Come on. You can’t seriously be comparing the inappropriateness of a live fucking crocodile in a group setting to the inappropriateness of an openly-gay person in a church-focused interest group?[/quote]
I was making a point about relativism. Also, he’s trying to argue against the right of a Christian church to exclude non-Christians yet the example he gives is an Indian Student group that DOESN’T allow people who aren’t Indian students to join.[/quote]
I was actually making the opposite point.
Non-Indians were welcomed.
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As members? No. Not welcome to become a member of an Indian student group unless you are an Indian student. And that sounds perfectly logical and in fact it is the right of any private organisation. My point.
Come on. You can’t seriously be comparing the inappropriateness of a live fucking crocodile in a group setting to the inappropriateness of an openly-gay person in a church-focused interest group?[/quote]
I was making a point about relativism. Also, he’s trying to argue against the right of a Christian church to exclude non-Christians yet the example he gives is an Indian Student group that DOESN’T allow people who aren’t Indian students to join.[/quote]
I was actually making the opposite point.
Non-Indians were welcomed.
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As members? No. Not welcome to become a member of an Indian student group unless you are an Indian student. And that sounds perfectly logical and in fact it is the right of any private organisation. My point.[/quote]
Yes as members.
The difference here is that this one is run through the school.
Universities should be especially welcoming environments. If you want to start an exclusionary group, meet off campus.
[quote]therajraj wrote:<<< It was actually a Christian frat. We were incorrectly using club.[/quote]A frat? And they shouldn’t be able to allow or not whoever they wish? Any frat? You people kill me with this kinda idiocy. Who cares? LOL!!! This is what you worry about?
When yer all big n growed up you just may realize how utterly inconsequential AND hypocritical this really is. You cry diversity until someone forms a group of a certain kind of people and then you want everybody to be the same.
The difference here is that this one is run through the school.
Universities should be especially welcoming environments. If you want to start an exclusionary group, meet off campus.[/quote]
Nonsense. Also a student body designed to represent the interests of a minority group can and should exclude others from joining. If you want to start a multi-cultural group on campus do so. If you want to start an Indian student association do so. It is unconstitutional - and rightly so - for the government to take away that right of free association.
[quote]therajraj wrote:<<< It was actually a Christian frat. We were incorrectly using club.[/quote]A frat? And they shouldn’t be able to allow or not whoever they wish? Any frat? You people kill me with this kinda idiocy. Who cares? LOL!!! This is what you worry about? When yer all big n growed up you just may realize how utterly inconsequential AND hypocritical this really is. You cry diversity until someone forms a group of a certain kind of people and then you want everybody to be the same.
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Shouldn’t a private school be allowed to govern by any rules they wish? You people kill me with kinda idiocy. Who cares? LOL!! This is what you worry about? When yer all big n growed up you just may realize how utterly inconsequential AND hypocritical this really is. You cry for the right to exclusivity until some private school forms a certain kind of policy and then you want everybody to be the same.
The difference here is that this one is run through the school.
Universities should be especially welcoming environments. If you want to start an exclusionary group, meet off campus.[/quote]
Nonsense. Also a student body designed to represent the interests of a minority group can and should exclude others from joining. If you want to start a multi-cultural group on campus do so. If you want to start an Indian student association do so. It is unconstitutional - and rightly so - for the government to take away that right of free association.[/quote]
Yes, but in this case we’re talking about a private institution limiting the right of free association, not a state-affiliated entity.
The difference here is that this one is run through the school.
Universities should be especially welcoming environments. If you want to start an exclusionary group, meet off campus.[/quote]
Nonsense. Also a student body designed to represent the interests of a minority group can and should exclude others from joining. If you want to start a multi-cultural group on campus do so. If you want to start an Indian student association do so. It is unconstitutional - and rightly so - for the government to take away that right of free association.[/quote]
Yes, but in this case we’re talking about a private institution limiting the right of free association, not a state-affiliated entity.[/quote]
Private club, private rules. /thread.
Universities should be especially welcoming environments. If you want to start an exclusionary group, meet off campus.[/quote]
Oh the irony of that contradictory statement.[/quote]
Tell me, which of these options is discriminatory to you?
Allow groups to meet on campus, but prohibit them from discriminating on the basis of certain critera.
or
Allow groups to discriminate under any criteria they see fit and allow them to meet on campus.
You can make a case they are both discriminatory policies to some extent.
Now the next logical question to ask is which provides the greater net benefit to the school? Unless you can convince me otherwise, the clear answer is option #1.
Allow PAYING students the opportunity to join almost EVERY group and force a few 100 people to make a slight compromise. There are 12,000+ students attending Vanderbilt currently.
The christian group should disband, join the LGBT group, and begin to hold morality and bible sessions organized under the group’s name. Wait to be asked to leave the group. Laugh. Could even hand out flyers that say, “Join members of [LGBT] group as they defend the traditional definition of marriage this friday, at such and such Hall.” Bwahaha.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
The christian group should disband, join the LGBT group, and begin to hold morality and bible sessions organized under the group’s name. Wait to be asked to leave the group. Laugh. Could even hand out flyers that say, “Join members of [LGBT] group as they defend the traditional definition of marriage this friday, at such and such Hall.” Bwahaha.[/quote]
[quote]Sloth wrote:
The christian group should disband, join the LGBT group, and begin to hold morality and bible sessions organized under the group’s name. Wait to be asked to leave the group. Laugh. Could even hand out flyers that say, “Join members of [LGBT] group as they defend the traditional definition of marriage this friday, at such and such Hall.” Bwahaha.[/quote]
I hear Jesus was big on revenge.[/quote]
That’s not revenge. That’s living up to the school’s (and yours) definition of tolerance.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
The christian group should disband, join the LGBT group, and begin to hold morality and bible sessions organized under the group’s name. Wait to be asked to leave the group. Laugh. Could even hand out flyers that say, “Join members of [LGBT] group as they defend the traditional definition of marriage this friday, at such and such Hall.” Bwahaha.[/quote]
I hear Jesus was big on revenge.[/quote]
That’s not revenge. That’s living up to the school’s (and yours) definition of tolerance.[/quote]
Could’ve sworn I said people with the sole intention of disrupting a group should be removed a couple of times.
Heck therajraj, maybe the Christians could even recruit devout Muslims and Jews (they’d probably have some moral ideas in common, after all) to the LGBT club. Then they could recruit what otherwise would be science club members, political club members—heck, any non-sexually orientated recruit. What a big chaotic ball of tolerance that would be! No orientation, affiliation, religiosity, ideology, academic or athletic interest, left out…in the LGBT club!
