure there are more legit reasons why certain substances are banned, but I agree with you that an educated consumer should be able to get what they want. Australia bans so much stuff its just annoying, and the customs are extremely tight.

People on this site have said that Australia’s government is too controlling, at first I didn’t think much of it but they really are. The internet censorship is taking it a step too far. I don’t really have an interest in politics, and I like Rudd, but alot of what he does, he wants to force on corporations and people because it seems he thinks he knows whats best even if they don’t(which is sometimes true). Personally I thought the alcopop tax was good, but every drinker hates Rudd for it.

As for shops not selling Biotest…apart from the HRX, I’m pretty sure you can get everything else or close to it. Biotest is more appealing to an educated consumer, but not so much for people who have no idea what they are buying. For example,let’s say you can get 400 BCAA’s of some brand for $40, or you can get Biotest’s 250 BCAA’s for $45. Obviously most people will go for the more for less, but Biotest’s are actually more concentrated and are better value. But in the supplement markets, most people just want something to get results without the hard work.

Aside from this, there are countless other stupid laws when importing products, such as you cannot sell it for public consumption unless the product is on some list(forget the name) which is total bullshit. Or that if customs determine you are ordering more product then you can personally consume in the next 6-12 months they can deny it.

They treat this shit worse then drugs. Seriously.

A lot of stuff is banned in Australia,cant seem to Isatori Isa Test anymore.No more Biotest. You can risk getting it sent from New Zealand.

[quote]hardgnr wrote:
Grey Rainbow wrote:

And is there any research behind it to prove it’s going to kill you? And who are you to tell me or anyone that I don’t have an education?

I don’t see how fat politicians can tell us which supplements we can and can’t take. Supplement shops in Australia have a very hard time getting Biotest products on the shelves - hence why you pretty much never see them there. Who has the right to tell me what I can or can’t have to increase my performance, health and benifit my physique? Who the fuck has that right? I should have the right to try and be the best I can be - and that includes living as long as possible. I should have the right to use my brain to be the best I can be. If I make a bad desicion, it was my desicion and I will learn from it, and live with it. If anyone makes a bad descion they will live with it. Every action you take is a risk, and it is YOUR risk.

They ban so many supplements in Australia that can’t do much except better your health (some of course may have a tiny bit of some kind of something that’s maybe possibly bad for you in some way though ((in this context, what does bad for you constitue exactly?))) and yet they don’t touch fast food giants; Hungry Jacks, McDonalds, KFC ect. Which sell things that are ACTUALLY GOING TO AFFECT YOUR HEALTH IN A NEGATIVE WAY! How the fuck does this work? They sell tuna - full of mercury (although nothing for the average person to worry about, by their standards it should by terrible), they don’t touch alchohol. Alchohol wears down the liver. And when drunk in excess causes a whole list of hoo-haas, not to mention violence.

This seriously frustrates me.

And to add insult to injury, they are still pushing for mandatory internet filtering across Australia! Kevin Rudd thinks porn is inappropriate content for Australia’s eyes. Don’t I get a say in what’s appropriate for my eyes? Aren’t I an adult? And of course like all filters, anything that mentions anything that may have something to do with porn will be blacklisted. Hell, even articles and posts such as this one that mention such horrid words will be blocked.

Aside from that though Australia is a great country and I’m proud to be Australian. This pisses me off though.

I’m sure there are more legit reasons why certain substances are banned, but I agree with you that an educated consumer should be able to get what they want. Australia bans so much stuff its just annoying, and the customs are extremely tight.

People on this site have said that Australia’s government is too controlling, at first I didn’t think much of it but they really are. The internet censorship is taking it a step too far. I don’t really have an interest in politics, and I like Rudd, but alot of what he does, he wants to force on corporations and people because it seems he thinks he knows whats best even if they don’t(which is sometimes true). Personally I thought the alcopop tax was good, but every drinker hates Rudd for it.

As for shops not selling Biotest…apart from the HRX, I’m pretty sure you can get everything else or close to it. Biotest is more appealing to an educated consumer, but not so much for people who have no idea what they are buying. For example,let’s say you can get 400 BCAA’s of some brand for $40, or you can get Biotest’s 250 BCAA’s for $45. Obviously most people will go for the more for less, but Biotest’s are actually more concentrated and are better value. But in the supplement markets, most people just want something to get results without the hard work.

Aside from this, there are countless other stupid laws when importing products, such as you cannot sell it for public consumption unless the product is on some list(forget the name) which is total bullshit. Or that if customs determine you are ordering more product then you can personally consume in the next 6-12 months they can deny it.

They treat this shit worse then drugs. Seriously.[/quote]

Glad someone sees where I’m comming from.
I’m not really concerned with the lack of Biotest products in Australia, just the general customs situation (it’s not just Biotest products they’re banning either). I buy my supplements in bulk for at least half the price I would be paying if I used the Australian Biotest site. This includes L-leucine, Beta-Alamine, Maltodextrin, Hydrolyzed Whey Protein Isolate, BCAA’s, ZMA, Creatine Monohydrate and Micellar Caseins (along with other proteins). That said, it would be great if Biotest products were available in a supplement store for reasonable prices.

hahahaha we should just make an australian thread on a american website =)

off topic, but talkin of kangaroo burgers, i had kangaroo friday night, really weird…

its only seared on both sides and raw in the middle cos of how much muscle it has, crazy, tasted weird.

oh and real funny that were the only country that actually kills and eats it own national animal… were awesome!

i have never tried kangaroo, heard that its really lean and high in iron tho… are you guys all getting the K Rudd stimulus money?? I think i will spend mine on some supplements haha

hahahaha yeah its going to be good, i think i might renew the membership and buy a lot of steak and whey

[quote]Grey Rainbow wrote:

Glad someone sees where I’m comming from.
I’m not really concerned with the lack of Biotest products in Australia, just the general customs situation (it’s not just Biotest products they’re banning either). I buy my supplements in bulk for at least half the price I would be paying if I used the Australian Biotest site. This includes L-leucine, Beta-Alamine, Maltodextrin, Hydrolyzed Whey Protein Isolate, BCAA’s, ZMA, Creatine Monohydrate and Micellar Caseins (along with other proteins). That said, it would be great if Biotest products were available in a supplement store for reasonable prices.[/quote]

It would be nice if supplements were priced reasonably over here, period. I’ve seen PWO powders with ~14 servings selling for $115. That’s $8 a fucking scoop. It wasn’t even good stuff. I’ve resorted to buying 20kg bags of WPC(which tend to taste like ass) so I’m getting decent value.

Where do you get your supplements from? I wouldn’t mind getting some cheap ZMA if possible. Hell, the cheapest ZMA is probably the one from this site even after postage and exchange rates.

The Aussies prolly have similar rules to we Canadians… as they’re part of the british rule no? We can’t get HOT-ROX either… :S

[quote]VibeAlive wrote:
The Aussies prolly have similar rules to we Canadians… as they’re part of the british rule no? We can’t get HOT-ROX either… :S [/quote]

But apparently the British can get anything they want. (Nothing banned over there).

The internet is a global thing we are not the only ones doing it. The french are more progressed on it than we are and there are a few other countries doing it as well.

P.S kanga meat is really good for you I learnt that on the biggest loser! lots of protein in those bad boys

I presume some of the fellow Aussies on here have bought stuff directly from the T-Store itself?

How did the transaction go? All I’m after is some Metabolic Drive protein and should be able to get it at nearly half the price they are trying to sell it for from Biotest Australia.

Any responses on your experiences would be appreciated.

Thanks

Tim

[quote]Timmeh wrote:
I presume some of the fellow Aussies on here have bought stuff directly from the T-Store itself?

How did the transaction go? All I’m after is some Metabolic Drive protein and should be able to get it at nearly half the price they are trying to sell it for from Biotest Australia.

Any responses on your experiences would be appreciated.

Thanks

Tim
[/quote]

It usually takes less then a week to arrive. Powder is expensive to ship because it is bulky and heavy. So your shipping cost will be pretty high, depends alot on how much you buy, you really need to play around with it.

Like it might cost say (random numbers) $80 to ship 4 tubs, $82 to ship 5 tubs, then $95 to ship 6 tubs.

I have bought a fair bit of stuff from here and it always gets to Canberra in about two weeks. Usually I have to send the ingredients to FedEx because their customs officers are worse than normal customs but I have had nothing seized in the past (which includes HOT-ROX and Alpha Male).

The key thing is if you know what you like to buy in bulk to take advantage of the marginal shipping costs when you buy multiple items. Just make sure you don’t buy more than $1,000.00 worth of stuff at any one time as then you have to pay tax on it. Don’t ask me how I know this :confused:

Hardgnr, I thought you needed a licence to import protein powder into Australia?

yeah i’ve learnt the under AU$1k as well… they included the shipping cost in my $1k, i just shut my mouth and paid it to get them through.

I’ve also learnt the “NO MILK PRODUCTS” the hard way too and had it shipped back at my cost.

Although i have gotten the above mentioned items through once or twice, it’s a matter of luck, but when push comes to shove, customs really don’t like milk coming into Oz… its for babies anyway.

[quote]namor wrote:
Hardgnr, I thought you needed a licence to import protein powder into Australia?[/quote]

Are you talking for personal use, or for bulk? I have brought Surge, Metabolic Drive and Grow! from this site with no problems. I have read on the customs site they can apparently seize an item if they think its more then 6-12months supply for yourself. I did order something like $400-500 of just Flameout before though - lol.

I was toying with the idea of importing a large amount of Whey over from maybe China or India. Like a tonne. Would probably need a license for that. Got to do some research though.

What is the tax on large orders? I’m pretty sure I’ve done an order for $1300…don’t remember paying anything extra? I do know I had to send the ingredients to FedEx and after customs it had to go to Quarantine. That order took 2 weeks.

Dude, you don’t want random whey products from china/india.

Metabolic Drive gets in, etc… that’s how im a level 4. Bulk ordering - similar to hardgnr it seems :slight_smile:

Surge has got through, Superfood, Metabolic Drive, Power Drive, Flameout. HOT-ROX shouldn’t, as yohimbine/yohimbe is banned. Off the top of my head, Spike should be a problem too, for the same reason, and I’d say 11-T could be a bit dicey. Protein bars are fine. But yeah basically, it can be risky - if you have one banned ingredient, whole lot gets sent back :frowning:

I’ve ordered Z-12, ZMA, Metabolic Drive, Spike, BCAA’s and a few other things including HOT-ROX Extreme from this Biotest store

My two bottles of HOT-ROX Extreme were confiscated and the rest was sent through, due to yohimbine-HCL being banned.

[quote]hardgnr wrote:
namor wrote:
Hardgnr, I thought you needed a licence to import protein powder into Australia?

Are you talking for personal use, or for bulk? I have brought Surge, Metabolic Drive and Grow! from this site with no problems. I have read on the customs site they can apparently seize an item if they think its more then 6-12months supply for yourself. I did order something like $400-500 of just Flameout before though - lol.

I was toying with the idea of importing a large amount of Whey over from maybe China or India. Like a tonne. Would probably need a license for that. Got to do some research though.

What is the tax on large orders? I’m pretty sure I’ve done an order for $1300…don’t remember paying anything extra? I do know I had to send the ingredients to FedEx and after customs it had to go to Quarantine. That order took 2 weeks.[/quote]

I understood that Customs took exception to almost all protein powders unless you bought a bottle at a time (which wouldn’t be worth it for shipping reasons). I was thinking about a licence as well, perhaps we should form a syndicate :stuck_out_tongue:

[quote]hardgnr wrote:
namor wrote:
Hardgnr, I thought you needed a licence to import protein powder into Australia?

Are you talking for personal use, or for bulk? I have brought Surge, Metabolic Drive and Grow! from this site with no problems. I have read on the customs site they can apparently seize an item if they think its more then 6-12months supply for yourself. I did order something like $400-500 of just Flameout before though - lol.

I was toying with the idea of importing a large amount of Whey over from maybe China or India. Like a tonne. Would probably need a license for that. Got to do some research though.

What is the tax on large orders? I’m pretty sure I’ve done an order for $1300…don’t remember paying anything extra? I do know I had to send the ingredients to FedEx and after customs it had to go to Quarantine. That order took 2 weeks.[/quote]

You (should) have to pay the GST (10%) on anything over $1k… plus import duties and a few other odds and ends, probably around ~20% or so total if i recall correctly.

Again it has to do with luck and probably won’t happen unless your shipment is reviewed.

Re: commercial quantities you’ll need a commercial license as well on top of the duties and GST. For bulk whey sources i’d be looking into NZ, they seem to have some of the best in the world.

And don’t forget about expiry dates, that’s a lot of whey to get through.

Would you really be trusting anything out of China with the recent milk scandal??