[quote]DominicanDL wrote:
Can you imagine what this animal could deadlift?[/quote]
Probably about 700lbs.
Lets not have any illusions, OL 1st pulls and deadlifts are a completly different beast.
Hanley I hope you are kidding. Mark Henry pulled 935 and he wasn’t even in the same league as Rezazadeh. I’m 100% certain Rezazadeh could pull more than that. Take a look at Mikhail Koklyaev. He clean and jerked 250kilo in competition and went straight over to stronmgan where hes deadlifting 930+ (tire deadlift) and there is video on youtube of him pulling 400 kilo (880lb) fairly easily. Again, Rezazadeh is out of his league, so 700lbs is pretty much a slap in the face to the strongest man on earth.
[quote]bomber221 wrote:
Hanley I hope you are kidding. Mark Henry pulled 935 and he wasn’t even in the same league as Rezazadeh. I’m 100% certain Rezazadeh could pull more than that. Take a look at Mikhail Koklyaev. He clean and jerked 250kilo in competition and went straight over to stronmgan where hes deadlifting 930+ (tire deadlift) and there is video on youtube of him pulling 400 kilo (880lb) fairly easily. Again, Rezazadeh is out of his league, so 700lbs is pretty much a slap in the face to the strongest man on earth. [/quote]
Strongest man on earth?? Don’t make me fucking laugh. Most powerful maybe. But certainly not the strongest.
I should have said about 600lbs because I’ve never seen him pull anymore than that. Listen asking what he can deadlift is like asking what andy bolton can clean.
Stupids comparisons like these devaluate great accomplishments. Every code of lifting has its fan boys who think their guy is would rule all the others if they wanted. Andy could out clean Reza, Reza could do the atlas stones faster than Pudz, and Pudz could just whip everyone if he really wanted (while competing in bodybuilding).
I sincerly doubt Reza does any actual deadlifts in training (I would imagine he does mostly high pulls, and sine his jerk is what’s lagging I doubt he even pays much attention to differing forms of pulls) so asking what he can deadlift is completly pointless.
[quote]bomber221 wrote:
Hanley I hope you are kidding. Mark Henry pulled 935 and he wasn’t even in the same league as Rezazadeh. I’m 100% certain Rezazadeh could pull more than that.[/quote]
I most definately call BULLSHIT on that. Mark was a competitive powerlifter and trained his deadlift to become very fucking strong.
Reza is the best O-lifter in the world right now, and if he pushed himself would probably be the best of all time, but he is most definately not a powerlifter so, so please don’t devaluate powerlifting by making stupid statements that are clearly false.
So ignore my point about koklyaev jumping right into strongman and being a huge deadlifter. I never insulted powerlifters, i was making truthful statements about Henry and Koklyaev’s deadlifts and then assuming rezazadeh could do more based on the fact that his pulls are that much more explosive than both of theirs.
If that is being a fanboy and insulting your sport than so be it, but I am a fanboy of all strength sports it just seems I have come to certain realizations of the benefits of explosive power that you have not.
I originally trained with powerlifters before I just began olympic lifting and most of my friends are strongmen now so I know all about those sports and follow them very closely. Most of my strongman friends openly discuss while watching the IFSA and olympic lifting that the olympic lifters would be huge deadlifters if they converted to strongman. Keep this in mind, the explosive power needed to snatch close to 500lbs (a lift that happens in 1 second flat for or less for most lifters) and the power generated in a close to 600lb clean that happens just about as quick, translate to MUCH higher weight moved at slower speeds. Also, the presumption about form that you made earlier is false. Since learning proper form on the clean, it is almost impossible for me to deadlift with bad form. My form has improved tenfold.
I dont want to turn this thread into an argument as to what is better, olympic lifting or powerlifting so it is important to realize that champion olympic lifters typically start training long before powerlifters (age-wise), don’t need to work a 9-5, and can spend all day all week worrying about training and recovery while performing explosive pulls / squats and presses for the years in their life that are most beneficial to strength and muscle gains. After taking that into account, why is it so hard to realize that the strongest man in the world may very well be in olympic lifting?
First off, I compete in both too. So don’t try and throw that in my face.
Strongman deadlifts cannot be compared to powerlifting ones. The start position is elevated 18 inchs right?? When you really load the bar up on these the plates probably only move 6 inches and the rest of the travel is due to bar flexion.
As far as I’m aware the current 18 inch deadlift record is 1100+ lbs and it was pulled as an exibtion lift at night of the living dead back in october, set by Mike Nease if I remember correctly.
A mid 900lb strongman pull isn’t exactly world record breaking material if thats the case, it is however insanely strong.
And that’s assuming Reza could even pull that which none of us can even be sure of.
If anything, squatting strength is a better indicator of OL ability rather than the deadlift. As I’m sure you realise, on clean and jerks the bar isn’t going to move much past your middle abs on the inital pull. It’s then all about leg strength.
That’s the principal reason I don’t believe Reza could pull 900+. Secondaly, you just dont cross over sports and pull that weight without training for it. I don’t care who you are, it doesn’t happen.
And finally, and the absolute most important point, NO ONE on here has ever seen Reza pull an even close to max deadlift so there’s absolutely no way of saying for certain that he could pull X amount of weight.
And before you turn it around on me, it’s alot more unlikely he can do it that it is likely.
Also, Reza isn’t even the strongest weightlifter of all time so it’s a bit rich to go calling him the worlds strongest man.(heh heh heh, let the flaming begin on that one)
Hanley, I agree with most of what you are saying. I’m an olympic lifter and there is not much correlation between the first pull and the DL - I doubt that he does much DLing. That said, I’ve heard that he squats around 500 kg. These are full back squats. So I’d think he’d pull over 800 without much problem and could get that up with relative ease, if he trained it.
But your point is well taken. Apples and oranges. But when my squat is up my DL - should I decide to train it - is invariably be up as well.
Let’s face it. They guy is an olympic lifter NOT a powerlifter. Asking an O-lifter to do the powerlifts would be like asking Da Vinci to paint your bathroom.
[quote]DS 007 wrote:
Let’s face it. They guy is an olympic lifter NOT a powerlifter. Asking an O-lifter to do the powerlifts would be like asking Da Vinci to paint your bathroom.[/quote]
That would be a nice bathroom.
Thank god somebody gets it.
I sincerly doubt he’s putting up 500kg a2g back squats tho. That’s damn over 1100 lbs like!!
I’ve seen a vid of him front squatting 700lbs for 2 (I think those are the numbers). So I wouldnt be surprised if he was putting up 400ish kg/900lbs on back squats, 500kg seems a bit too much of a stretch tho.
I wish I had a good squat/DL correlation. When my squat goes up my pull goes no where, and sometimes even down.
[quote]DS 007 wrote:
Hanley, I agree with most of what you are saying. I’m an olympic lifter and there is not much correlation between the first pull and the DL - I doubt that he does much DLing. That said, I’ve heard that he squats around 500 kg. These are full back squats. So I’d think he’d pull over 800 without much problem and could get that up with relative ease, if he trained it.
But your point is well taken. Apples and oranges. But when my squat is up my DL - should I decide to train it - is invariably be up as well.
Let’s face it. They guy is an olympic lifter NOT a powerlifter. Asking an O-lifter to do the powerlifts would be like asking Da Vinci to paint your bathroom.[/quote]
[quote]Hanley wrote:
First off, I compete in both too. So don’t try and throw that in my face.[/quote]
Very hostile still i see. I’m not trying to yell at you and say you know nothing, just discussing something…
[quote]Strongman deadlifts cannot be compared to powerlifting ones. The start position is elevated 18 inchs right?? When you really load the bar up on these the plates probably only move 6 inches and the rest of the travel is due to bar flexion.
As far as I’m aware the current 18 inch deadlift record is 1100+ lbs and it was pulled as an exibtion lift at night of the living dead back in october, set by Mike Nease if I remember correctly.
A mid 900lb strongman pull isn’t exactly world record breaking material if thats the case, it is however insanely strong.
And that’s assuming Reza could even pull that which none of us can even be sure of.[/quote]
Reread my post, Koklyaev did 880 (video on youtube) with im sure only a month of two of training the deadlift tops… Probably less after reading his interview where he said converting to strongman was a spur of the moment decision. I was never saying he would break the record in the deadlift out of no where. You made the claim he could do 700lbs or less? (LOL) When I said he could do more than Koklyaev / Henry because he was more explosive with bigger weights.
Just take a look at when he pulls in the clean. He is expressionless and the weight moves so smoothly and quickly it is scary. If that was a close to max effort clean pull then he could still deadlift more, but I believe thats not even close to testing his max.
I agree squatting strength is the major indicator. I’m not too worried about Reza’s first pull with a month or two of training and the explosiveness of his second pull would make lockouts quite easy.
Just for info discussing squat poundages. I heard MILO interviewed Dimas around a decade ago and he said his max back squat was 320kg as a 83kg lifter.
[quote]That’s the principal reason I don’t believe Reza could pull 900+. Secondaly, you just dont cross over sports and pull that weight without training for it. I don’t care who you are, it doesn’t happen.
And finally, and the absolute most important point, NO ONE on here has ever seen Reza pull an even close to max deadlift so there’s absolutely no way of saying for certain that he could pull X amount of weight.[/quote]
That is true, we are both speculating. but you are giving them very little credit (700 lbs or less?). I wonder what their reaction would be if you told them thats what you thought they could deadlift… My guess is you might be eaten or Reza would pick up 600lbs with one hand and throw it at you (OKOK joking… only about the throwing weight part though…)
[quote]And before you turn it around on me, it’s alot more unlikely he can do it that it is likely.
Also, Reza isn’t even the strongest weightlifter of all time so it’s a bit rich to go calling him the worlds strongest man.(heh heh heh, let the flaming begin on that one)[/quote]
That is true, hes not. Is pudzianowski the best strongman ever? No, but people call him the world strongest man even though Sigmarsson is still believed by most to be the best ever. In my mind there are three people who could be called the strongest man in the world. Puzianowski, Savickas or Rezazadeh (Maybe Bolton too) depending on how you look at it. I choose to look at my way and you choose to look at it your way but one thing is for sure we will never know for a number of reasons.
I happen to believe it is very likely he can pull over 900lbs within a month or two of being exposed to the lift. There was actually a conversation about deadlifts + olympic lifters on another board. The conclusion that I made was that even tho the lifters who posted their deadlift numbers werent top of line lifters, all the explosive pulls translated to much higher deadlifts than i thought they would (solid german 90kilo lifter pulled 300kilo and this isnt recently while following todays better training methodologies). If a 90kilo lifter that competed nationally but not internationally in germany could pull 660lbs what makes you think the best superheavyweight lifter in the world at this moment cant pull 900 or better?
Finally, to clear some things up. Do I think Reza could jump over and break Bolton’s record immediately? Absolutely not.I believe he is, however, capable of deadlifting a lot more than you give him credit for which is what this is about.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
Thank god somebody gets it.
I sincerly doubt he’s putting up 500kg a2g back squats tho. That’s damn over 1100 lbs like!!
I’ve seen a vid of him front squatting 700lbs for 2 (I think those are the numbers). So I wouldnt be surprised if he was putting up 400ish kg/900lbs on back squats, 500kg seems a bit too much of a stretch tho.
I wish I had a good squat/DL correlation. When my squat goes up my pull goes no where, and sometimes even down.
DS 007 wrote:
Hanley, I agree with most of what you are saying. I’m an olympic lifter and there is not much correlation between the first pull and the DL - I doubt that he does much DLing. That said, I’ve heard that he squats around 500 kg. These are full back squats. So I’d think he’d pull over 800 without much problem and could get that up with relative ease, if he trained it.
But your point is well taken. Apples and oranges. But when my squat is up my DL - should I decide to train it - is invariably be up as well.
Let’s face it. They guy is an olympic lifter NOT a powerlifter. Asking an O-lifter to do the powerlifts would be like asking Da Vinci to paint your bathroom.
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I didn’t believe the 500 kg. number either. But I heard it from an Eastern European lifter at last year’s Arnold Classic. He bought it. So that’s all I got to go on.