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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]chobbs wrote:
A little off topic, but…Does anyone think it is out of the question for the government to slowly poison everyday materials that we are basically forced to use (toothpaste, deodorant, in this case school lunches)? It’s somewhat crazy but there’s no way in hell I’m taking anything free from the government, let alone something free that they inject me with (flu shots).[/quote]

It’s a bit tin foil hatish…What would they gain by poisoning the populace?
And, what would the lose if the populace found out? [/quote]

A sick population needs medication, and this country is hell bent on making sure almost any problem can be solved by popping a pill, rather than changing behavior.

Kind of interesting how both Food and Drug (Pharma) are linked together with the FDA. Big Pharma makes billions who can then contribute to campaigns of politicians friendly to their cause.

“According to a report by the Center for Public Integrity, congressmen are outnumbered two to one by lobbyists for an industry that spends roughly $100 million a year in campaign contributions and lobbying expenses to protect its profits.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-2625305.html

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
BUT when I take my kids in for an annual physical, I am asked the following questions - This is verbal, from the nurse checking us in.

Do you have a gun at home?

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These are required questions on ACA-required intake forms.

I strongly advise lying when asked these questions, if you are a gun owner.
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ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE:

Is this your legal advise?

Now all my posts here on T-Nation are covered under Attorney Client Privilege.
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No it’s my advice from a guy whose family was suddenly asked probing religious questions in a 1933 census in Germany when they used to just count the people and get names and ages.
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I know.
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Thanks for the information Jewbacca. Nice to see you.

I find these questions pretty intrusive, from the “We’re here to decide if you are a good parent” standpoint. Someone earlier asked why people are so angry. I’d say anger isn’t the problem, it’s apathy.

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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
BUT when I take my kids in for an annual physical, I am asked the following questions - This is verbal, from the nurse checking us in.

Do you have a gun at home?

[/quote]

These are required questions on ACA-required intake forms.

I strongly advise lying when asked these questions, if you are a gun owner.
[/quote]

ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE:

Is this your legal advise?

Now all my posts here on T-Nation are covered under Attorney Client Privilege.
[/quote]

No it’s my advice from a guy whose family was suddenly asked probing religious questions in a 1933 census in Germany when they used to just count the people and get names and ages.
[/quote]

I know.
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Thanks for the information Jewbacca. Nice to see you.

I find these questions pretty intrusive, from the “We here to decide if you are a good parent” standpoint. Someone earlier asked why people are so angry. I’d say anger isn’t the problem, it’s apathy.
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Absolutely agree. Apathy is their best friend. It’s anger and outrage followed by action that they fear. And they should fear it. They should be at our mercy not the other way around.

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[quote]chobbs wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]chobbs wrote:
A little off topic, but…Does anyone think it is out of the question for the government to slowly poison everyday materials that we are basically forced to use (toothpaste, deodorant, in this case school lunches)? It’s somewhat crazy but there’s no way in hell I’m taking anything free from the government, let alone something free that they inject me with (flu shots).[/quote]

It’s a bit tin foil hatish…What would they gain by poisoning the populace?
And, what would the lose if the populace found out? [/quote]
More people getting disease/cancer…less social security money they have to pay out bc these people might die before the age [/quote]

If I’m not mistaken population growth in the U.S. has stalled and might even be in decline. So if they wanted to posion school every day materials to reduce social security payment output, they’re a few decades late. Baby Boomers are getting to that age now. Plus the reduction in social security cost would be replaced by increased healthcare costs, both footed by tax payers.

The Gov needs healthy workers to pay for baby boomer social security.

Plus if life expectancy suddenly dropped, what, 5 or so years, I think some questions would be asked.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]chobbs wrote:
A little off topic, but…Does anyone think it is out of the question for the government to slowly poison everyday materials that we are basically forced to use (toothpaste, deodorant, in this case school lunches)? It’s somewhat crazy but there’s no way in hell I’m taking anything free from the government, let alone something free that they inject me with (flu shots).[/quote]

It’s a bit tin foil hatish…What would they gain by poisoning the populace?
And, what would the lose if the populace found out? [/quote]

A sick population needs medication, and this country is hell bent on making sure almost any problem can be solved by popping a pill, rather than changing behavior.

Kind of interesting how both Food and Drug (Pharma) are linked together with the FDA. Big Pharma makes billions who can then contribute to campaigns of politicians friendly to their cause.

“According to a report by the Center for Public Integrity, congressmen are outnumbered two to one by lobbyists for an industry that spends roughly $100 million a year in campaign contributions and lobbying expenses to protect its profits.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-2625305.html [/quote]

You can’t posion the entire population. You need soome poor suckers to work and pay for the ACA, social security, etc…

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[quote]chobbs wrote:
A little off topic, but…Does anyone think it is out of the question for the government to slowly poison everyday materials that we are basically forced to use (toothpaste, deodorant, in this case school lunches)? It’s somewhat crazy but there’s no way in hell I’m taking anything free from the government, let alone something free that they inject me with (flu shots).[/quote]
Americans have been very successful at poisoning themselves. Why poison toothpaste when we have McDonald’s?

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]chobbs wrote:
A little off topic, but…Does anyone think it is out of the question for the government to slowly poison everyday materials that we are basically forced to use (toothpaste, deodorant, in this case school lunches)? It’s somewhat crazy but there’s no way in hell I’m taking anything free from the government, let alone something free that they inject me with (flu shots).[/quote]
Americans have been very successful at poisoning themselves. Why poison toothpaste when we have McDonald’s? [/quote]

Lol, true.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
No it’s my advice from a guy whose family was suddenly asked probing religious questions in a 1933 census in Germany when they used to just count the people and get names and ages.
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While I don’t think the questions mentioned above need to be asked, or should be asked, I find this allusion to be more than a little theatrical. Once everything becomes a step in the direction of pogrom, the notion of pogrom itself begins to lose its teeth. How many alleged Chamberlains are going to come and go without having allowed the rise of a global tyrant?

How many Hitler comparisons are going to be made before people realize that none of the accused turned out to be remotely like Adolf Hitler? Does a doctor asking about guns in a house–undoubtedly so that he can then deliver a short lecture on the importance of gun safety–really merit this kind of histrionic rhetoric?

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
No it’s my advice from a guy whose family was suddenly asked probing religious questions in a 1933 census in Germany when they used to just count the people and get names and ages.
[/quote]

While I don’t think the questions mentioned above need to be asked, or should be asked, I find this allusion to be more than a little theatrical. Once everything becomes a step in the direction of pogrom, the notion of pogrom itself begins to lose its teeth. How many alleged Chamberlains are going to come and go without having allowed the rise of a global tyrant? How many Hitler comparisons are going to be made before people realize that none of the accused turned out to be remotely like Adolf Hitler? Does a doctor asking about guns in a house–undoubtedly so that he can then deliver a short lecture on the importance of gun safety–really merit this kind of histrionic rhetoric?[/quote]

Godwin’s law. And absolutely agree with you s.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
No it’s my advice from a guy whose family was suddenly asked probing religious questions in a 1933 census in Germany when they used to just count the people and get names and ages.
[/quote]

While I don’t think the questions mentioned above need to be asked, or should be asked, I find this allusion to be more than a little theatrical. Once everything becomes a step in the direction of pogrom, the notion of pogrom itself begins to lose its teeth. How many alleged Chamberlains are going to come and go without having allowed the rise of a global tyrant? How many Hitler comparisons are going to be made before people realize that none of the accused turned out to be remotely like Adolf Hitler? Does a doctor asking about guns in a house–undoubtedly so that he can then deliver a short lecture on the importance of gun safety–really merit this kind of histrionic rhetoric?[/quote]

Godwin’s law. And absolutely agree with you s.
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Wow, I had never come across that before. It’s very true.

Honestly, I’m not saying that the point that’s intended to be made isn’t relevant or valid. I’m saying that people need to slow themselves with the Nazi thing. All it does is cheapen the reality. You know who deserves to be compared with Adolf Hitler in today’s world? Kim Jong-Un. And North Korea deserves to be compared with Nazi Germany, and Stalinist Russia.

But posting pictures, to take an actual example, of Nazis in threads about whether or not college students should be allowed to have guns in their dorm rooms? This is an act of needless dilution.

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
No it’s my advice from a guy whose family was suddenly asked probing religious questions in a 1933 census in Germany when they used to just count the people and get names and ages.
[/quote]

While I don’t think the questions mentioned above need to be asked, or should be asked, I find this allusion to be more than a little theatrical. Once everything becomes a step in the direction of pogrom, the notion of pogrom itself begins to lose its teeth. How many alleged Chamberlains are going to come and go without having allowed the rise of a global tyrant? How many Hitler comparisons are going to be made before people realize that none of the accused turned out to be remotely like Adolf Hitler? Does a doctor asking about guns in a house–undoubtedly so that he can then deliver a short lecture on the importance of gun safety–really merit this kind of histrionic rhetoric?[/quote]

Godwin’s law. And absolutely agree with you s.
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Wow, I had never come across that before. It’s very true.

Honestly, I’m not saying that the point that’s intended to be made isn’t relevant or valid. I’m saying that people need to slow themselves with the Nazi thing. All it does is cheapen the reality. You know who deserves to be compared with Adolf Hitler in today’s world? Kim Jong-Un. And North Korea deserves to be compared with Nazi Germany, and Stalinist Russia.

But posting pictures, to take an actual example, of Nazis in threads about whether or not college students should be allowed to have guns in their dorm rooms? This is an act of needless dilution.[/quote]

I just think well sounds like when Hitler did…is a lazy form of arguing.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
No it’s my advice from a guy whose family was suddenly asked probing religious questions in a 1933 census in Germany when they used to just count the people and get names and ages.
[/quote]

While I don’t think the questions mentioned above need to be asked, or should be asked, I find this allusion to be more than a little theatrical. Once everything becomes a step in the direction of pogrom, the notion of pogrom itself begins to lose its teeth. How many alleged Chamberlains are going to come and go without having allowed the rise of a global tyrant? How many Hitler comparisons are going to be made before people realize that none of the accused turned out to be remotely like Adolf Hitler? Does a doctor asking about guns in a house–undoubtedly so that he can then deliver a short lecture on the importance of gun safety–really merit this kind of histrionic rhetoric?[/quote]

Godwin’s law. And absolutely agree with you s.
[/quote]

Wow, I had never come across that before. It’s very true.

Honestly, I’m not saying that the point that’s intended to be made isn’t relevant or valid. I’m saying that people need to slow themselves with the Nazi thing. All it does is cheapen the reality. You know who deserves to be compared with Adolf Hitler in today’s world? Kim Jong-Un. And North Korea deserves to be compared with Nazi Germany, and Stalinist Russia.

But posting pictures, to take an actual example, of Nazis in threads about whether or not college students should be allowed to have guns in their dorm rooms? This is an act of needless dilution.[/quote]

I just think well sounds like when Hitler did…is a lazy form of arguing. [/quote]

Definitely. But the pieces are being put together where if the right people are put into control, they could utilize it in a similar manner. All they need is opportunity, rationalization, and incentive. Whether that happens in my lifetime or a future lifetime, why hand it to them on a silver platter? What good do these questions do for the world right now? Is it really worth that risk?

I don’t believe so.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
No it’s my advice from a guy whose family was suddenly asked probing religious questions in a 1933 census in Germany when they used to just count the people and get names and ages.
[/quote]

While I don’t think the questions mentioned above need to be asked, or should be asked, I find this allusion to be more than a little theatrical. Once everything becomes a step in the direction of pogrom, the notion of pogrom itself begins to lose its teeth. How many alleged Chamberlains are going to come and go without having allowed the rise of a global tyrant?

How many Hitler comparisons are going to be made before people realize that none of the accused turned out to be remotely like Adolf Hitler? Does a doctor asking about guns in a house–undoubtedly so that he can then deliver a short lecture on the importance of gun safety–really merit this kind of histrionic rhetoric?[/quote]

Stepping stones are not always intentionally placed.
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This is true Push, but if every action gets equated to something that Hitler did or might do then the phrase will have completely lost it’s meaning when discussing something serious. Things can be examined without the blatant hyperbole of comparing everything to the Nazi’s. I bet if you counted up the number of Hitleresque accusations on this board the numbers would be huge.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
No it’s my advice from a guy whose family was suddenly asked probing religious questions in a 1933 census in Germany when they used to just count the people and get names and ages.
[/quote]

While I don’t think the questions mentioned above need to be asked, or should be asked, I find this allusion to be more than a little theatrical. Once everything becomes a step in the direction of pogrom, the notion of pogrom itself begins to lose its teeth. How many alleged Chamberlains are going to come and go without having allowed the rise of a global tyrant?

How many Hitler comparisons are going to be made before people realize that none of the accused turned out to be remotely like Adolf Hitler? Does a doctor asking about guns in a house–undoubtedly so that he can then deliver a short lecture on the importance of gun safety–really merit this kind of histrionic rhetoric?[/quote]

Stepping stones are not always intentionally placed.
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Perhaps not, but the ones referenced were, which makes the reference highly disingenuous, barring the possibility that its maker has some sort of information the rest of us aren’t privy to, which he doesn’t.

And it’s highly, highly, and I mean highly unlikely that that allusion will end up being warranted anyway. I say this not just because of the thing in itself–though it is because of that–but also because, in my educated estimate, 350,000 American events, people, and policies are linked with the rise of the Third Reich in any given year. And none of them pan out: Not a single one.

Which is not to say that life is great and guaranteed to remain so. But do we really have to accept melodrama to the extent that we start referencing the holocaust when we talk about doctors telling parents to keep their guns locked up, or guns in dorm rooms?

You know who drummed up histrionic fear?

Hitler did.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
No it’s my advice from a guy whose family was suddenly asked probing religious questions in a 1933 census in Germany when they used to just count the people and get names and ages.
[/quote]

While I don’t think the questions mentioned above need to be asked, or should be asked, I find this allusion to be more than a little theatrical. Once everything becomes a step in the direction of pogrom, the notion of pogrom itself begins to lose its teeth. How many alleged Chamberlains are going to come and go without having allowed the rise of a global tyrant?

How many Hitler comparisons are going to be made before people realize that none of the accused turned out to be remotely like Adolf Hitler? Does a doctor asking about guns in a house–undoubtedly so that he can then deliver a short lecture on the importance of gun safety–really merit this kind of histrionic rhetoric?[/quote]

Stepping stones are not always intentionally placed.
[/quote]

This is true Push, but if every action gets equated to something that Hitler did or might do then the phrase will have completely lost it’s meaning when discussing something serious. Things can be examined without the blatant hyperbole of comparing everything to the Nazi’s. I bet if you counted up the number of Hitleresque accusations on this board the numbers would be huge. [/quote]

Perhaps if you had family members go through that time like Jewbacca did, you might be more prone to keep it fresh in your mind…no?

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I’m all for subsidizing improvement but not stupidity. [/quote]

Who get’s to draw the line?

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The eternal question…advocates of more subsidies would insist that the government knows the best way to spend the resources.

And that scares the shit out of me.

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They know the best way to spend resources to support their causes lol. Those causes may be altruistic, but most likely is simply the result of lobbying and misguided thoughts.

Isn’t it funny most heads of various regulator entities are former CEO’s of companies? Yeah, because those people know what’s best for the population. [/quote]

I would have rather had a private syndicate in charge of the Obamacare website…government overspends and underperforms on most large tasks.

Private industries are greedy as well, but the government feeds the machine.[/quote]

I agree. There’s no incentive for Government employees to perform the best they can. I can go on for days of why that is from my personal experience in auditing multiple government entities. It’s TERRIBLE.

At least with Private industry, you get what you expect. A greedy, well oiled machine who will most likely get tossed out like yesterday’s garbage if they fail.
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While i think introducing private enterprise to compete with the Gov. is a good thing . I think it is a misnomer to say that private enterprise (especially Large Scale) is better than GOV.

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Private enterprise, as a whole, is better at producing more value from inputs than GOV. It’s just fact. They have to be better at producing value otherwise a private business shuts down. GOV doesn’t have to do shit which gets proven year after year.

Whether private enterprise or GOV is inherently better than the other, that’s a whole different discussion which would most likely turn out to be a discussion on what “better” means and ultimately, it would depend on the situation. Definitely a rabbit hole I’m not prepared to go down at this point.[/quote]

There are at least in AZ some charter schools competing head to head with public schools . In many cases especially when it comes to no more than tax dollars the charters are turning out to be inferior

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That’s interesting…Charter schools are killing it here.

Do you have a link about the situation in AZ I could read?[/quote]

Find that link yet Pitt?

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

Perhaps if you had family members go through that time like Jewbacca did, you might be more prone to keep it fresh in your mind…no?[/quote]

When the personal comes up, things get touchy, but a similar argument could be made that if one had had family members that had gone through such an ordeal, one would be even more reluctant to toss the comparison around just anywhere. I know descendants of survivors who feel strongly this way. Everyone is entitled to their view of the matter of course.

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:
But do we really have to accept melodrama to the extent that we start referencing the holocaust when we talk about doctors telling parents to keep their guns locked up, or guns in dorm rooms?

You know who drummed up histrionic fear?

Hitler did.[/quote]