First, I’ve been around this board for a while. I decided to get a new name–something more obscure. On to the intended post:
I’ve been looking into making a painless, high concentration testosterone solution. If anyone is interested here’s what I used.
15 g testosterone enanthate powder
14.4 ml guaiacol
0.6 ml benzoic acid
yields 500mg/ml 30ml
For those who don’t know, guaiacol is the “super solvent” used in some kits. I got 100ml of it for $12 I think. Apparently is has some analgesic properties. That, along with only 2% BA, should make this relatively painless.
I’ve never used guaiacol before, and haven’t used this homebrew batch yet. Anyone have experience with this solvent?
Does 500mg hold with only .2% BA? If I tried it at that concentration - it would crash like a drunk man driving bumper cars.
I have not tried the stuff you mention unless that was what was in the magic oil I used to use.
I have been looking at using Ethyl Oleate, which is supposed to allow you to make high concentration, painless gear.
The 2% BA is just for sterilization, the powder dissolved readily into the guaiacol with only minor heating. I’m thinking I used too much though. There isn’t a whole lot of information about it out there as far as use in injectables. The patent (from 1958) says something about 1 part guaiacol to 2 parts test propionate to dissolve it.
I’m thinking I might need to cut it down a bit. ~50% might be excessive. Those who mention it in homebrew/lab settings say it’s a great solvent, but don’t mention concentrations.
The MSDS (http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Guaiacol-9924208) says it’s toxic, though in much higher doses than I would be using (much like BA). However, it has CNS-toxic effects, and would wonder about long-term use.
I used it to make winny in oil at 1g winny to 2ml guaiacol. the end product was 20ml at 50mg/ml. That’s essentially 0.1 ml per day. I guess my question is: at what level would I begin experiencing problems, and what would any long-term, low-dose implications be?
Here’s some info about guaiacol on another board. The info at the bottom is what I used to make the TE.
Super Solvent.
People have been using Mr.T’s “super solvent” in hard to create concentrations for some time now. The main chemical is a very potent solvent, but not a bacteriostatic or bacteriocidal agent like the other potent solvent benzyl alcohol. therefore it is require that you add such an agent as Mr.T has done with his kits.
Here is the chemical that is used in those kits; Guaiacol AKA, alpha-Methoxyphenol , or Pyrocatechol Monomethyl Ether.
Molecular properties can be found here: ortho-guaiacol, 90-05-1
Guaiacol has been shown to have anesthesic properties, though to what extent I can’t comment personally on. This fact is probably why solutions in high concentrations using the super solvent are reported to be painless or nearly painless by users.
Guaiacol is a creosote derivative and is commonly used in cough and cold medications in the US.
It has been shown to have irritating properties on inhalation, injestion, or skin contact in high quantities. It permeates the skin barrier very readily and will be distributed systemically as well.
Guaiacol is a combustable compound, so be very careful when brewing this if you use an open flame as your heat source. i would suggest everyone have a good hotplate with automatic, magnetic stirring if you regularly homebrew though.
Suggested use.
Most recommend 2ml guaiacol/1g of hormone you wish to suspend. You will want to use 1-2% benzyl alcohol as a preservative along with the guaiacol if you are not using Mr.T’s premade solution. If you are using the premade super solvent there is already an antiseptic compund added, common use is 2.5ml/g of hormone in that case.
listen up newbs, DO NOT EMAIL THIS GUY ASKING HIM TO SELL SOME OF HIS “HOMEBREW”. Ok? You have been warned.
Not sure why someone would go through such lengths to make high concentrate. Why not just stick to regular home brewing methods that are stable at 350mg/ml.
I mean, if your pinning a gram a week, its not much more than the 500mg/ml.
Just my 2c.
[quote]maxx power wrote:
Not sure why someone would go through such lengths to make high concentrate. Why not just stick to regular home brewing methods that are stable at 350mg/ml.
I mean, if your pinning a gram a week, its not much more than the 500mg/ml.
Just my 2c.[/quote]
I got the guaicol to make a winstrol oil solution. If anyone wants the recipe I would be glad to post it. I was just seeing if I could make a batch of high-concentration testosterone to test the upper limits of solubility. Besides, if I make my own stuff and can pin half the amount of test, then why not. I am a fan of straight 250mg/ml though.
i know how to brew test e but my source now only has plain testosterone no esters. i wanted to know if i can brew the same way as test e and use it with same dosages if not could somone please let me know how to do a 5 gram conversion of testosterone and what dosages i should be taking thanks
[quote]homebrewed4u wrote:
i know how to brew test e but my source now only has plain testosterone no esters. i wanted to know if i can brew the same way as test e and use it with same dosages if not could somone please let me know how to do a 5 gram conversion of testosterone and what dosages i should be taking thanks[/quote]
TNE needs to be made into a water-based suspension. Google “TNE conversion” or “test base conversion.” This should get you started. There are plenty of places online to get directions for this process.
Thanks! It took a while but i finally found a recipe, here it is if anyone wants it
TNE suspention 75mg/ml
Supplies needed
1.5 Grams TNE powder
2 .22um whatman filter
1 10ml vial
1 20ml vial
2 18ga pins with 3ml plungers
1 5 ml plunger
1 10ml plunger
2 ml Benzyl Benzoate (10%)
.4 ml Benzyl Alcohol (2%)
.6 ml Polysorbate 80 (3%)
15.875 ml Distilled water
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Add your BB and PS80 to your beaker (10ml vial) with your TNE powder and heat until it is in liquid form.
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reduce heat enough to keep it liquid (med low temp on a hot plate) note: you must keep it on heat so it does not crash while filtering into the distilled water
3 Put .4 ml BA and 15.875 ml distilled water in your 20ml vile.
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Most of you will prefer to filter the BB/PS80/TNE mix which it great, but I prefer just to use a glass dropper to slowly drop it into the water 1ml at a time (BECAUSE GLASS WILL NOT MELT IN YOUR HAND) However, if you want to filter the concentrate use a .45um whatman filter and only do 1 ml at a time.
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slowly add your BB/PS80/TNE mixture to your water 1 ml at a time, and after every ml you add put the stopper on the vile and shake vigerously. REMEMBER ONE ML AT A TIME. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT
by the time you’re done it should be milky white and perfect, with this method it won’t clump or seperate to the bottom like it did with PEG. The TNE will stay milky and completely seperated and will go through a 30ga by 1/2" slin pin like pure water with no clogging and no pain at all!
I will brew once i get more bb and let you all know how it went