Getting reliable info these days is proving difficult. There’s a particular website offering an e-book on this subject, which is total crap. There are also publications out there that you need a degree in biochemistry to understand.
I’m hoping some of the veteran, or even novice, and anyone in-between home brewers can help out as far as their experience in home brewing.
What I have is 20g of test-e powder I need to turn into an injectable. I have an idea, but now have more questions than ever.
BA, BB, EO, oils, filtering, sterility, concentrations for smooth injections, and so on. Cross my arms, blink, and bada-bing! There it is…
I’m not a “vet” yet, but I’ve been brewing for about a year and a half successfully.
You need some laboratory supplies to do this properly. You will need some beakers, 250-500 ml each will do.
A glass stirring rod helps
some 3,5,10 and 20 ml syringes, with 18 and 23 ga needles.
.22 or .45 um syringe filters ( .22s clog faster)
Sealed sterile vials to hold finished product.
An accurate scale capable of measuring at least to .01g, .001g is even better.
An accurate heating source and/or digital thermocouple
20 grams test-e powder will yield 80 ml. injectable product at 250 mg per ml.
You need to know what concentration you will want and how many ml. of product you will end up with to start.
Ex: 80 ml at 250 mg/ml= 20 grams powder (20/.250 = 80 ml))
The formula I was taught is 2% BA and 20% BB and the rest is powder and oil (grapeseed is what I use, but sesame,cottonseed or others will also work)
Here’s how it works; You want to end up with 80 ml at 250 mg per, in this case. You multiply the weight of powder times it’s displacement factor, which is .75 for dry powders and .85 for wet/liquids (EQ)
20g X .75 = 15 ml
BA = 2% of 80 ml = 1.6 ml
BB = 20% of 80 ml = 16 ml
Oil = 80 - (15 + 1.6 + 16) = 47.4 ml of oil
Alrighty now, time for the fun stuff!
Take a clean/sterile beaker, measure and add the BA and BB
Weigh out and add the appropriate amount of powder
Place in heating source and set temp to 250% F or slightly less.
CLOSELY monitor temperature and stir occasionally.
After all powder has been dissolved allow to cook an additional 15 minutes while stirring occasionally.
Measure and add oil of choice grapeseed,cottonseed etc…
Continue heating/stirring until all swirling is gone
Heat another 10 minutes
Allow to cool enough to handle
Take a sealed sterile vial and insert a 23 ga needle to vent it
Attach an 18 ga needle to a syringe filter and insert it into the same vial
Draw the product up into the 20 ml syringe and inject it into the vial through the filter/needle combo
I use a cheap caulking gun to squeeze my syringe as injecting through the syringe filter can prove difficult. Just be careful not to apply too much pressure as you can rupture the filter, I’ve done it!
Well, I’m sure I’ve left something out and hopefully one of the vets will pick it up and help you out. I wrote this between sets and am a little distracted. PM me if I can add any thing for you.
Be healthy brother, Tim
I’ve already ordered everything, except a digital thermocouple. I don’t even know what that is, I’ll have to look that one up. I’ve also ordered some EO. I’ve read where the ratio of EO to oil can be 1:1.
I realize the test-e powders readily dissolve without the use of EO, but I’ve read a lot of good about it, so I’d like to try it.
I got your PMs, thanks for those as well. I’ll be in touch!
[quote]fiveoh01 wrote:
Trust me, I ran a search on brewing in this site before PMing or posting.
I don’t discount my own ineptitude, but I didn’t find squat but a couple of mentions.
Schwartzenegger touched on it in his “Painless Enanthate” thread. I had even more questions when I was done reading that one.[/quote]
This thread just got favorited. I don’t want to derail it, but would somebody mind posting a “brewing glossary?” I’m completely lost as to the acronyms that seem to be common knowledge around here, and I can’t imagine I’m the only one.
Also, seeing as this thread has not yet been deleted, if it could become a small depot of brewing information…If any of you guys could add to this thread, it would be so incredibly helpful to us little guys just starting our journeys.
I am lucky enough to be able to order from a domestic supplier legally, but I do plan on moving back to the states eventually, and I will want to have this knowledge under my belt by that time.
The brewing part seems pretty straightforward, the problem I have is with powder sources.
I am not asking any for a source, per se, but if someone could give me a little more advice on how to find my own, I sure would appreciate it.
I have read all the FAQs and related posts on this board and many others and still have not been able to find what I am looking for. …OTOH maybe I have, but everything that was easy for me to find (either powder sources or already brewed) smelled like scam.
I am working on selective recrystallization of test prop from synovex, but am quite concerned that I may not be able to ensure that I can get all of the estradiol - I am not sure that when I finish I will even have enough confidence to use it.
I know I am pretty new to this board (and to the whole anabolic scene as well), but at 51 yrs old, I don’t have the time to spend years developing a network.
Like I said, I am not asking for sources, but any other advice would be most appreciated.
Having said all those things, it puzzles me how a "noobus maximus" would dare even take the risk of having powder sent from abroad. Not only do you have the sketchy source to worry about, but if uncle sam actually "noticed" a bit of powder cruising your way, there would be serious consequences to pay. I mean it would be far too easy for them to get you on distribution for just a small amount of powder wouldn't it? Just seems like something I would't want to attempt if "trying" out a new source. Hell I'm sure there are some false fronts out there in light of RD now also. I guess if you had a very reliable and trustworthy source to give you the powder source that they use, then it would be possibly worth the risk. That however, would be no small feat in and of itself though.
Good luck to you adventurous souls out there though, it's a gas reading on how everyone does this sort of thing. Very interesting, but too risky for this guy.
ToneBone[/quote]
Well considering 20g powder will only yield 80-100ml, depending on concentration, I don’t think even in the skewed eyes of the law could that be construed as distribution.
Having said all those things, it puzzles me how a "noobus maximus" would dare even take the risk of having powder sent from abroad. Not only do you have the sketchy source to worry about, but if uncle sam actually "noticed" a bit of powder cruising your way, there would be serious consequences to pay. I mean it would be far too easy for them to get you on distribution for just a small amount of powder wouldn't it? Just seems like something I would't want to attempt if "trying" out a new source. Hell I'm sure there are some false fronts out there in light of RD now also. I guess if you had a very reliable and trustworthy source to give you the powder source that they use, then it would be possibly worth the risk. That however, would be no small feat in and of itself though.
Good luck to you adventurous souls out there though, it's a gas reading on how everyone does this sort of thing. Very interesting, but too risky for this guy.
ToneBone
Well considering 20g powder will only yield 80-100ml, depending on concentration, I don’t think even in the skewed eyes of the law could that be construed as distribution.
Is that something you can purchase at that size anytime? I was under the impression that the usual powder sources would want much more purchased before sending out.
I wasn't referring to you specifically 5.0, just the general public looking to score powder and process it that's all. Again, I thought you couldn't score that small of an amount of powder at a time. Guess I was wrong.
TBN[/quote]
Some general sources also sell small amounts of powders ( probably to avoid the above mentioned problems ). But the prices aren’t near as good as bulk, but still a little better than market prices once its all said and done.