[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
… lets get back to the original question for Christs sake you bunch of fucking idiots.
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Christ drank sake? I had no idea he was Japanese.
[quote]Petermus wrote:
Homosexuality is a sin. Sins are all weighed equally whether its lying or stealing or acting on homosexual feelings. The main problem with homosexuality is people feel it is an identity. So as a homosexual christian you would be saying I’m a sinner and I will always sin in this way no matter what because I think its ok. Christians believe God changes you as a person so you can conquer your sin through christ. Feeling like something is part of your identity isn’t an excuses… its like saying I’m a guy and guys lust after women naturally so its cool but lust is of course a sin and you should fight against lust.
regardless, I dont hate homosexual people. Christ changes you…so bringing people to christ is better then shunning them away for being sinners…were all sinners. I’ll also comment on the wiping out a species thing… We are stewards of the earth. God gave us power over animals…he didnt say fuck up the whole earth. your friend has a bit of a perspective issue. [/quote]
What about the billions of people following other religions… are they wrong in doing so… are the other religions incorrect.
I’m not religious… just never quite understood how someone could say their religion etc… is the “right one” when there are so many…(not saying you said this, just popped into my head).
[quote]Amiright wrote:
[quote]Petermus wrote:
Homosexuality is a sin. Sins are all weighed equally whether its lying or stealing or acting on homosexual feelings. The main problem with homosexuality is people feel it is an identity. So as a homosexual christian you would be saying I’m a sinner and I will always sin in this way no matter what because I think its ok. Christians believe God changes you as a person so you can conquer your sin through christ. Feeling like something is part of your identity isn’t an excuses… its like saying I’m a guy and guys lust after women naturally so its cool but lust is of course a sin and you should fight against lust.
regardless, I dont hate homosexual people. Christ changes you…so bringing people to christ is better then shunning them away for being sinners…were all sinners. I’ll also comment on the wiping out a species thing… We are stewards of the earth. God gave us power over animals…he didnt say fuck up the whole earth. your friend has a bit of a perspective issue. [/quote]
What about the billions of people following other religions… are they wrong in doing so… are the other religions incorrect.
I’m not religious… just never quite understood how someone could say their religion etc… is the “right one” when there are so many…(not saying you said this, just popped into my head).
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I had a pastor who described God/Jesus like this.
God is like gravity, you can say gravity does not exist. you can believe it goes not exist. But climb up a building and jump off and you will find it does exist. I think he point was you can say God does not exist but you will find out after death that he does.
I guess people of religion have faith that theres is real.
And to the people quoting levitcus, alot of those rules were set aside for the priests/high preist. I think God put those rules in place to see how much love and fear there was for him.
[quote]Mr octurbo wrote:
[quote]Amiright wrote:
[quote]Petermus wrote:
Homosexuality is a sin. Sins are all weighed equally whether its lying or stealing or acting on homosexual feelings. The main problem with homosexuality is people feel it is an identity. So as a homosexual christian you would be saying I’m a sinner and I will always sin in this way no matter what because I think its ok. Christians believe God changes you as a person so you can conquer your sin through christ. Feeling like something is part of your identity isn’t an excuses… its like saying I’m a guy and guys lust after women naturally so its cool but lust is of course a sin and you should fight against lust.
regardless, I dont hate homosexual people. Christ changes you…so bringing people to christ is better then shunning them away for being sinners…were all sinners. I’ll also comment on the wiping out a species thing… We are stewards of the earth. God gave us power over animals…he didnt say fuck up the whole earth. your friend has a bit of a perspective issue. [/quote]
What about the billions of people following other religions… are they wrong in doing so… are the other religions incorrect.
I’m not religious… just never quite understood how someone could say their religion etc… is the “right one” when there are so many…(not saying you said this, just popped into my head).
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I had a pastor who described God/Jesus like this.
God is like gravity, you can say gravity does not exist. you can believe it goes not exist. But climb up a building and jump off and you will find it does exist. I think he point was you can say God does not exist but you will find out after death that he does.
I guess people of religion have faith that theres is real.
And to the people quoting levitcus, alot of those rules were set aside for the priests/high preist. I think God put those rules in place to see how much love and fear there was for him.[/quote]
What about the religions that don’t have a “God” or this specific “God”… what I don’t understand… not even arguing if religion is right or wrong(as in big bang happened etc…) How are you so certain you chose the right religion.
psh and gravity… thats just space bending 
Edit: we should really get back to lesbians tbh…
[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
I had a discussion with a client of mine today regarding another gym member who is a lesbian. This client of mine is what many would consider “a good christian man” (the only reason I have a problem with that statement is that I don’t think saying someone was a “good Muslim man” would be acceptable).
Anyhow we got into a discussion about homosexuality and he was seriously bent out of shape over the whole thing. Since I know how to ruffle his feathers I asked him what was a bigger deal, wiping an entire species of animal of the face of the earth, or this specific homosexual situation we were discussing. As expected he said the homosexual relationship and that If I had read the bible I would know we have dominion over animals so it doesn’t matter what we do. I kindof find that whole premise a little ridiculous but was curious to hear what others think, religious nuts included.[/quote]
I’m not sure what the Muslim statement is about either, even Blessed Mother Teresa said we should help Muslims become better Muslims. And I would say that wiping an entire species out would be worse, that is just bad stewardship. The women in this case could change and stop living in sin, the former cannot be change after it was done. Just because we have dominion over the animals does not mean we should destroy the whole species, that is just absurd and not even close to how a business should go.
God, an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent potential creator of the universe, laid down a trivial textile-related rule to see how people felt about him?
Or some guy just made it up.
[quote]UtahIron wrote:
Everything will be sorted out at the end anyways.
-Nick[/quote]
exactly. it’s not our business. everything will be sorted out in the end.
[quote]Ronsauce wrote:
God, an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent potential creator of the universe, laid down a trivial textile-related rule to see how people felt about him?
Or some guy just made it up.[/quote]
I’d say the latter. The most interesting thing about religion:
“I’m a true Christian and very devoted to my religion?”
What were your parents? “Christian”
Repeat for Islam, Judaism, etc, etc… Ok so you just happened to think this through really well and happen to believe the exact same thing as your parents? And this is true time and time again? Sure there are some who switch out here and there, but largely you stay with what you knew as a child, or the most convenient religion in your country. Why don’t you see more born again Muslims or Jews stateside? Doesn’t make any sense unless your just exposed to more Christian teaching so you go that route. This is a big thing, a belief in an all-powerful creator. Is it really because it makes sense or because it is the most readily available and doesnt have a negative stigma like Islam does stateside. Its the same way music labels basically create popular music, putting it out there, people are sheep there going to gather around.
[quote]Ronsauce wrote:
God, an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent potential creator of the universe, laid down a trivial textile-related rule to see how people felt about him?
Or some guy just made it up.[/quote]
You will find out after death that indeed god made this rule. You will only be able to comprehend it once you are dead and freed from the shackles of the human mind. Needless to say it’s REALLY important.
V
shadowzz… it’s not convenient to be a christian.
I know allot of people who who say “I’m Christian” they do not say “I’m A Christian” which is how I know they are more than likely not a saved “true” Christian, a person who accepts Christ as there own and personal savior knows they are a “Christ-one” a Christian.
As I said before tho, no one should judge anyone else for there beleifs. The only one who has the authority to judge is God. As they say “At the name of Jesus every knee shall bow” All that it means to be a Christian is that we had a specific moment in our lives in which we trusted that Christ died for our personal sins on the cross of Calvary, and that we trust that he was our substitute for our sins, that he died in our place, after we trust this and believe it, we know that we now have an advocate with the father God). It doesn’t mean that we can’t sin anymore, but that God forgives us because we have trusted his son as our own and personal savior.
Sin is Sin.
But as was mentioned earlier in this thread Living by the Bible in this day and age especially the Old testiment scriptures is near impossible, so we must just do our best, treat everyone with respect and love and pray for guidance.
Anyways that my little rant, feel free to post up more pics! 
[quote]ladieslove wrote:
shadowzz… it’s not convenient to be a christian.
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Christianity seems like the easiest of the religions. There aren’t any difficult rules or rituals to follow. And, even if you do fuck up, Jesus can magically wipe it away. Buddhists and Hindus sometimes need to work for several lifetimes to achieve their goal, while Christians automatically achieve their goal by faith in Jesus. Religion can’t get much more convenient or easy than that.
God invented lesbians.
Let us praise him by posting more pics.
[quote]Mr octurbo wrote:
[quote]Amiright wrote:
[quote]Petermus wrote:
Homosexuality is a sin. Sins are all weighed equally whether its lying or stealing or acting on homosexual feelings. The main problem with homosexuality is people feel it is an identity. So as a homosexual christian you would be saying I’m a sinner and I will always sin in this way no matter what because I think its ok. Christians believe God changes you as a person so you can conquer your sin through christ. Feeling like something is part of your identity isn’t an excuses… its like saying I’m a guy and guys lust after women naturally so its cool but lust is of course a sin and you should fight against lust.
regardless, I dont hate homosexual people. Christ changes you…so bringing people to christ is better then shunning them away for being sinners…were all sinners. I’ll also comment on the wiping out a species thing… We are stewards of the earth. God gave us power over animals…he didnt say fuck up the whole earth. your friend has a bit of a perspective issue. [/quote]
What about the billions of people following other religions… are they wrong in doing so… are the other religions incorrect.
I’m not religious… just never quite understood how someone could say their religion etc… is the “right one” when there are so many…(not saying you said this, just popped into my head).
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And to the people quoting levitcus, alot of those rules were set aside for the priests/high preist. I think God put those rules in place to see how much love and fear there was for him.[/quote]
If that’s your argument, then why can’t the same be said for any other sin?
[quote]Nancy Boy wrote:
[quote]ladieslove wrote:
shadowzz… it’s not convenient to be a christian.
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Christianity seems like the easiest of the religions. There aren’t any difficult rules or rituals to follow. And, even if you do fuck up, Jesus can magically wipe it away. Buddhists and Hindus sometimes need to work for several lifetimes to achieve their goal, while Christians automatically achieve their goal by faith in Jesus. Religion can’t get much more convinient or easy than that.[/quote]
i understand what you’re saying.
What i mean is, as a Christian, i’m judged pretty harshly by people around me. I can’t say, “I’m a Christian” without someone reaming me out for hating gays or whatever. Most people don’t know enough about Christianity.
i may be a Christian… but i’m also an awesome person… mega awesome in fact.
i don’t push my religion on anyone, i believe what i want and i expect people to let me.
[quote]ladieslove wrote:
[quote]Nancy Boy wrote:
[quote]ladieslove wrote:
shadowzz… it’s not convenient to be a christian.
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Christianity seems like the easiest of the religions. There aren’t any difficult rules or rituals to follow. And, even if you do fuck up, Jesus can magically wipe it away. Buddhists and Hindus sometimes need to work for several lifetimes to achieve their goal, while Christians automatically achieve their goal by faith in Jesus. Religion can’t get much more convinient or easy than that.[/quote]
i understand what you’re saying.
What i mean is, as a Christian, i’m judged pretty harshly by people around me. I can’t say, “I’m a Christian” without someone reaming me out for hating gays or whatever. Most people don’t know enough about Christianity.
i may be a Christian… but i’m also an awesome person… mega awesome in fact.
i don’t push my religion on anyone, i believe what i want and i expect people to let me.
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Yes, ladieslove, you are…Mega Awesome.
[quote]Mr octurbo wrote:
I had a pastor who described God/Jesus like this.
God is like gravity, you can say gravity does not exist. you can believe it goes not exist. But climb up a building and jump off and you will find it does exist. I think he point was you can say God does not exist but you will find out after death that he does.
I guess people of religion have faith that theres is real.
And to the people quoting levitcus, alot of those rules were set aside for the priests/high preist. I think God put those rules in place to see how much love and fear there was for him.[/quote]
First off, your pastor obviously never took a physics class, because there are places where gravity basically does not exist (not on the earths surface though).
The whole thing about faith and believing in God can never be proven. This arguement will go on forever, because some people believe and some dont.
However, if man does prove that God exists, at that moment in time, faith and believing no longer mean anything. Why? Because its easy to place all your money on a bet when you already know the outcome. So, if it was proven that God exists, then of course everyone would all the sudden be a born again Christian, and it would be meaningless because they already know the outcome.
[quote]smithers584 wrote:
[quote]Mr octurbo wrote:
I had a pastor who described God/Jesus like this.
God is like gravity, you can say gravity does not exist. you can believe it goes not exist. But climb up a building and jump off and you will find it does exist. I think he point was you can say God does not exist but you will find out after death that he does.
I guess people of religion have faith that theres is real.
And to the people quoting levitcus, alot of those rules were set aside for the priests/high preist. I think God put those rules in place to see how much love and fear there was for him.[/quote]
First off, your pastor obviously never took a physics class, because there are places where gravity basically does not exist (not on the earths surface though).
The whole thing about faith and believing in God can never be proven. This arguement will go on forever, because some people believe and some dont.
However, if man does prove that God exists, at that moment in time, faith and believing no longer mean anything. Why? Because its easy to place all your money on a bet when you already know the outcome. So, if it was proven that God exists, then of course everyone would all the sudden be a born again Christian, and it would be meaningless because they already know the outcome.[/quote]
THAT is an excellent point
So what you’re saying is religious people are simply hedging their bets?
That, or God is petty the way girls can be. “I shouldn’t have to tell you. You should just know!”
[quote]Ronsauce wrote:
So what you’re saying is religious people are simply hedging their bets?
That, or God is petty the way girls can be. “I shouldn’t have to tell you. You should just know!”[/quote]
No, religious people now are fully invested in their beliefs, regardless of what others may or may not be able to prove to them (ideally, not always the case in practice), and even when its the unpopular choice or times get hard (in fact, thats when their faith seems to strengthen). They are giving their full trust in the Lord, without actually knowing the outcome. A little different than hedging. Hedging would be more like if they were playing both sides of the fence, which some people try and do. But, saying your religious and practicing a good religious life are too different things, and God can easily distinguish between the two, as well as most people.
In fact, most dont care if you can prove it or not, they are that set in their ways, like me for example. I have experienced things in my life that have made me a firm believer, nothing anyone will do will ever change that.
As far as the petty thing, its not like that. In fact, if you pay attention to life, God does tell you he exists, its just whether or not you want to acknowledge these acts as Gods work or some type of phenomena.