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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
The christian group should disband, join the LGBT group, and begin to hold morality and bible sessions organized under the group’s name. Wait to be asked to leave the group. Laugh. Could even hand out flyers that say, “Join members of [LGBT] group as they defend the traditional definition of marriage this friday, at such and such Hall.” Bwahaha.[/quote]

I hear Jesus was big on revenge.[/quote]

That’s not revenge. That’s living up to the school’s (and yours) definition of tolerance.[/quote]

Could’ve sworn I said people with the sole intention of disrupting a group should be removed a couple of times.

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How does it ‘disrupt’ a group? They’re part of the group. They can’t live out their religious lives as openly religious/political members? Intolerance alert! Intolerance alert! Does not compute! Does not compute! Doooes noooot compurrrrrrzzzt*

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
The christian group should disband, join the LGBT group, and begin to hold morality and bible sessions organized under the group’s name. Wait to be asked to leave the group. Laugh. Could even hand out flyers that say, “Join members of [LGBT] group as they defend the traditional definition of marriage this friday, at such and such Hall.” Bwahaha.[/quote]

I hear Jesus was big on revenge.[/quote]

That’s not revenge. That’s living up to the school’s (and yours) definition of tolerance.[/quote]

Could’ve sworn I said people with the sole intention of disrupting a group should be removed a couple of times.

[/quote]

How does it ‘disrupt’ a group? They’re part of the group. They can’t live out their religious lives as members? Intolerance alert! Intolerance alert! [/quote]

Alright, now you’re just being unnecessarily difficult.

Joining a group just to preach against its intended purpose is disruptive.

If this gay dude joined just to convince Christians that the gay lifestyle was not immoral, then sure I would agree he should be removed.

If he’s there to pray, take part in Christian activities, then why should he be kicked out?

If you wanna join the LGBT because you have a hard on for gay men (figuratively of course) and aren’t there to preach against their lifestyle, it wouldn’t bother me.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
The christian group should disband, join the LGBT group, and begin to hold morality and bible sessions organized under the group’s name. Wait to be asked to leave the group. Laugh. Could even hand out flyers that say, “Join members of [LGBT] group as they defend the traditional definition of marriage this friday, at such and such Hall.” Bwahaha.[/quote]

I hear Jesus was big on revenge.[/quote]

That’s not revenge. That’s living up to the school’s (and yours) definition of tolerance.[/quote]

Could’ve sworn I said people with the sole intention of disrupting a group should be removed a couple of times.

[/quote]

How does it ‘disrupt’ a group? They’re part of the group. They can’t live out their religious lives as members? Intolerance alert! Intolerance alert! [/quote]

Alright, now you’re just being unnecessarily difficult.

Joining a group just to preach against its intended purpose is disruptive.
[/quote]

Openly gay joins group that sees openly gay as non-christian. Group is disrupted by the openly displayed/claimed display of sin. Group kicks. Openly gay then furthers disrupts the group by recruiting the authority of the school. This, in order to take action against a group he purposefully joined to disrupt. Don’t BS me. You’re not stupid. He took an activist action. His intention was to disrupt the group and bend it around himself, to accommodate his lifestyle. Don’t sit here playing naive-nancy. Don’t play stupid with me, and I won’t treat you stupid.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
The christian group should disband, join the LGBT group, and begin to hold morality and bible sessions organized under the group’s name. Wait to be asked to leave the group. Laugh. Could even hand out flyers that say, “Join members of [LGBT] group as they defend the traditional definition of marriage this friday, at such and such Hall.” Bwahaha.[/quote]

And, as stated by the school…

“organizations can have core beliefs, but that organizations can’t require their members or leaders to abide by or adhere to those core beliefs.”

So my scenario fits the spirit of the rules perfectly.

Read more: Why is Vanderbilt turning hostile to religion on its campus? | Fox News

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
The christian group should disband, join the LGBT group, and begin to hold morality and bible sessions organized under the group’s name. Wait to be asked to leave the group. Laugh. Could even hand out flyers that say, “Join members of [LGBT] group as they defend the traditional definition of marriage this friday, at such and such Hall.” Bwahaha.[/quote]

I hear Jesus was big on revenge.[/quote]

That’s not revenge. That’s living up to the school’s (and yours) definition of tolerance.[/quote]

Could’ve sworn I said people with the sole intention of disrupting a group should be removed a couple of times.

[/quote]

How does it ‘disrupt’ a group? They’re part of the group. They can’t live out their religious lives as members? Intolerance alert! Intolerance alert! [/quote]

Alright, now you’re just being unnecessarily difficult.

Joining a group just to preach against its intended purpose is disruptive.
[/quote]

Openly gay joins group that sees openly gay as non-christian. Group is disrupted by the openly displayed/claimed display of sin. Group kicks. Openly gay then furthers disrupts the group by recruiting the authority of the school. This, in order to take action against a group he purposefully joined to disrupt. Don’t BS me. You’re not stupid. He took an activist action. His intention was to disrupt the group and bend it around himself, to accommodate his lifestyle. Don’t sit here playing naive-nancy. Don’t play stupid with me, and I won’t treat you stupid.
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There’s no information on the circumstances of his removal. If he took an activist action, then he should be kicked.

For all we know, he could’ve ‘slipped’ admitted his guilt and been kicked immediately.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
The christian group should disband, join the LGBT group, and begin to hold morality and bible sessions organized under the group’s name. Wait to be asked to leave the group. Laugh. Could even hand out flyers that say, “Join members of [LGBT] group as they defend the traditional definition of marriage this friday, at such and such Hall.” Bwahaha.[/quote]

I hear Jesus was big on revenge.[/quote]

That’s not revenge. That’s living up to the school’s (and yours) definition of tolerance.[/quote]

Could’ve sworn I said people with the sole intention of disrupting a group should be removed a couple of times.

[/quote]

How does it ‘disrupt’ a group? They’re part of the group. They can’t live out their religious lives as members? Intolerance alert! Intolerance alert! [/quote]

Alright, now you’re just being unnecessarily difficult.

Joining a group just to preach against its intended purpose is disruptive.
[/quote]

Openly gay joins group that sees openly gay as non-christian. Group is disrupted by the openly displayed/claimed display of sin. Group kicks. Openly gay then furthers disrupts the group by recruiting the authority of the school. This, in order to take action against a group he purposefully joined to disrupt. Don’t BS me. You’re not stupid. He took an activist action. His intention was to disrupt the group and bend it around himself, to accommodate his lifestyle. Don’t sit here playing naive-nancy. Don’t play stupid with me, and I won’t treat you stupid.
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There’s no information on the circumstances of his removal. If he took an activist action, then he should be kicked.

For all we know, he could’ve ‘slipped’ admitted his guilt and been kicked immediately.

[/quote]

Wasn’t he ‘openly’ gay?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
The christian group should disband, join the LGBT group, and begin to hold morality and bible sessions organized under the group’s name. Wait to be asked to leave the group. Laugh. Could even hand out flyers that say, “Join members of [LGBT] group as they defend the traditional definition of marriage this friday, at such and such Hall.” Bwahaha.[/quote]

I hear Jesus was big on revenge.[/quote]

That’s not revenge. That’s living up to the school’s (and yours) definition of tolerance.[/quote]

Could’ve sworn I said people with the sole intention of disrupting a group should be removed a couple of times.

[/quote]

How does it ‘disrupt’ a group? They’re part of the group. They can’t live out their religious lives as members? Intolerance alert! Intolerance alert! [/quote]

Alright, now you’re just being unnecessarily difficult.

Joining a group just to preach against its intended purpose is disruptive.
[/quote]

Openly gay joins group that sees openly gay as non-christian. Group is disrupted by the openly displayed/claimed display of sin. Group kicks. Openly gay then furthers disrupts the group by recruiting the authority of the school. This, in order to take action against a group he purposefully joined to disrupt. Don’t BS me. You’re not stupid. He took an activist action. His intention was to disrupt the group and bend it around himself, to accommodate his lifestyle. Don’t sit here playing naive-nancy. Don’t play stupid with me, and I won’t treat you stupid.
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There’s no information on the circumstances of his removal. If he took an activist action, then he should be kicked.

For all we know, he could’ve ‘slipped’ admitted his guilt and been kicked immediately.

[/quote]

Wasn’t he ‘openly’ gay?
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The only thing required to label yourself as ‘openly’ gay is to not hide your homosexual activities from others.

I’m not going to lie to you and say the scenario you presented isn’t realistic. However it’s not the only realistic possibility.

Many Christians are especially focussed on this particular sin. It wouldn’t surprise me if this individual admitted his “wrong” doing and was immediately removed.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

The only thing required to label yourself as ‘openly’ gay is to not hide your homosexual activities from others.[/quote]

And you honestly believe that this person is now a not-practicing-‘openly’-gay fella? That he want’s the school to make it so he can join back up (if he chose to rejoin) as an ex openly gay fella? And not simply AS an openly gay fella? C’mon, really? Therajraj, you honestly doubt this was activism plain and simple?

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:<<< It was actually a Christian frat. We were incorrectly using club.[/quote]A frat? And they shouldn’t be able to allow or not whoever they wish? Any frat? You people kill me with this kinda idiocy. Who cares? LOL!!! This is what you worry about? When yer all big n growed up you just may realize how utterly inconsequential AND hypocritical this really is. You cry diversity until someone forms a group of a certain kind of people and then you want everybody to be the same.
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Shouldn’t a private school be allowed to govern by any rules they wish? You people kill me with kinda idiocy. Who cares? LOL!! This is what you worry about? When yer all big n growed up you just may realize how utterly inconsequential AND hypocritical this really is. You cry for the right to exclusivity until some private school forms a certain kind of policy and then you want everybody to be the same.
[/quote]I would have never thought even once about this had you not started this thread. Couldn’t possibly care less.

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I’ll just use the biblical principle used by my church. Forgetting exact terminology, a “gay” person seeking to practice their sin in God’s face by refusing to recognize it for what God says it is will not be given communion or baptism and will not be accepted into the fellowship as members in good standing. They would not however be refused entrance to the premises unless they were disruptive or otherwise flagrant in their sin.

ANY person struggling with ANY sin seeking victory for the glory of Jesus will be given the right hand of fellowship, walked beside and prayed for and with for the rest of their lives if that’s what’s needed.

Any meeting for the laity claiming to be Christian, at first blush, should follow that guideline of grace and holiness. I WANT people to hear the gospel and know the love of Christ, gay or not. If they however are motivated by scorn or any sort of evil they should be shunned until that changes.

This is a general principle having nothing necessarily to do with this story in partucular.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
The christian group should disband, join the LGBT group, and begin to hold morality and bible sessions organized under the group’s name. Wait to be asked to leave the group. Laugh. Could even hand out flyers that say, “Join members of [LGBT] group as they defend the traditional definition of marriage this friday, at such and such Hall.” Bwahaha.[/quote]

I hear Jesus was big on revenge.[/quote]

That’s not revenge. That’s living up to the school’s (and yours) definition of tolerance.[/quote]

Could’ve sworn I said people with the sole intention of disrupting a group should be removed a couple of times.

[/quote]

How does it ‘disrupt’ a group? They’re part of the group. They can’t live out their religious lives as members? Intolerance alert! Intolerance alert! [/quote]

Alright, now you’re just being unnecessarily difficult.

Joining a group just to preach against its intended purpose is disruptive.
[/quote]

Openly gay joins group that sees openly gay as non-christian. Group is disrupted by the openly displayed/claimed display of sin. Group kicks. Openly gay then furthers disrupts the group by recruiting the authority of the school. This, in order to take action against a group he purposefully joined to disrupt. Don’t BS me. You’re not stupid. He took an activist action. His intention was to disrupt the group and bend it around himself, to accommodate his lifestyle. Don’t sit here playing naive-nancy. Don’t play stupid with me, and I won’t treat you stupid.
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Good work sloth. I was going to give a very similar example but decided I couldn’t be bothered.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:<<< you honestly doubt this was activism plain and simple? >>>[/quote]Of course he doesn’t. He’s not an idiot as you’ve said. He’s a godless liberal. They have a genetic deficiency whereby their otherwise clear intelligence is unable to function properly in relation to many areas of reality. This guy is probably laughing himself to tears how he lured the gullible leftists into all this hooplah. It’s an attack on Christ. Plain and simple. He couldn’t care less about being a member of this fraternity.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Ratchet wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

So can an openly gay person be a Christian?

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No.[/quote]

I dont believe jesus ever said that…
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Well, you see, all those pesky rules were part of the covenant with the Jewish people and can be safely ignored because Jesus made it all different, EXCEPT… [/quote]

No, sorry. New Testament actually reinforces sexual morality. But thanks for trying. Off to school.
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No, the terms used could have meant anything from male prostitute from soft, lazy and effeminate.

Off to your Greek lessons. [/quote]

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

???[/quote]

Yeah?

So?

Seems to me that you assume quite a lot when it comes to what Paul deemed natural or seemly. [/quote]

“men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another”

And certainly in the context of the old testament…

You are really claiming that the new testament doesn’t same homosexuality is bad? really?

What, in your Greek expertise, is he talking about then?[/quote]

As far as I know he was specifically talking about a part of his flock that moved on to greener, maybe even gayer pastures, worshiping other gods and such which very likely included some solid religious debauchery, maybe including homosexual acts.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Ratchet wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

So can an openly gay person be a Christian?

[/quote]

No.[/quote]

I dont believe jesus ever said that…
[/quote]

Well, you see, all those pesky rules were part of the covenant with the Jewish people and can be safely ignored because Jesus made it all different, EXCEPT… [/quote]

No, sorry. New Testament actually reinforces sexual morality. But thanks for trying. Off to school.
[/quote]

No, the terms used could have meant anything from male prostitute from soft, lazy and effeminate.

Off to your Greek lessons. [/quote]

Stop trolling. Christ himself restates the composition of marriage, where sex is proper. Male and female. Homosexual sex is then always sinful. Just knock it off.
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So?

He also said it was not for everyone.

According to some interpretations, each and every one of them carrying as much weight as yours?

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Ratchet wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

So can an openly gay person be a Christian?

[/quote]

No.[/quote]

I dont believe jesus ever said that…
[/quote]

Well, you see, all those pesky rules were part of the covenant with the Jewish people and can be safely ignored because Jesus made it all different, EXCEPT… [/quote]

No, sorry. New Testament actually reinforces sexual morality. But thanks for trying. Off to school.
[/quote]

No, the terms used could have meant anything from male prostitute from soft, lazy and effeminate.

Off to your Greek lessons. [/quote]

Stop trolling. Christ himself restates the composition of marriage, where sex is proper. Male and female. Homosexual sex is then always sinful. Just knock it off.
[/quote]

So?

He also said it was not for everyone.

According to some interpretations, each and every one of them carrying as much weight as yours?[/quote]

Orion, whatever. I’m not in the mood for this anymore. Honestly, I think you’re just saying stuff again, just to have stuff to stubbornly argue. Someone else can spin their wheels with you.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
The dubious quest for tolerance typically leads to intolerance.[/quote]

Yup.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Ratchet wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

So can an openly gay person be a Christian?

[/quote]

No.[/quote]

I dont believe jesus ever said that…
[/quote]

Well, you see, all those pesky rules were part of the covenant with the Jewish people and can be safely ignored because Jesus made it all different, EXCEPT… [/quote]

If you knew what you were talking about, you’d understand there is no place for ‘except’.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Ratchet wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

So can an openly gay person be a Christian?

[/quote]

No.[/quote]

I dont believe jesus ever said that…
[/quote]

Well, you see, all those pesky rules were part of the covenant with the Jewish people and can be safely ignored because Jesus made it all different, EXCEPT… [/quote]

No, sorry. New Testament actually reinforces sexual morality. But thanks for trying. Off to school.
[/quote]

No, the terms used could have meant anything from male prostitute from soft, lazy and effeminate.

Off to your Greek lessons. [/quote]

Oh, do provide your proof. Don’t leave us hanging.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Ratchet wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

So can an openly gay person be a Christian?

[/quote]

No.[/quote]

I dont believe jesus ever said that…
[/quote]

Well, you see, all those pesky rules were part of the covenant with the Jewish people and can be safely ignored because Jesus made it all different, EXCEPT… [/quote]

No, sorry. New Testament actually reinforces sexual morality. But thanks for trying. Off to school.
[/quote]

No, the terms used could have meant anything from male prostitute from soft, lazy and effeminate.

Off to your Greek lessons. [/quote]

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

???[/quote]

Yeah?

So?

Seems to me that you assume quite a lot when it comes to what Paul deemed natural or seemly. [/quote]

If you read it context it wouldn’t be that mysterious.

Again I feel the need to hammer the point that you actually need to read the Bible to “know” what it says.

There can be some odd and sometimes ambiguous things in the Bible, homosexual acts are not one of them, they are condemned cover to cover.